SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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shocky2002 said:
He also called the character customization thing at the beginning before the boot campers revealed it 3 days ago.

And the Paz sequence where Venom sees her at MB and has the flashback of the chopper scene, where there is clearly 2 versions of Big Boss. This is revealed to be true in the guide.


I think he indeed saw a lot of the footage and made shit up like Venom being an entirely new clone that is 9 years old. Venom's definitely the Medic, unless Kojima triple rused us.
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The customization thing was known a long time ago, which really fueled the double Big Boss theory.
 
NeoGiff said:
I don't get whatever reference that is. Don't spoil me by saying what it's from, but could you explain what you mean?
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It's the ending to a TV show from the 80s. In the last episode, it's implied that the entire series was just the imagination of some kid.
 
The Silver said:
Zero turns into a vegetable
Miller gets killed in the middle of nowhere by Liquid
EVA worked herself into a shoot over Solidus and killed herself
SIGINT gets tortured to death
Paramedic gets killed in some lab by Gray Fox
Big Boss dies in a graveyard
Ocelot fist fights Solid Snake on top of Haven


Ocelot won in the end I say.
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First off, Skullface WON to the first point. If the spoiler is true I have a really hard time believing any of the Patriots are dead.

How do we know Miller is dead? If Big Boss can fake his death three times (Once in Ground Zeroes/TPP, Once in Metal Gear, once in MGSV) then Miller can survive a killing. Besides he trained and fought through wars with Big Boss so no way in shit does Liquid kill him.

Signit isn't dead either because of his status as father of the AIs. This is all conspiracy theory bullshit designed to make us believe he's dead. His access to classified intel means he knew Decoy Octopus was there and probably sent in a body double.

The nanomachines Naomi placed in Vamp give me cause to believe Para-Medic is alive. Maybe the prototype version allowed her to resurrect once.

Ocelot is
The Boss' son
so of course he lasted til the end. <-- Spoiler tagging because there's one person in here who hasn't played any of the MGS games.

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How do we play missions without Mother Base if the ending is not final and there are more missions?
 
Forkball said:
It's the ending to a TV show from the 80s. In the last episode, it's implied that the entire series was just the imagination of some kid.
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It ends
with Kojima waking up from his bed in cold sweat thinking it was a nightmare. David Hayter comes out of the shower and tells him it was all just a dream. He then rushes off to meet with Guillermo Del Toro at the red carpet for the premier of their new movie.

The End.
 
Furyous said:
First off, Skullface WON to the first point. If the spoiler is true I have a really hard time believing any of the Patriots are dead.

How do we know Miller is dead? If Big Boss can fake his death three times (Once in Ground Zeroes/TPP, Once in Metal Gear, once in MGSV) then Miller can survive a killing. Besides he trained and fought through wars with Big Boss so no way in shit does Liquid kill him.

Signit isn't dead either because of his status as father of the AIs. This is all conspiracy theory bullshit designed to make us believe he's dead. His access to classified intel means he knew Decoy Octopus was there and probably sent in a body double.

The nanomachines Naomi placed in Vamp give me cause to believe Para-Medic is alive. Maybe the prototype version allowed her to resurrect once.

Ocelot is
The Boss' son
so of course he lasted til the end. <-- Spoiler tagging because there's one person in here who hasn't played any of the MGS games.

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How do we play missions without Mother Base if the ending is not final and there are more missions?
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that you Kojima?
 
void666 said:
Solo'ed nightfall, came back to the tower. "Disconnected from destiny servers"
If i'd disconnected a few minutes earlier the rage would've been epic.

So, i've been using universal remote+vestian dynasty in my patrols and i kind of like it.
Also i noticed that when i shoot hobgoblins with the VD they don't use their solar shield.
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Is this some sort of code?

Lol completely wrong thread.
 
Although the begging is kinda annoying...imagine the meltdown + reaction if the theories are real and BB turns up to ice Venom (if he ain't Solidus) and his first words are Hayter saying "Kept you waiting, huh?".

Would be glorious.

Also I read that Circus of Stupid gaf thing/ Dear lord.

The worst I saw back then was on FAQs someone called Lionheart (or GigaLionheart, not sure) was convinced nanomachines were a retcon on vamp because mGS2 suggested water made Vamp immortal due to Fortune's tears.
 
BossDarkseid said:
Although the begging is kinda annoying...imagine the meltdown + reaction if the theories are real and BB turns up to ice Venom (if he ain't Solidus) and his first words are Hayter saying "Kept you waiting, huh?".

Would be glorious.

Also I read that Circus of Stupid gaf thing/ Dear lord.

The worst I saw back then was on FAQs someone called Lionheart (or GigaLionheart, not sure) was convinced nanomachines were a retcon on vamp because mGS2 suggested water made Vamp immortal due to Fortune's tears.
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that would be cheesy as fuck and completely ruin the whole thing.


thanks now I don't want Hayter at all.
 
BossDarkseid said:
Although the begging is kinda annoying...imagine the meltdown + reaction if the theories are real and BB turns up to ice Venom (if he ain't Solidus) and his first words are Hayter saying "Kept you waiting, huh?".

Would be glorious.

Also I read that Circus of Stupid gaf thing/ Dear lord.

The worst I saw back then was on FAQs someone called Lionheart (or GigaLionheart, not sure) was convinced nanomachines were a retcon on vamp because mGS2 suggested water made Vamp immortal due to Fortune's tears.
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http://i.imgur.com/p3Mudr7.gif
 
Enter the Dragon Punch said:
Well, Solidus Snake was a CIA medic in the 80s as a teenager. Medic very clearly looks like a young Big Boss.

That would explain his ability, and the fact that - lets say Solidus is 18 - he'd be 43 yet look old as hell in 2009 when MGS2 takes place makes sense thanks to the accelerated aging process.

Only glaring issue is that he's supposed to be 12 in 1984, but they could always retcon that just like many things.

It would also lend credence to why he knows so much about everything involving Big Boss, the Patriots, etc in MGS2 and why he knows exactly what he needs to do
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Wouldn't he also be like 3 during Ground Zeroes? I don't think Kojima can retcon it by that much.

thabtoUK said:
[*]Mission 46 is missing from from the guide. It does exist, but the player has to fulfill very specific conditions to access it. Konami asked Piggy Back to not to reveal how to unlock the mission or detail it's content. However, Piggy Back will gradually supply information and updates online as they become available. The website will be www.piggyback.com/it/mgsv or the player can use a Quick Response code.
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Is this the post credits mission revealing the identity of Ishmael or some other mission? Either way I hope the requirements for this won't be too crazy I don't have the time to S rank every single mission and I don't want to watch the ending to this game from Youtube like I had to do with some other recent game.
 
The worst thing that can happen is Venom turns out to be someone who did the Nuclear stuff, and the real Big Boss had to take the fall. Kojima writes BB into a misunderstood hero while stripping us of being able to play as Big Boss for 40 hours.

Best case scenario for me is still, Venom is the one and only Big Boss and this is all just a triple ruse.
 
BossDarkseid said:
Although the begging is kinda annoying...imagine the meltdown + reaction if the theories are real and BB turns up to ice Venom (if he ain't Solidus) and his first words are Hayter saying "Kept you waiting, huh?".

Would be glorious.

Also I read that Circus of Stupid gaf thing/ Dear lord.

The worst I saw back then was on FAQs someone called Lionheart (or GigaLionheart, not sure) was convinced nanomachines were a retcon on vamp because mGS2 suggested water made Vamp immortal due to Fortune's tears.
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Lionhart was an ass but he was one of the best posters on that forum.

The water theory was picked up by more than a handful of people.
 
The mission against Fog Skulls....just watching the E3 2015 trailer and at 2:52 it's the bit of BB and Quiet against a crashed heli and Skulls come at them through the fog...wonder if it's a cut scene from that mission.

Edit: They move very staccato and zombie like, exactly how they moved in their intro in the Red Band E3 2013 trailer but with the sandstorm in Afghanistan when they were presented as "Those Who Do Not Exist".

Second Edit: I know that Mantis' name is russian for "The Third Child" but if we run with the Solidus theory...what if the final boss is Solidus piloting the Metal Gear, fighting against Big Boss and raging against how he's been manipulated? Although he did, by Kojima's hand of fate, turn out like him a tad so that probably wouldn't make sense but then it'd make Mantis' name a red herring and the "Third Child" being quite literal, although as others said EVA wasn't his mother.
 
REPOSTED FOR NEWCOMERS TO THE THREAD, WITH A NEW SONG ADDED.

Just to refresh, the official Italian version of the The Phantom Pain guide printed by Piggyback states the following points.

This information is from these pictures, which where taken by PumaWarrior on the MGS Reddit, who owns the original manual:

http://batmariafg.imgur.com

Videos proving the validity of the these pictures were also upload by PumaWarrior and can be seen here, where information has additionally been taken from:

http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4

http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4

I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated these points myself from the pictures in the link.

Other native Italian speakers have also verified the below points.

Thanks to Crossing Eden, Sickboy007, DevilFox on here and Sangivstheworld and Damnfiddles over on the MGS Reddit for further translating and organising some of this information.

GENERAL

  • Avatar creation is for the online elements only.
  • The are 50 main missions.
  • There are 157 side missions.
  • The alternate name of the ST-84 Metal Gear is confirmed to be the Sahelathropus.
  • The ST-84 Metal Gear has 6 body parts. Every part has its own life bar and destroying each part gives different advantages.
  • Zero orders Dr. Strangelove, who now works for DARPA, to develop The Patriots' AI to keep his control over the world.
  • In the penultimate mission of the main story, you must make contact with and recover Code Talker. Code Talker is being guarded by The Skulls.
  • The final mission of the main story is against the Metal Gear, which is being controlled by "The Third Child".
  • The "Man on Fire" is Volgin. You have to get recover his body in Chapter 2.
  • The guide says it's safe to assume that Eli is Liquid Snake.
  • The map confirms there are three main locations; Afghanistan, Africa and Mother Base.
  • Mission 46 is missing from from the guide. It does exist, but the player has to fulfill very specific conditions to access it. Konami asked Piggy Back to not to reveal how to unlock the mission or detail it's content. However, Piggy Back will gradually supply information and updates online as they become available. The website will be www.piggyback.com/it/mgsv or the player can use a Quick Response code.
SKULLFACE
  • The guide states that Skullface is the main antagonist of Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain and that he was born in Hungary, where his parents worked in a secret weapons factory.
  • During the bombing of the weapons factory he was knocked down and trampled on by terrified crowds fleeing in search of safety. This caused Skullface very serious injuries.
  • Abandoned in critical condition and without any possibility of cure with conventional means, he survived thanks to a innovative therapy with parasites. However, this therapy also it caused his deformation and damage to his nervous system, meaning he can no longer feel pain.
  • He was then recruited in secret by Major Zero and his mandate with the XOF unit was to watch over Big Boss and make sure that his important missions didn't fail. This includes Operation Snake Eater from Metal Gear Solid 3.
  • Working for Zero and watching over Big Boss for many years led to him resenting the two of them, particularly Zero.
  • Skullface attacks Mother Base in 1975 during the events of Ground Zeroes and tries to kill Big Boss by implanting bombs inside Paz
  • When Skullface discovers that Zero and Strangelove are making The Partriot AI, he develops a parasite that infects peoples' voice boxes and stops them from speaking. This parasite is developed by Code Talker, who has the cure, but does want to share it.
  • Because of the information supplied by Paz at the end of Ground Zeroes, Skullface finds Zero and infects him with the parasite. This causes Zero to slowly go into a vegetive state.
  • Skullface plans to spread the parasite using the ST-84 Metal Gear.
  • Skullface nearly completes his plan, but his overthrown by "The Third Child" after Mantis becomes enraged by Eli's presence in the XOF helicopter.
  • Skullface is crushed by the ST-84 Metal Gear and Miller and Big Boss decide to leave him to die, so he can suffer.
  • However, Huey ignores this idea and finally kills Skullface.
BIG BOSS/AHAB
  • The guide strongly suggests through clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the version of Big Boss who awakens from the coma in the hospital. This version of Big Boss is known as Ahab.
  • The guide notes that Big Boss and the Medic have similar voices, so he is a strong candidate for being the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital.
  • The guide continues by saying that in Ground Zeroes, the Medic is one of Big Boss' "most trusted men".
  • The guide also says that the Big Boss we see on the operating table in the "Don't you die on me dammit!" scene from the trailers does not have shrapnel in his head. The guide suggests that the Medic is the person to most likely have the shrapnel in his head, while also being the same hospital room, as he protected Big Boss from the Paz's bomb blast in the chopper in Ground Zeroes.
  • Huey is not sure of Big Boss/Ahab's identity when he first meets him.
  • The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that since Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match. The guides says this again gives a glue to Ahab's identity.
  • The guide notes that when Eli asks Ocelot where his father is, Ocelot replies that "Your father isn't here". This is despite the fact that Ahab is watching their conversation behind a two-way mirror.
ISHMAEL
  • The guide doesn't say who Ishmael definitely say who Ishmeal is. Konami and Kojima Production asked Piggyback, the creators of the guide, not to reveal it. Ishmael's identity is revealed in an optional mission after the main story has ended.
  • The guide does however, go over some fan theories and gives clues towards the true identity of Ishmael.
  • The guide discusses the theory that Ishmael is imaginary. It says that this can't be the case as Quiet sees Ishmael when she comes to assassinate the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in the hospital.
  • The guides further states that as Big Boss/Ahab is sat in the left-hand seat of the right-hand driven ambulance that's used to escape the hospital, Ishamel must be real.
  • However, Ishmael suddenly disappears when the ambulance crashes. Ocelot rescues Big Boss/Ahab from the ambulance after the crash. Big Boss/Ahab asks Ocelet who Ishmael was, but Ocelot deliberately ignores the question.
  • The guide says that the fact that there are "The Star of Bethlehem" lilies in the Ishmael's and Big Boss/Ahab's room is a strong clue to the real identity of Ishmael. The guide also states that these lilies hold a significance to The Boss.
  • When Ahab sees the ghost of Paz the first time at Mother Base, he has an hallucination where there are clearly two versions of Big Boss on the chopper.
QUIET

  • Quiet's hearing is ten times more sensitive than normal soldiers.
  • Her vision is unaffected by time of day, so there is no difference in her sight between night and day.
  • Quiet leaves you after mission 43 and to finish her story you will have to find her after the main story is over.
  • Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss at the start of the game and speaks while doing so. She specifically says "Not yet. The patient in the next bed saw my face" in regards to if she has assassinated Big Boss/Ahab.
  • Water has a negative affect of Quiet's powers.
  • If you spray Quiet with water she will "writhe", because the parasites inside her are absorbing the water. She also reacts to rain.
  • The guide states that Big Boss' relation with Quiet is based on mutual respect and has no traditional romantic connotation. It goes on to say that this doesn't diminish the importance of their relationship or Quiet's sacrifice when saving Big Boss.
THE SKULLS
  • The are three versions of The Skulls; A fog Version, an armoured version and a camouflage version.
  • All versions of The Skulls have health that slowly regenerates over time.
  • Like Quiet, they also have a negative reaction to water and rain.
  • You can fulton every type of Skull, leading to different rewards.
  • Like Quiet, they have perfect vision during night time and you can them breathing if you listen aiming with one of thier sniper rifles.
  • Destroying the "fog version" Skulls' body parts rapidly reduce their health and resistance.
  • Fultoning the "armoured version" Skulls will reward with the player with parasite enhanced armour.
  • Fultoning the "camouflage version" Skulls leads to the creation of an item that grants the player 30 seconds on invisibility.
  • The "camouflage version"'s body parts can't be destroyed, so headshots are the most useful way to defeat these Skulls.
THE ENDING

NOTE: The excerpt of the guide that this translation is taken from does not clearly state which "Big Boss" is being referred to.


  • The guide states that at the end of The Phantom Pain, the parasite that mutates peoples' vocal chords infects Mother Base. This forces Big Boss to exterminate his soldiers to prevent a global catastrophe.
  • The guide continues by saying that although he takes on this responsibility without any apparent remorse, it's impossible from him to ignore the fact that he has contributed to these events. This causes him to unleash his "inner demon".
  • The guide states Big Boss becomes the antagonist gradually, slowly consumed by what happens to him until all that is left is his obsession.
  • After these events, Big Boss is more determined than ever to reinforce his troops, with the aim of forming a nation free from the governments' hegemony, a dream he will be on the verge of realising in the 1990's.
BOSS FIGHTS
  • THE SKULLS

    Fog Version - Missions 1 and 6.

    Armoured Version - Missions 16, 29 and (And 37, 42 on Extreme Difficulty Only).

    Camouflage Version - Missions 28 and 46.

  • QUIET

    Mission 11 (And 40 on Extreme Difficulty Only)

  • THE "MAN ON FIRE"

    Prologue and Mission 20

  • ELI

    Mission 23 (and Optional Mission 113).

  • SAHELANTHROPUS (METAL GEAR ST-84)

    Missions 12 and 31 (And Mission 50 on Extreme Difficulty Only)
MUSIC TAPES

The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations.

These are in addition to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
 
Pomo said:
So, uh...
I guess this new info lends some credence to this whole thing:
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Not likely, unless Konami wants to be sued for such a hoax. Plenty of evidence proved that that was another ridiculous theory.
 
thabtoUK said:
[*]The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that since Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match.
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I thought it was already established in MGS4 that Solid and Liquid 's DNA were different, with only Solidus being a 100% DNA match for Big Boss?
 
SictorVullivan said:
So that means the guide is wrong then in that instance?
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The guide never suggests that Big Boss/Ahab is Solidus Snake. It does however give extremely strong clues that the Medic is Big Boss/Ahab, although the Medic's identity still remains a mystery.

People are just speculating that the Medic may be an pre-established character such as Solidus or Grey Fox. This does not mean that he is.
 
thabtoUK said:
The guide never suggests that Big Boss/Ahab is Solidus Snake. It doe whoever give extremely strong clues that the Medic is, although the Medic's identity remains a mystery.
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That's not what I'm saying though. The guide says the DNA between the real big boss and liquid should match but MGS4 disproves that completely.
 
SictorVullivan said:
So that means the guide is wrong then in that instance? Translation error perhaps?



Surely it shouldn't match in any case? Real Big Boss? Not a match. Fake Venom Snake? Not a match.
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I assume so,it'd be a kinda useless retcon if not.

Since the AI was bio locked to Big Boss' DNA only Solidus was a useable substitute.
 
I mean I'm pretty sure Solid/Liquid and BBs DNA matches up to a point. It could just mean Venom and Eli have 0% percent match while BB would be like 98 or something.
 
I don't know if someone posted it, but Skullface plan is to eradicate english language from the world, using the Whaller Gear or something like that (I can't read it properly from the video posted on Youtube).
 
Seems to be an error. Solidus was a huge plot device in MGS4, because only his DNA would work. Liquid and Solid DNA were useless. Which means Eli shouldn't match at all.

The guide doesn't imply Solidus, but its merely stating another tidbit about Venom likely being someone else (though in this case, it shouldn't match anyway).

PunishedSnake said:
I don't know if someone posted it, but Skullface plan is to eradicate english language from the world, using the Whaller Gear or something like that (I can't read it properly from the video posted on Youtube).
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Yeah it sounds dumb but its in line with the trailer and what Skull Face said. His language was taken from him, he wants to do it as well.
 
SictorVullivan said:
That's not what I'm saying though. The guide says the DNA between the real big boss and liquid should match but MGS4 disproves that completely.
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The guide is giving strong clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the Big Boss we play as in The Phantom Pain, and that is also known as Ahab.

Therefore, it would make sense that, as a body double for the real Big Boss, his DNA wouldn't match with Eli/Liquid.
 
thabtoUK said:
The guide is giving strong clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the Big Boss we play as in The Phantom Pain, who is also known as Ahab.

Therefore, it would make sense that, as a body double for the real Big Boss, his DNA wouldn't match with Eli/Liquid.
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But Big Boss' DNA doesn't match with Liquid's to begin with.

EDIT: I'm so confused. Damnit Kojima!
 
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