Reviewers should not let hype cloud their judgement of games they play, because we can end up getting crap games with good reviews.
I'm not saying MGS5 will be crap, but people need not get so hung up if the reviewer scores below a 9 on a game.
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Reviewers should not let hype cloud their judgement of games they play, because we can end up getting crap games with good reviews.
I'm not saying MGS5 will be crap, but people need not get so hung up if the reviewer scores below a 9 on a game.
It was just this ongoing speculation that someone thought to be true and decided to put it there; it has been removed already.
Should not, I agree, but they will. Game critic isn't mature enough nor properly educated to make more objective and accurate analysis and as such they review just like any gamer out there. It's funny if we think that games get more and more complex with time and devs deserve more critical eyes to improve, in my opinion.
That said, I'm sure MGSV is a great and fun game. Do not take my words against the game, I was talking in general.
MrS
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Gamespot review with the spoiler: 'The thing you tried the hardest to fight ultimately proved to be in effect the whole time, and the relationships you made and fought for along the way are impacted as a result, including your relationship with your identity as a military leader.'
The reviewer has slipped it in, but for anybody 'in the know' with the spoilers, it suggests that we're not going to play as Big Boss.
Gamespot review with the spoiler: 'The thing you tried the hardest to fight ultimately proved to be in effect the whole time, and the relationships you made and fought for along the way are impacted as a result, including your relationship with your identity as a military leader.'
The reviewer has slipped it in, but for anybody 'in the know' with the spoilers, it suggests that we're not going to play as Big Boss.
MrS
Banned
It's ambiguous. Given what has been speculated about the secret ending, I'd say he's alluding to it. Maybe it's not overt enough to be an out and out spoiler, but not playing as Big Boss is the first thing I thought of when I read it.
shocky2002
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Wait, has any review so far indicated the identity clusterfuck of BB/Venom/Ishmael/Medic?
shocky2002
Neo Member
Ugh. I read some reviews saying the ending made them feel hollow.
All my fears are coming to fruition. Ishmael is the real Big Boss and he's a good guy. Gray Fox is Venom and he did all the bad stuff. Kojima just wanted a twist for the sake of having a twist and to ruin his best character once and for all.
All my fears are coming to fruition. Ishmael is the real Big Boss and he's a good guy. Gray Fox is Venom and he did all the bad stuff. Kojima just wanted a twist for the sake of having a twist and to ruin his best character once and for all.
Sorry i'm asking this again. But can a reviewer can answer this for me. Please.
Quick question about the character creator, the name you put, is that displayed online, or is it you tag. ? Does anybody know.
Sorry if it's a dumb question that can't be answered yet, maybe the guide says. ?
Quick question about the character creator, the name you put, is that displayed online, or is it you tag. ? Does anybody know.
Sorry if it's a dumb question that can't be answered yet, maybe the guide says. ?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That guy who was supposed to stream deleted his twitter, guess he was lying afterall. Wait, it seems I was mistaken, he's deleting certain tweets.
KOMANI
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but did they see the true ending? What I'm getting at is even peacewalker had a false ending.
MAX PAYMENT
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I need more spoilers.
shocky2002
Neo Member
I think they did because some of the reviews were hinting that we don't play as the real Big Boss, which would likely be revealed in the Ishmael mission. God I am so pissed at this.
It won't even be something clever like Venom being a self insert character who gets killed by the real BB and we feel the betrayal. It'll be BB patting Venom (Frank Jaeger) on the back, saying a good job well done. I should've expected nothing better from Kojima.
BossDarkseid
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Err, has anyone spoiled the big revelation or is it just mor slightly ironic vague hints?
Anyhow, glad the gameplay seems excellent and all that, I suspect I'll be loving a lot of this whenever it arrives. I know some wanted a lot of cutscenes and I'd be lying if I didn't enjoy them in 2 and even 4 etc but it's interesting to note some reviewers talking about it as a case of Kojima and the series growing up or evolving and that dozens of tapes are a "new" way of doing the old job anyway so not much lost.
Don't know if I want more spoiler now because it'd feel so different to seeing it for myself.
Edit: also happy that even without micro transactions everything seems fair
NintenDOMG
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Just asked Ben Moore (from Gametrailers.com) to spoil me the ending... He wouldn't. Haha. I love the guy 
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
They are generally nonsensical if you don't pay attention to the story. MGS makes sense within its own universe. Its also generally not schlocky, especially by videogame standards. Presentation and directing are actually quite good. And finally, what strawman are you using for fans? A lot of fans liked Peace Walker which this game apes a thousand-fold, including its method of storytelling. And people who disliked PW didn't necessarily dislike it for its light cutscene touch but other reasons like limited gameplay scope or plot.
Fans = some people in this thread being super disappointed that the story isn't as direct as in past MGS games. I know the story has a large following (myself included), but I personally am not going to bemoan the fact that we can spend more time with the gameplay because we don't have to sit through extra long cutscenes.
Though I don't want to just sit and listen to cassettes. Can you listen to them as you move around?
[edit]I just realized this is the spoiler thread. The first post was supposed to be in the review thread....
MAX PAYMENT
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This sounds like what I've always wanted MGS to be. More gameplay with shorter, more meaningful cutscenes. Sounds like it's most similar to MGS1 in that regard.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-kinda-funny-le/2300-6426643/
Skull fight #1 at 45:00, looks great in motion.
Skull fight #1 at 45:00, looks great in motion.
Please use cation when posting streams. Im sure the Konami Ninjas are already looking and we dont need to help them. Most streamers wont be using MGSV in their title anyway but if you do find one just PM the link to people just in case.
The last Boss isn't the Skulls. Why tell everone in the review thread it was?
Didn't see you said first, sorry.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yeah you can definitely move around in the game while listening to the tapes. Same with the music tracks which are not just for the helicopter.
Although you might find relaxing in a lawn chair listening to the mp3 files of the tapes to be an equally tempting alternative haha
REPOSTED FOR NEWCOMERS TO THE THREAD AFTER THE RELEASE OF REVIEWS.
Just to refresh, the official Italian version of the The Phantom Pain guide printed by Piggyback states the following points.
This information is from these pictures, which where taken by PumaWarrior on the MGS Reddit, who owns the original manual:
http://batmariafg.imgur.com
Videos proving the validity of the these pictures were also upload by PumaWarrior and can be seen here, where information has additionally been taken from:
http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4
http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4
I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated these points myself from the pictures in the link.
Other native Italian speakers have also verified the below points.
Thanks to Crossing Eden, Sickboy007, DevilFox on here and Sangivstheworld and Damnfiddles over on the MGS Reddit for further translating and organising some of this information.
GENERAL
NOTE: The excerpt of the guide that this translation is taken from does not clearly state which "Big Boss" is being referred to.
The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations.
These are in addition to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
Just to refresh, the official Italian version of the The Phantom Pain guide printed by Piggyback states the following points.
This information is from these pictures, which where taken by PumaWarrior on the MGS Reddit, who owns the original manual:
http://batmariafg.imgur.com
Videos proving the validity of the these pictures were also upload by PumaWarrior and can be seen here, where information has additionally been taken from:
http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4
http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4
I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated these points myself from the pictures in the link.
Other native Italian speakers have also verified the below points.
Thanks to Crossing Eden, Sickboy007, DevilFox on here and Sangivstheworld and Damnfiddles over on the MGS Reddit for further translating and organising some of this information.
GENERAL
- Avatar creation is for the online elements only.
- The are 50 main missions.
- There are 157 side missions.
- The alternate name of the ST-84 Metal Gear is confirmed to be the Sahelathropus.
- The ST-84 Metal Gear has 6 body parts. Every part has its own life bar and destroying each part gives different advantages.
- Zero orders Dr. Strangelove, who now works for DARPA, to develop The Patriots' AI to keep his control over the world.
- In the penultimate mission of the main story, you must make contact with and recover Code Talker. Code Talker is being guarded by The Skulls.
- The final mission of the main story is against the Metal Gear, which is being controlled by "The Third Child".
- The "Man on Fire" is Volgin. You have to get recover his body in Chapter 2.
- The guide says it's safe to assume that Eli is Liquid Snake.
- The map confirms there are three main locations; Afghanistan, Africa and Mother Base.
- Mission 46 is missing from from the guide. It does exist, but the player has to fulfill very specific conditions to access it. Konami asked Piggy Back to not to reveal how to unlock the mission or detail it's content. However, Piggy Back will gradually supply information and updates online as they become available. The website will be www.piggyback.com/it/mgsv or the player can use a Quick Response code.
- The guide states that Skullface is the main antagonist of Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain and that he was born in Hungary, where his parents worked in a secret weapons factory.
- During the bombing of the weapons factory he was knocked down and trampled on by terrified crowds fleeing in search of safety. This caused Skullface very serious injuries.
- Abandoned in critical condition and without any possibility of cure with conventional means, he survived thanks to a innovative therapy with parasites. However, this therapy also it caused his deformation and damage to his nervous system, meaning he can no longer feel pain.
- He was then recruited in secret by Major Zero and his mandate with the XOF unit was to watch over Big Boss and make sure that his important missions didn't fail. This includes Operation Snake Eater from Metal Gear Solid 3.
- Working for Zero and watching over Big Boss for many years led to him resenting the two of them, particularly Zero.
- Skullface attacks Mother Base in 1975 during the events of Ground Zeroes and tries to kill Big Boss by implanting bombs inside Paz
- When Skullface discovers that Zero and Strangelove are making The Partriot AI, he develops a parasite that infects peoples' voice boxes and stops them from speaking. This parasite is developed by Code Talker, who has the cure, but does want to share it.
- Because of the information supplied by Paz at the end of Ground Zeroes, Skullface finds Zero and infects him with the parasite. This causes Zero to slowly go into a vegetive state.
- Skullface plans to spread the parasite using the ST-84 Metal Gear.
- Skullface nearly completes his plan, but his overthrown by "The Third Child" after Mantis becomes enraged by Eli's presence in the XOF helicopter.
- Skullface is crushed by the ST-84 Metal Gear and Miller and Big Boss decide to leave him to die, so he can suffer.
- However, Huey ignores this idea and finally kills Skullface.
- The guide strongly suggests through clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the version of Big Boss who awakens from the coma in the hospital. This version of Big Boss is known as Ahab.
- The guide notes that Big Boss and the Medic have similar voices, so he is a strong candidate for being the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital.
- The guide continues by saying that in Ground Zeroes, the Medic is one of Big Boss' "most trusted men".
- The guide also says that the Big Boss we see on the operating table in the "Don't you die on me dammit!" scene from the trailers does not have shrapnel in his head. The guide suggests that the Medic is the person to most likely have the shrapnel in his head, while also being the same hospital room, as he protected Big Boss from the Paz's bomb blast in the chopper in Ground Zeroes.
- Huey is not sure of Big Boss/Ahab's identity when he first meets him.
- The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that since Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match. The guides says this again gives a glue to Ahab's identity.
- The guide notes that when Eli asks Ocelot where his father is, Ocelot replies that "Your father isn't here". This is despite the fact that Ahab is watching their conversation behind a two-way mirror.
- These images of the official guide from UK based store Game, further confirm there is a Big Boss with his left arm intact in The Phantom Pain. Instead of shrapnel, this version of Big Boss appears to have a "V" shaped scar on the right side of his forehead is smoking a real cigar, as opposed to the E-Cigar that Punished "Venom" Snake smokes in The Phantom Pain.
http://img.game.co.uk/images/content/SpecialEditions/MGSVTPPCollectorsGuide.jpg
http://img.game.co.uk/ml2/4/0/6/3/406318_scr3_a.png
http://www.game.co.uk/en/metal-gear...rs-edition-strategy-guide-only-at-game-653197
This image is a cleaner version of the this picture from the Italian guide:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150823013609/metalgear/images/2/20/S0FRdxk.jpg
- The guide doesn't definitely say who Ishmeal is. Konami and Kojima Production asked Piggyback, the creators of the guide, not to reveal it. Ishmael's identity is revealed in an optional mission after the main story has ended.
- The guide does however, go over some fan theories and gives clues towards the true identity of Ishmael.
- The guide discusses the theory that Ishmael is imaginary. It says that this can't be the case as Quiet sees Ishmael when she comes to assassinate the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in the hospital.
- The guides further states that as Big Boss/Ahab is sat in the left-hand seat of the right-hand driven ambulance that's used to escape the hospital, Ishamel must be real.
- However, Ishmael suddenly disappears when the ambulance crashes. Ocelot rescues Big Boss/Ahab from the ambulance after the crash. Big Boss/Ahab asks Ocelet who Ishmael was, but Ocelot deliberately ignores the question.
- The guide says that the fact that there are "The Star of Bethlehem" lilies in the Ishmael's and Big Boss/Ahab's room is a strong clue to the real identity of Ishmael. The guide also states that these lilies hold a significance to The Boss.
- When Ahab sees the ghost of Paz the first time at Mother Base, he has an hallucination where there are clearly two versions of Big Boss on the chopper.
- Quiet's hearing is ten times more sensitive than normal soldiers.
- Her vision is unaffected by time of day, so there is no difference in her sight between night and day.
- Quiet leaves you after mission 43 and to finish her story you will have to find her after the main story is over.
- Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss at the start of the game and speaks while doing so. She specifically says "Not yet. The patient in the next bed saw my face" in regards to if she has assassinated Big Boss/Ahab.
- Water has a negative affect of Quiet's powers.
- If you spray Quiet with water she will "writhe", because the parasites inside her are absorbing the water. She also reacts to rain.
- The guide states that Big Boss' relation with Quiet is based on mutual respect and has no traditional romantic connotation. It goes on to say that this doesn't diminish the importance of their relationship or Quiet's sacrifice when saving Big Boss.
- The are three versions of The Skulls; A fog Version, an armoured version and a camouflage version.
- All versions of The Skulls have health that slowly regenerates over time.
- Like Quiet, they also have a negative reaction to water and rain.
- You can fulton every type of Skull, leading to different rewards.
- Like Quiet, they have perfect vision during night time and you can them breathing if you listen aiming with one of thier sniper rifles.
- Destroying the "fog version" Skulls' body parts rapidly reduce their health and resistance.
- Fultoning the "armoured version" Skulls will reward with the player with parasite enhanced armour.
- Fultoning the "camouflage version" Skulls leads to the creation of an item that grants the player 30 seconds on invisibility.
- The "camouflage version"'s body parts can't be destroyed, so headshots are the most useful way to defeat these Skulls.
NOTE: The excerpt of the guide that this translation is taken from does not clearly state which "Big Boss" is being referred to.
- The guide states that at the end of The Phantom Pain, the parasite that mutates peoples' vocal chords infects Mother Base. This forces Big Boss to exterminate his soldiers to prevent a global catastrophe.
- The guide continues by saying that although he takes on this responsibility without any apparent remorse, it's impossible from him to ignore the fact that he has contributed to these events. This causes him to unleash his "inner demon".
- The guide states Big Boss becomes the antagonist gradually, slowly consumed by what happens to him until all that is left is his obsession.
- After these events, Big Boss is more determined than ever to reinforce his troops, with the aim of forming a nation free from the governments' hegemony, a dream he will be on the verge of realising in the 1990's.
- THE SKULLS
Fog Version - Missions 1 and 6.
Armoured Version - Missions 16, 29 and (And 37, 42 on Extreme Difficulty Only).
Camouflage Version - Missions 28 and 46.
- QUIET
Mission 11 (And 40 on Extreme Difficulty Only)
- THE "MAN ON FIRE"
Prologue and Mission 20
- ELI
Mission 23 (and Optional Mission 113).
- SAHELANTHROPUS (METAL GEAR ST-84)
Missions 12 and 31 (And Mission 50 on Extreme Difficulty Only)
The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations.
These are in addition to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
- Laid Back - White Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwATF5dnfq4
- Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWGXt979yg
- Ultravox - Dancing With Tears in My Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWvPMxsDb_s
- Kajagoogoo - Too Shy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nozewQJ4hyw
- Japan - Quiet Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrW3SLcC3OM
- Laura Branigan - Gloria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnJCEuyUac
- Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Right Round (Like a Record)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
- The Cure - Friday I'm in Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2nLEhUcZ0
- Cynhtia Harrell - Snake Eater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsvNl1WiKkk
- Jennifer Rush - Midnight Mirage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nofjO-N3nGo
Emedan
Member
Yep :/ My feelings exactly
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Lol was about to say. I can't be the only one who thinks that that looked awesome right? Metal gear has always been pretty behind in terms of "cinematic" gameplay where the player is in control imo. Here I was thinking i'd just tranq them and be done with it. Lol nope.
On a scale of 1-10 how good is it? Im typing off PS4 so Can't watch lol
-Stryder-
Member
Am I insane?? Why is this video different from the one that was posted on kinda funny games youtube channel? Did they strike a deal with gamespot for them to get one of the videos?
This seems to be part one while part 2 is posted on the kinda funny youtube.
It seems they uploaded the wrong video to youtube. The description on the YT video even says it's the mission "Phantom Limbs" but it's not, thats the mission in the gamespot video. Let's hope they don't upload the same video as today tomorrow again as the real part 2
I don't think any of us that haven't played the game and seen the mythical Mission 46 really know the details.
The current speculation out there though is that you play as some sort of Boss doppelganger known as Ahab aka Venom Snake. This person is possibly the medic seen on the chopper in GZ, maybe Grey Fox, Decoy Octopus, Solidus...the list goes on but nobody in here that isn't an editor posting a review today really knows the truth.
People are thinking that at the end of the game, the real Big Boss will emerge, drop a truth bomb on your ass, and blow your mind.
PeterLegend
Member
I was watching the greg miller stream on gamespot and saw the
, they are scary lol
SKULLS
Wow, sounds absolutely horrible.
Blanket statements like that are very ignorant. You have no idea how a story where Venom isn't BB would play out.
The entire concept is crap. The execution is irrelevant. I'm not being ignorant so much as voicing my displeasure of shitty tropes done for shock value at the expense of sense. Stories don't need to be convoluted to be deep and emotional. This perfunctory notion would hurt the game more than anything.
Trying to think of a scenario where any of it would make sense and it all seems stupid even by MGS standards.
Again you have no idea how it's executed to say that. You just don't like the idea of it so you find it shit.
Nevermind the reviews that have played the game plus the full ending says it ties up everything and is satisfactory.
But to each his own. I personally love the idea I'm playing as someone else and the real Big Boss is using "Venom" as a pawn.
mgs2master2
Banned
feel like an assumption is here. We honestly dont know the true end, just the skullface lore
How it's executed matters not one bit. As I said, the very concept, the very idea, is terrible.
Reviews also said MGS4's story explained everything and did so well. I couldn't give any less fucks about what reviews say, especially when it comes to story.
shocky2002
Neo Member
Nope. The execution is absolutely relevant and could make or break the story.
If it's done terribly, and I have a big feeling it will be, Kojima should never get credit for this game. I'm giving all the credit to the actual people that worked on the game and made it amazing and not the guy that ego stroked his dick all over it because he wants to be the star of the show.
No, it's completely irrelevant. That's a ham-fisted excuse. There isn't a single way it can be executed that I, personally, would find sensible or enjoyable. The very concept is goofed. There's no going beyond that for me.
I love how nothing about Ground Zeroes' tactless and poorly told Paz and Chico story really set most fans off, but a Kojima game where you don't actually play as the main character? Well FUCK to that.
Not to say there's no overlap or anyone who thinks one thing thinks the other thing, or vice versa, I just mean general fan sentiment is leaning in really weird ways. I feel the tone in MGS5 has already been completely dysfunctional from trailer number 1 and I'm more or less just in it for the ride.
Not to say there's no overlap or anyone who thinks one thing thinks the other thing, or vice versa, I just mean general fan sentiment is leaning in really weird ways. I feel the tone in MGS5 has already been completely dysfunctional from trailer number 1 and I'm more or less just in it for the ride.
shocky2002
Neo Member
If it's done in a way that makes all the interactions you've had in the game utterly pointless, and it also kills Big Boss as a character and makes him into a mary sue that didn't do anything wrong while Venom Snake did, then it's an even bigger fuckup than MGS4.
But, there is a way that it can be done right. Real BB betrays Venom in the end after he goes through all the bullshit and BB takes his accomplishments. It absolutely has to be that way.
It's completely convoluted if you actually play as someone that is physically identical to Big Boss building up his base and having all of the abilities of the most legendary solider in history able to conquer every mission in front of you when you're actually just some guy.
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