CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election
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speculawyer
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Yeah, although Trump is pretty whacked, he would still probably be better than the rest of the GOP field.
NullPointer
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Thank You, Jesus, for Lord President Trump?Thread needs the uncropped photo with the full sign.
He said he doesn't actually believe that, and was apparently just being Trump (hyperbolic as hell). Though he does view global warming as a non-issue.
Oh wow. Those colors say exactly that.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
America keeps trying to rip off Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Palmer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_United_Party
He said something interesting and potentially destructive to his campaign in Alabama. I didn't think he was just kidding either. He was talking about rethinking his stance on accepting large donations from lobbyists. That he'd prefer to take their money and donate it to charity and just say "no" when they call for a favor later.
Maybe he was just being cute, but I got the impression that after so much temptation, he really can't refuse a buck. That if he gets far enough, he's not going to be willing to pay for it all out of his own pocket. Some might consider that relatively minor since every other candidate has huge special interest backing, but to me he's toying with killing one of his most unique & appealing selling points.
Maybe he was just being cute, but I got the impression that after so much temptation, he really can't refuse a buck. That if he gets far enough, he's not going to be willing to pay for it all out of his own pocket. Some might consider that relatively minor since every other candidate has huge special interest backing, but to me he's toying with killing one of his most unique & appealing selling points.
Bam Bam Baklava
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He cares too much about being rich to cut his net worth down like that. That money is never coming back, not like an investment.
When you said he mentioned something that could hurt his campaign in Alabama, I thought you were going to mention his nuanced view of planned parenthood. I was genuinely surprised that some, not many, people cheered when he didn't come out swinging at women's health like Jeb Bush did.
If I were Trump, I certainly would not use my own money to run for office. Especially if I was the front runner. But I'm also not a billionaire, so I don't know what he'll do.
I think if he gets the Republican nomination, he'll absolutely change his stance (if not sooner). I don't think the businessman in him will allow such a money loss when he can minimize financial risk. And it will be a mistake because I don't see how Trump can just Trump his way out of that one.
You know how Trump's favorite book is "the Bible" (*wink*). That's how he is now with "women's health issues" (*wink*). He was first talking about how he'd shut down the government over Planned Parenthood but like a shark smells blood, he caught Jeb in a stupid comment. Now he's always describing how he's going to be great at "women's health issues" (wink). He's going to continue to recite the hell out of that phrase. I can almost picture his fingers air-quoting it as he says it. I guess he's beginning to realize why politicians have to be politicians to get elected.
Off the issue, he had a pretty good Trumpism today: "How is Bernie Sanders going to defend our country if he can't even defend his own microphone? Very sad!"
One of the top facebook replies is just as good: "How are you going to take care of our country when you can't even take care of your hair?"
speculawyer
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I don't know. If he really thinks he can win, I can see him start spending.
I mean really . . . What's the difference between 200 million, 400 million, 1 billion, 5 billion, etc.? Your filthy rich no matter what and you can't take it with you.
And at that age, those guys think about their legacy not more money. And spending a few hundred million to end up in the history books is a pretty good investment if that is your goal.
Of course this isn't always true. There are people that also just want more & more money right up until the day they die. That's something I can't understand.
gutter_trash
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Trump attracts people who don't follow politics and then say catchphrases like "Trump speaks the truth!"" "Trump is not part of the Establishment!" "Trump cannot be bought!!"
match that with populism, and there you have it. the polls behind Trump.
For me, Trump's job is to torpedo the GOP and to block John Ellis Bush. That is what Trump's job should be. Then have a Democrat candidate win the Presidency
I laugh at Trump, I cheer for Trump to beat John Ellis Bush. But I do not support him and do not want him as President.
match that with populism, and there you have it. the polls behind Trump.
For me, Trump's job is to torpedo the GOP and to block John Ellis Bush. That is what Trump's job should be. Then have a Democrat candidate win the Presidency
I laugh at Trump, I cheer for Trump to beat John Ellis Bush. But I do not support him and do not want him as President.
triplestation
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W-- we didn't listen!
That was some expert maneuvering there when it came to the bible. He didn't have to say it was his favorite book even; the crowd said it. And that makes it more meaningful. Someone said that watching Trump is how watching Mussolini must've been like, and yeah. I'm actually terrified of the guy and his rhetoric when it comes to xenophobia, racism and nationalism. The USA chant actually made me sick.
And since we're talking about his stance on women's health. He really should stop the "I cherish women" thing. It's weird. I feel like he said it without thinking on CNN that one time after defending his comments about Meghyn Kelly's period blood and then couldn't back from it. Now it's a staple at his stump speeches. Yuck.
Ghost is Bad
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the dude abhors women, minorities, lgbt and progressive policy. he's basically perfect for the xenophobic right wing extremists screaming everyone's ears off about the threat of illegal immigration and how it's destroying america and how america isn't competitive with china because of whatever (hint: they're wrong.)
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
After seeing Jeb?! in the spotlight once again, I don't think he even has much of a chance, let alone winning the Election.
The biggest threat he poses, is creating voter apathy by creating another Bush v Clinton Election. Although, considering the reputation left by both, Clinton's name and histoic significant of first Woman to hold the office of the president will outweigh the Apathy. (Sorry for the late edits).
Walker is really struggling right now, but I still think he has more of a chance at the nomination than Jeb. It's hard to say with Trump though. I think he's about reached his potential. It's sad to say. And even if he does continue to grow, I imagine that the establishment republicans really will do all they can to throw him off. Jeb's main advantage is his funding; he doesn't even need to run a decent campaign. He's an awkward guy that fumbles a lot, but he can outlast his competition.
Hilary can beat the crazies. She has the minority vote, Trump will NOT. Bernie is too big of a risk if the alternative is Trump. Sorry guys, until Bernie beats Hildog in New Hampshire Polls regularly I won't put my vote on the table for anyone but Clinton. I will take another 8 years of establishment democrat administration over ANY right wing nut job any day. Plus if the dems get both the first black and female presidents back to back, the right will spend generations trying to repair their image with minorities and women.
I've been wondering lately how could Trump not run as a third party if Jeb gets the nomination? "We can't have another Bush", he keeps reminding us, and the prospect of capitalizing on another Bush vs. Clinton apathy has to be tantalizing.
Getting more votes than Jeb but still losing to Clinton would be an amazing accomplishment for Trump. He'd forever be able to say he would have won and should have won, if not for that effete Bush, and hold his head high despite losing.
Getting more votes than Jeb but still losing to Clinton would be an amazing accomplishment for Trump. He'd forever be able to say he would have won and should have won, if not for that effete Bush, and hold his head high despite losing.
exmachina64
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Trump isn't worth five billion, so there's that.
One billion would be one quarter of his net worth (I'm not sure how liquid his assets are). Reasonable assumption that he can't afford to spend more than in the low (sub-$100 million) range.
I mean, sure, he could spend as much of his wealth as he can/wants, but I'd hope he's smarter than that.
Yeah, about that. It's kind of crazy how almost every "populist" fantasy policy he puts out, there's a clear and easy answer that shows just how detached from reality it is.
And that doesn't even factor in the relatively massive technological advantage we already have.
Walker has the charisma of a stale sour cream and onion potato chip.
All of the GOP contenders other than Trump have no charisma which is part of the reason why Trump stands out so much. A dunce like GWB would be able to roll with the punches much better than the current crop because he at least had some personality. If Trump attacked GWB on stage, Bush would smirk, make a quip that made little sense upon reflection but sounded good at the time, laugh a bit, throw out a GOP platitude, claim he's a "compassionate conservative" and people would be like, "I want to buy that man a beer!"
King Tubby
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It's not just that. Romney was perceived as trying to hide his wealth in an effort to connect with the average American. He was saying anything he could to try to connect with voters. He was extremely processed. Trump is just putting it all out there.
CadetMahoney
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I said before but Trump is a false flag to make Jeb Bush look good and get elected.
Trump is not going to win any election, but he's just there so all of you can go:
"At least it wasn't trump" *wipes brow* when Bush wins. Which what the plan was in the first place.
Trump is not going to win any election, but he's just there so all of you can go:
"At least it wasn't trump" *wipes brow* when Bush wins. Which what the plan was in the first place.
Man, I should start using that whenever I say something totally ridiculous.
"Sorry about that, I was just being Trump."
CassidyIzABeast
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Hopefully he runs with Deez Nuts.
He's said like half a dozen wrong things already. In fact he says so much ridiculous shit that none of it sticks to him by the time everyone has moved on to the next thing.
Pizza Booty
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from my experience average Americans are much more stupid than citizens of other countries
again, from my experience some of the poorest people in the world on other parts of the planet (east africa and south america) seem to know more about politics than the average american
Freeza Under The Shower
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To be fair, at least some of that went towards counterfeit poker chips, trying to play guitar in a mexican restaurant in Russia, and lots of other hilariously outdated possibly world-ending stuff that nobody needs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g
Hexa
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He's saying so many wrong things that he's become gaffe proof. Like every other thing he says would be a gaffe for any other politician, but for him its a positive. Its amazing.
I don't think Trump can say anything "wrong." His entire run has been based on saying insane shit that a large chunk of the population agrees with.
Romney had some obligation to be sensible at least part of the time, which is why the 47% statement hit him so hard. It was a semi-rational individual getting dragged down by a stupid statement.
But with Trump, a crazy statement can't take down a crazy, highly-irrational person. The expectation of crazy is already there and nothing will make him look any worse than what he's already said.
speculawyer
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Before you go off on this "Americans are stupid" stuff, you need to realize that Trump has only captured 25% of the people in a party that makes up 32% of the country. So though he is the front-runner in the GOP primary, he only really has a pretty small slice of the country behind him.
Pizza Booty
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I think It's scary because we know there really are only two parties that are actually contending for the presidency. trump holds a quarter of the votes for one of those parties.
This isn't some third party joke thing he's doing on the side where people are just showing up for fun and cheering. he has so far legitimately gained a huge portion of the actual vote necessary to win the election from the republican party
gonna go out on a limb here and guess it isn't anything close to the people it draws and the minds it sways in the US?
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thepotatoman
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Isn't Europe full of populist parties that run on anti-immigration xenophobia? It seems like most parliaments have one small but significant party that's like that.
DragonSworne
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I read it as "Thank you Lord for Jesus, President Trump"
Trump is literally bringing the second the coming of christ. Aren't bad things suppose to happen now?
Article from today's NY Times...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/u...p-wont-fold-polls-and-people-speak.html?&_r=0
More at the link...some solid insights into his appeal, etc. It does also bring up why things may buckle for him but I don't think that will happen.
Also regarding his lack of details or plans, I'm pretty sure its intentional. If he can sell him self har enough, when he does release details and lets say some of those details are more center/left, he's more likely to get it to slide because people believe in him as a person more then they are concerned with his actual policy...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/u...p-wont-fold-polls-and-people-speak.html?&_r=0
More at the link...some solid insights into his appeal, etc. It does also bring up why things may buckle for him but I don't think that will happen.
Also regarding his lack of details or plans, I'm pretty sure its intentional. If he can sell him self har enough, when he does release details and lets say some of those details are more center/left, he's more likely to get it to slide because people believe in him as a person more then they are concerned with his actual policy...
Maybe you meant "ignorant" instead of stupid. You can't believe that general intelligence is defined by borders alone. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
speculawyer
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That's amazing
Incredible. Lmao, her expression cracks me up..
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lmao, I actually didn't even notice the face changes at first glance.
Pretty sure people were joking so I'm sure everyone knows but the sign reads " Thank You Lord Jesus, For President Trump"
Agreed completely. Donald Trump shouldn't be that surprising, given the very large amount of white voters who actually feel "left behind" by mainstream Republicans who try to curry the Hispanic vote.
GreatestHits
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God I hate strategic voting. I get it, it's the nature of the ****ed up system. But Bernie should be at the helm LONG before she is ever considered. Ah well, I think Trump is basically showing us that Hilary Clinton will most likely be the next POTUS, and that he's also a huge attention seeking *ahem* man
Edit: So I am finally able to log into my account after months of lurking, and I keep hitting the top o' the page on very heated subjects. Thanks, Jesus
TheChewyWaffles
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/23/politics/donald-trump-donations-no-strings-attached-2016/index.html
I haven't read this thread and I'm sure Trump isn't liked much by many people here at GAF, but he says a lot of good things here IMO. I like the idea that he expects donations without strings and that he recognizes that hedge fund managers are getting their cake and eating it too, the need to shore up the middle class, etc.
I haven't read this thread and I'm sure Trump isn't liked much by many people here at GAF, but he says a lot of good things here IMO. I like the idea that he expects donations without strings and that he recognizes that hedge fund managers are getting their cake and eating it too, the need to shore up the middle class, etc.
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