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[Drifters]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

 

[massoluk]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

I... wut..

 

[JustenP88]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

I'm more worried about her being derailed after getting the nomination.

 

[marrec]

I... wut..

Probably some nonsense about e-mail or Benghazi.

 

[BertramCooper]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

Yes, those intellectual heavyweights named Trey Gowdy and Jim Jordan are totally going to take down the Clinton machine.

 

[Pastry]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

lol We comparing Clinton to Trump now?

 

[Drifters]

I'm more worried about her being derailed after getting the nomination.

That would be just as entertaining actually. I suppose we can hope for that given the size of our popcorn bins we're all eating from during this 2016 season.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

You severely underestimate how effective the "Grr! Socialism!" argument will be during the general election.

It will be a far more effective cudgel against Bernie than Benghazi or the email stuff will ever be against Hillary.

The sad truth of the matter is that the general election will basically be decided by the public's perception of one of these topics. If Bernie's the nominee- the election will wind up becoming a battle over the perception of socialism. Unfortunately for Bernie, conservatives and the right-wing media have already spent years successfully branding the term (all while misrepresenting what socialism actually is) as a form of Satanism.

The same goes for Hillary. Benghazi has already been hung around her neck and that horse has been beaten for years already. The email "scandal" is headed in the same direction.

The dems have built in advantages thanks to the make-up of the electoral map, but, as ever, they still collectively suck at the messaging part of the process.

 

[SliceSabre]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

You forgot to scream Benghazi several times.

 

[Anton Sugar]

#feelthebern isn't his official campaign slogan, is it?

 

[Drifters]

You forgot to scream Benghazi several times.

Don't have to. People already have ringing in their head when it comes to the e-mail server "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE..."

See?

 

[marrec]

The sad truth of the matter is that the general election will basically be decided by the public's perception of one of these topics. If Bernie's the nominee- the election will wind up becoming a battle over the perception of socialism. Unfortunately for Bernie, conservatives and the right-wing media have already spent years successfully branding the term (all while misrepresenting what socialism actually is) as a form of Satanism.

The same goes for Hillary. Benghazi has already been hung around her neck and that horse has been beaten for years already. The email "scandal" is headed in the same direction.

The dems have built in advantages thanks to the make-up of the electoral map, but, as ever, they still collectively suck at the messaging part of the process.

It's a good thing for Hillary that neither "scandal" has amounted to any more than Republicans stamping their feet and yelling about it being a scandal despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

Benghazi is a joke now, and the e-mail server is slowly unraveling to become almost as completely overblown.

 

[ErasureAcer]

This. It's impressive that Clinton is polling so well, when so much of her faults are already so public. People know about Benghazi and they know about her email usage, and she's still polling high.

Most people have no idea who Sanders is and the fact that he labels himself as socialist hasn't had a chance to really affect his polling yet (but it most likely will, very badly).

Socialism: Medicare, Social Security, progressive taxes that take from the rich to give to the poor.

This is the stupidest argument ever. Bernie's a socialist. Who gives a shit? It's easily countered: If you don't like Socialism then don't take Medicare, Social Security, and see your own taxes go up because "flat tax"...rich are paying less, you're paying more.

The Bernie socialist tag is a positive once people even know what socialism is which can be easily showed to people with real world examples.

 

[Drakeon]

Well given the fact that Clinton is going to get derailed in October when she testifies again about lying under oath (a favorite Clinton past time...) I say hand the torch to Bernie now and be done with it. She is as delusional as Donald Trump if she thinks she will get the nomination.

Ohwaityou'reserious.gif

It's a true believer in Benghazi, I didn't think I'd get to see one in the wild.

 

[JustenP88]

It's funny to see the feathers ruffle when people who are eager to use tired Republican talking points against Bernie hear tired Republican talking points used against Hillary.

 

[Slayven]

It's a good thing for Hillary that neither "scandal" has amounted to any more than Republicans stamping their feet and yelling about it being a scandal despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

Benghazi is a joke now, and the e-mail server is slowly unraveling to become almost as completely overblown.

but Marrc Clintion sent nuclear codes through her @lycos.com free email account

 

[JDSN]

Thread title reads like it was made by an asshole that has a big forum signature with an anime girl and crimson letters describing his computer specs.

 

[JJDubz]

All I want is a complete lack of personal attacks on the democrat side. Just don't join the circus. I'm supporting Bernie through it all, but understand how much of the country has an ancient view of socialist policy.

 

[marrec]

It's funny to see the feathers ruffle when people who are eager to use tired Republican talking points against Bernie hear tired Republican talking points used against Hillary.

The Republican talking points that would be used against Bernie are statistically proven to be something that concerns the majority of Americans. Benghazi is an SNL skit at this point.

but Marrc Clintion sent nuclear codes through her @lycos.com free email account

The real news story here would be that Lycos still has e-mail servers.

 

[JustenP88]

Thread title reads like it was made by an asshole that has a big forum signature with an anime girl and crimson letters describing his computer specs.

I think the thread title was changed by a mod...

The Republican talking points that would be used against Bernie are statistically proven to be something that concerns the majority of Americans. Benghazi is an SNL skit at this point.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-benghazi-getting-worse-for-hillary-clinton/article/2561471

For the record, I don't give a shit about Benghazi.

 

[Drifters]

It's a good thing for Hillary that neither "scandal" has amounted to any more than Republicans stamping their feet and yelling about it being a scandal despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

Benghazi is a joke now, and the e-mail server is slowly unraveling to become almost as completely overblown.

So, not to derail, but how is using a private e-mail server and private e-mail address something that a national representative should even think about doing in the 21st century? If I got elected to a public office position tomorrow, do you honestly think it would fly if I said "No thanks, I don't want to use that e-mail address, I have my own thx."

Doubtful. I've worked in IT/Security now close to 12 years and any one of the companies I've worked out, if we had a CEO using a "private" e-mail server to discuss public or private things unbeknownst to the company is completely laughable. If you truly think the e-mail server is something that is overblown then you're doing a great job of enabling her to do whatever the hell she wants which is precisely how she operates anyways.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

It's a good thing for Hillary that neither "scandal" has amounted to any more than Republicans stamping their feet and yelling about it being a scandal despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

Benghazi is a joke now, and the e-mail server is slowly unraveling to become almost as completely overblown.

Both topics continue to help motivate their base, but you're right- it probably won't hold much weight with independents.

 

[acheron_xl]

It's a good thing for Hillary that neither "scandal" has amounted to any more than Republicans stamping their feet and yelling about it being a scandal despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

Benghazi is a joke now, and the e-mail server is slowly unraveling to become almost as completely overblown.

I think Nate Silver put it well:

Clinton’s email and “value over replacement scandal”

Aren’t Clinton’s polling numbers suffering as a result of the scandal surrounding her use of email while secretary of state? It’s certainly possible, but it’s hard to determine cause and effect. There hasn’t been the sudden change in ratings you see around historical scandals like Iran-Contra; instead, her favorability ratings have been declining at a steady but relatively slow pace for a long time.

If you squint, you can perceive some acceleration in the downtrend in March, when details of the email scandal were first reported. But there were a lot of other things going on this spring too — notably, Clinton was in the midst of launching her campaign. And while Clinton has seen a decline in her polling in areas such as honesty and trustworthiness — consistent with the hypothesis that the scandal is affecting her numbers — she’s also seen a decline in categories like “cares about people like you,” which would speak to a broader set of challenges.

The reason I’m skeptical that the email scandal is the cause of Clinton’s problems is because it’s not as though she entered the race with a squeaky-clean reputation. Instead, given how long the Clintons have been in public life and their reputation for playing at the edges of the rules, it might take a fairly bad scandal to capture the public’s imagination and produce much “value over replacement scandal.” Search Google Trends for “Clinton scandal”1 and you’ll find a spikes of public interest around an actual or alleged scandal involving the Clintons once or twice per election cycle; the current one does not particularly stand out.

 

[Slayven]

The Republican talking points that would be used against Bernie are statistically proven to be something that concerns the majority of Americans. Benghazi is an SNL skit at this point.



The real news story here would be that Lycos still has e-mail servers.

http://www.mail.lycos.com/

 

[danwarb]

Its so strange, because if you speak to majority of people or read through any form of government social media you get nothing but hate for the Tories yet they managed to get the majority vote.

I personally think that the problem is the middle/higher classes are the ones who voted Tory while the lower class either voted against them or didnt vote at all since they are so disillusioned with the whole system.

People may hate him but Russell Brand really does have some great points when it comes to trying to get people more involved and aware of the issues that affect their community and to try and combat it themselves. People need to be taught that standing by and either assuming that you will get screwed either way or that someone else will sort the problem out wont work and you need to not only help out yourself but also vote against parties like the Tories.

Im hoping that we might start to get people willing to take a chance on more radical parties like the Greens, yeah they may not have the experience as other parties but its clear that all we are going to get from the major parties is more and more hurt and sacrifice. Hopefully Sanders does well in America as he seems like a great start to re-educating people on what an actual alternative is and to wake them up to the fact that most other politicians are just corporate tools who only care about themselves and their friends.

#jezwecan

Our Sanders. Unfortunately both major parties are right wing parties now. It was old people who voted Tory. There were big swings to Labour among the younger demographics, but also much lower turnout.

 

[Chariot]

Thread title reads like it was made by an asshole that has a big forum signature with an anime girl and crimson letters describing his computer specs.

What the fuck is this now?

 

[dramatis]

The Democrats will get behind him when he secures the nomination, rest assured. Hillary had the money back in 2008, a hell of a lot more than Obama, and got obliterated.

Jesus fucking christ it's like you people pretend previous elections never happened.

Who's the one who pretended the previous elections never happened?

Study up on 2008 before trying to compare Bernie to Obama.

The Bernie socialist tag is a positive once people even know what socialism is which can be easily showed to people with real world examples.

It looks like you also need a history lesson. Healthcare reform 2010, you make it seem like people were too dumb to make the arguments you made. They did make those arguments. Didn't work. Good luck in your department.

 

[phaonaut]

http://www.mail.lycos.com/

Lycos makes hardware...lol

Slayven what have you done, I shouldn't know this exists.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

I think Nate Silver put it well:

The Republicans have yet to run an actual campaign pointing this shit out though, when it comes time you know they have this bullet in the chamber. 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi is coming out in January, which will certainly kick things off though.

 

[JDSN]

I think the thread title was changed by a mod...

Hahaha I know

 

[Slayven]

http://i.imgur.com/SM1XaM9.png[/IMG[/URL]

Lycos makes hardware...lol

Slayven what have you done, I shouldn't know this exists.[/QUOTE]

I am legit shook too, but hey anything to keep the lights on. Makes me wonder about other old web haunts.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I honestly don't understand any particular reason why people like Sanders.

He's a career politician with triple the time in politics that Clinton has, he has 95% of the same opinions and voting record Clinton does, and most of the ideas he has that separate him from Clinton don't make any sense if you think about them beyond a slogan, e.g. "let's break up the banks!" (try thinking about the logistics of that and whether that would actually be a net benefit)

In the Vox Interview, they get into it a bit, and it seems Bernie, without saying it, is concerned that Hilary won't fight the financial interests, just like Obama; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA



And I think most of us would logically assume the same. Almost 1 Billion Dollars. These elctions are bought and paid for, which is not surprising. Politicians buy elections all the time. Bernie is running without that, and I think that is why people are resonating with him.

I think people truly believed that Obama wanted to make everything he said real, but have come to realization that he himself also cannot do much when he is tied by corporate interests who also funded him with a billion dollars.
But look at how much good Obama has done here in his second term when his time is almost up and doesn't have to think about a re-election. Second term Obama is so much better than first term.

 

[BertramCooper]

The Republicans have yet to run an actual campaign pointing this shit out though, when it comes time you know they have this bullet in the chamber. 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi is coming out in January, which will certainly kick things off though.

And it will be about as effective as those Dinesh D'Souza movies about Obama.

 

[Kaydan]

To my US friends, please do yourselves a favor and elect Bernie Sanders.

You guys know what is even stronger than a socialist label? An anti-corruption label. And Bernie Sanders is waving that flag very high right now.

 

[marrec]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-benghazi-getting-worse-for-hillary-clinton/article/2561471

For the record, I don't give a shit about Benghazi.

That's a Rasmussen Poll from 5 months ago. :-/

So, not to derail, but how is using a private e-mail server and private e-mail address something that a national representative should even think about doing in the 21st century? If I got elected to a public office position tomorrow, do you honestly think it would fly if I said "No thanks, I don't want to use that e-mail address, I have my own thx."

Doubtful. I've worked in IT/Security now close to 12 years and any one of the companies I've worked out, if we had a CEO using a "private" e-mail server to discuss public or private things unbeknownst to the company is completely laughable. If you truly think the e-mail server is something that is overblown then you're doing a great job of enabling her to do whatever the hell she wants which is precisely how she operates anyways.

It probably wasn't her smartest idea but as far as political scandals go it's dead in the water because the Republicans are going to have a very hard time making anyone care about the intricacies of it... and that's even if there is some damning evidence to show that her using a private server in any way endangered US security interests.

http://www.mail.lycos.com/

STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES

 

[Kinyou]

All I want is a complete lack of personal attacks on the democrat side. Just don't join the circus. I'm supporting Bernie through it all, but understand how much of the country has an ancient view of socialist policy.

Sanders already said he wont do that. Hope Hillary does the same. Fighting in the primaries usually just helps the opposition.

http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell/sanders-i-wont-wage-personal-attacks-hillary-clinton

Thread title reads like it was made by an asshole that has a big forum signature with an anime girl and crimson letters describing his computer specs.

um, ok?

 

[Orbis Tabula]

A lot of gaffers don't like Bernie. If they did they wouldn't be peddling this I like Bernie but Clinton is more electable drivel.

It's like talking to Republicans who have a black friend so that excuses anything at a national level they don't want to see.

What? Is your position that you can't simultaneously like someone and think they have a lesser chance of winning am election? That saying "X is less likely than Y" means that I don't like X? Do you realize how loony that logic is?

I like my dad. He's the best. He has less of a chance of being president than Clinton. That seems pretty obvious. But substitute in Bernie's name instead of my dad and suddenly it's because I'm a Bernie hater.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

And it will be about as effective as those Dinesh D'Souza movies about Obama.

Comparing Dinesh D'Souza, a rando convicted felon, to Michael Bay, a massive boxoffice draw?

Baaaaahaha. Hillary's fucked. Sorry.

 

[soundahfekz]

And Hillary isn't? She's only 6 years younger. He isn't going to die of old age after two weeks.

6 years is a world of difference. She'd be younger than bernie is now at the start of her second term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_age

He will not be the democratic candidate, though the attention his campaign and policies are getting will force Hillary to shift further left, which is a good thing.

 

[Abounder]

Not surprised. Hillary is both unlikable and more of the same as far as candidates go. USA needs real change, feel the Bern.

Those emails is like death by a thousand paper cuts. Simply not what a Clinton needs

 

[Drifters]

That's a Rasmussen Poll from 5 months ago. :-/



It probably wasn't her smartest idea but as far as political scandals go it's dead in the water because the Republicans are going to have a very hard time making anyone care about the intricacies of it... and that's even if there is some damning evidence to show that her using a private server in any way endangered US security interests.



STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES

So wait a minute, the scandal (which at this point, really isn't a scandal, it's a witchhunt) is dead in the water because "details"? That's an interesting view.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Sorry, but I think the US isn't ready for someone as "left" as Bernie right now. Getting Bernie in NOW is probably a recipe for a disaster AKA losing the presidency.

I think after Hillary, then it's time for someone with as much moxie and enthusiasm as Bernie, but right now there's still too many people that aren't ready to lean that far left.

Losing the presidency is the biggest reason why I don't want Bernie to win at this given time. I mean, I don't want SCOTUS to be filled again with another Scalia, and I want the baby steps to continue towards fufilling a few of Obama's ambitions which he's left with Hillary.

However, if the first term of presidency, the "fears" are real and Hilary apparently acts like a Republican or something, then everyone will react and probably vote against her. I'd rather give her a chance first.

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

I think the debate in October will really help Bernie, after that the polls will start to matter more.

 

[Grexeno]

The Bernie socialist tag is a positive once people even know what socialism is which can be easily showed to people with real world examples.

 

[BertramCooper]

Comparing Dinesh D'Souza, a rando convicted felon, to Michael Bay, a massive boxoffice draw?

Baaaaahaha. Hillary's fucked. Sorry.

I can't believe supposed LIBERALS are now gleefully yelling, "BENGHAZI!"

Do you realize how fucking crazy that is?

 

[danwarb]

Sorry, but I think the US isn't ready for someone as "left" as Bernie right now. Getting Bernie in NOW is probably a recipe for a disaster AKA losing the presidency.

I think after Hillary, then it's time for someone with as much moxie and enthusiasm as Bernie, but right now there's still too many people that aren't ready to lean that far left.

Losing the presidency is the biggest reason why I don't want Bernie to win at this given time. I mean, I don't want SCOTUS to be filled again with another Scalia, and I want the baby steps to continue towards fufilling a few of Obama's ambitions which he's left with Hillary.

However, if the first term of presidency, the "fears" are real and Hilary apparently acts like a Republican or something, then everyone will react and probably vote against her. I'd rather give her a chance first.

If Trump wins the Republican nomination, now would be the perfect time for Bernie Sanders. Does Trump have any backers or policies outside of himself and the great insight he gets by watching Fox News?

Sanders could bring back sanity and compassion.

 

[params7]

Sorry, but I think the US isn't ready for someone as "left" as Bernie right now. Getting Bernie in NOW is probably a recipe for a disaster AKA losing the presidency.

I think after Hillary, then it's time for someone with as much moxie and enthusiasm as Bernie, but right now there's still too many people that aren't ready to lean that far left.

Completely agree.

Another factor is the automation age. The closer we get to it, the more people might begin to see a socialist with a more accepting angle. I don't know if Bernie will still be up for the job in 8 years though.

 

[Grexeno]

If Trump wins the Republican nomination, now would be the perfect time for Bernie Sanders. Does Trump have any backers or policies outside of himself and great insight he gets by watching Fox News?

Sanders could bring back sanity and compassion.

Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump in the general is literally a coin flip.

 

[Anoregon]

The Bernie socialist tag is a positive once people even know what socialism is which can be easily showed to people with real world examples.

I wish I lived in your world. It is better than this one.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

If Bernie is such a socialist, why is his wife overweight?