Akiyama_AE
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Do we know the amount of endings yet?, I'm trying to know this without spoiling myself lol
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Skullface and Code talker have the crazy parasites, apparently the parasites can give you special powers and may have been behind the creation of the Cobra Unit's power (which again I think is ridiculous, a Native American teamed up with Russian soldiers?
Additionally Quiet and a bunch of other people are apparently all made up of parasites and those boobs she barely covers are actually cancer bumps and caused by the parasites. She and those like her apparently have no gender whatsoever.
I think that's everything that has been said but if I'm wrong anyone feel free to correct me.
One review talked about 3 endings. But maybe there are even more.
Huh? The Cobra Unit was on the british side if I interprete that right, with The Boss working for the SAS. It could very well be that they hired some american misfits. The Fury was russian, but he doesn't even has supernatural powers, it's just a dude with a flamethrower and a cool suit. Sorrow only went to work after the war for the sowjets. It's very possible that everyone but Fury was picked up in the states for being special. Excluding The Pain, who is just a crazy bee dude and thus could very well be british. Not saying that it'S like this or that it would be cool, but it could very well be.
The Sorrow, The Fury and The End were Russian.
The Boss participated in joint operations with the SAS but she wasn't a member.
SomedayTheFire
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That sounds... Odd.
Did someone confirm this or are we taking that one posters theory as fact?
I don't know. Van der Waals force is a very specific thing. It could explain Vamp and the Frog's sticking to walls, but it definitely doesn't explain something like this:
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Or Vamp's superhuman speed. Or his ability to "read" muscle movement. Or that red aura that made him invincible for a period of time. Or his "hypnosis" ability that let him immovilize people by binding their shadows...
Since those abilities are left unexplained, we can only assume they were supernatural.
Didn't they explain in MGS2 that this wasn't real water? It was some kind of heavily oxygenated liquid that was made to look and behave like water at first glance. The oxygen content made it hard for normal people to maintain buoyancy, but Vamp (perhaps with the aid of his special shoes) trained himself to walk across it.
As for his other traits like his speed and aura, these were also explained as being caused by nanomachines. In MGR, there is a character with similar and perhaps greater abilities that are directly attributed to heavy nanomachine use.
And as for pinning shadows to the floor to hypnotize an opponent, it's worth noting that this was only used one time, against one opponent. An opponent who was already suffering from visual and auditory hallucinations.
Omnistalgic
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damn man, I just wanted an epic Solid vs. Big Boss finale -_-
Kojima should have just made Outer Haven and Zanzibar for us...
Still can't wait to play this one though.
Kojima should have just made Outer Haven and Zanzibar for us...
Still can't wait to play this one though.
mgs2master2
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I haven't doubted you, I don't think I even paid attention to when you said it lol.
1) It is water that contains very high levels of microorganisms. In fact, any normal person who fell in there would drop like a rock instantly due to no buoyancy. The Colonel and Rose even warn Raiden that falling in there would be lethal. Yet Vamp is able to stand and even sit over it. Hell, he is even able to SWIM in that thing. Again, this is not explained. His shoes, even if they had that van der waals stuff, would not sustain him over the surface of water. Besides, he is first seen SITTING over it.
2) You are making a huge assumption here. No game ever explained Vamp's glow or super speed. Certainly not MGS4, and certainly not with nanomachines.
3) So you are saying that Vamp was just lucky with this? I don't believe that.
MAX PAYMENT
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I definitely didn't pay attention to him.
But his theory is rather obvious. It's not unheard of for games to have proper endings the require more work.
Sumio Mondo
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Don't forget Schneider. He's the original cyborg ninja! ...Everyone always forgets about Black Ninja.
MoonsaultSlayer
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What's the gameplay twist/mind job in this one?
MGS gave us the Mantis fight. 2 had the fission mailed and Arsenal Gear virus. 3 had the Sorrow river walk and 4's was the "hug me" portion of the BB fights and return to Shadow Moses (in more than one way). Anything like that reported?
MGS gave us the Mantis fight. 2 had the fission mailed and Arsenal Gear virus. 3 had the Sorrow river walk and 4's was the "hug me" portion of the BB fights and return to Shadow Moses (in more than one way). Anything like that reported?
This looks crazy even by Metal Gear standards. Twin Snakes cutscene standards
Also, reason number 32 that quiet design makes no sense =P
Exactly, it's always been like this with Kojima... I'm even starting to think that he doesn't know the reasons (logical reasons I mean) behind some of the things or characters he invented... and it's fine to me, as long as the game doesn't end like Lost
I read somewhere that other than the cancer thing she is almost naked for a sort of "photosynthesis"process of her skin... makes sense?
Pinning shadows is explained as a form of hypnotism in MGS2, as far as I remember.
So someone I was talking to just blew my mind by wondering if Miller actually has no idea about Venom/Fake Big Boss because he's blind, meaning Ocelot would be the only person on Motherbase who would know the truth.
The end of PW revealed that Miller has been in contact with Zero and knows of the clones.
Big Boss probably forged a plan with Ocelot to have a Body double take his place and run Diamond Dogs with Ocelot Keeping watch, While Miller thinks he's working with the real Big Boss and assumes he doesn't know that he was in contact with Zero.
The end of PW revealed that Miller has been in contact with Zero and knows of the clones.
Big Boss probably forged a plan with Ocelot to have a Body double take his place and run Diamond Dogs with Ocelot Keeping watch, While Miller thinks he's working with the real Big Boss and assumes he doesn't know that he was in contact with Zero.
-Stryder-
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It sounds like there is only one ending. It's an ending where the closure is somewhere else in the game if you look hard enough.
KOMANI
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Now you understand why he's so pissed
Maybe he doesn't trust Augmentations :>
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Is Miller confirmed to be blind? He seems to be able to move around and specifically see where Big Boss is.
Is this just the guide map? I thought the earlier photo I saw just said "Africa" but can't find a photo of it.
Angola is a country in Africa.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Yeah, but they thought they saw a map that just read "Africa". So they're wondering if this is just the map from the guide and why it differs from the they saw.
evil solrac v3.0
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Except according to the game. Miller had been missing only ten days prior to the first mission so certain,y miller would have seen venom/BB before being tortured and blinded.
I read somewhere that other than the cancer thing she is almost naked for a sort of "photosynthesis"process of her skin... makes sense?
Considering that the old dude who also does photosynthesis in the game is dressed from head to toes .... no
Ahhhhh, I see.
Well you're not considering that seeing an old man saggy tits doesn't make the same effect of seeing the huge jugs of a semi-naked girl
... well it does for a gay gerontosexual I suppose....
I'm not taking it as fact, just one of the theories floating around, hence the "apparently".
Edit: Also I think it's also the same person that started the Venom Snake isn't Big Boss discussion first but I might be wrong on that.
Gun Animal
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since we're in the spoiler thread, Kaz is definately not blind to start and he basically admits to Big Boss that he was colluding with Zero in the first mission of TPP. Source: Kinda Funny Games
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Yes this. Just remembering wrong probably.
Gun Animal
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Probably because he's missing more arm than Snake, and Huey's "legs" are probably designed for paralysis and require two whole legs to attach to. It could also just be an emotional thing, maybe he sees it as divine punishment or otherwise is punishing himself by not seeking help.
MAX PAYMENT
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Well Obama's a kid at this time so I figure no one does.
razzmahtazz
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With all the parallels, I'm wondering if they're gonna do one of the MGS4 ending. Venom Snake kills all his men infected with the parasite. Attempts suicide. Big Boss shows up and explains everything. If its Grey Fox, then they walk away to begin FOXHOUND/MG1 stuff, If its someone else BB leaves him to kill himself.
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REPOSTED WITH NEW INFORMATION FROM THE GUIDE ON HUEY, DR. STRANGELOVE, THE "MAN ON FIRE"/VOLGIN AND OTHER MINOR UPDATES IN BOLD!
Just to refresh, the official Italian version of the The Phantom Pain guide printed by Piggyback states the following points.
This information is from these pictures and Twitter conversations with PumaWarrior on the MGS Reddit (AKA Batmariafg), who owns the original manual and took these pictures:
http://batmariafg.imgur.com
Videos proving the validity of the these pictures were also upload by PumaWarrior and can be seen here, where information has additionally been taken from:
http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4
http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4
I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated a lot of these points myself from the pictures in the link.
Other native Italian speakers have also verified the below points.
Thanks to Crossing Eden, Sickboy007, DevilFox on here and Sangivstheworld and Damnfiddles over on the MGS Reddit for further translating and organising some of this information.
GENERAL
NOTE: The excerpt of the guide that this translation is taken from does not clearly state which "Big Boss" is being referred to.
The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations.
These are in addition to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
Just to refresh, the official Italian version of the The Phantom Pain guide printed by Piggyback states the following points.
This information is from these pictures and Twitter conversations with PumaWarrior on the MGS Reddit (AKA Batmariafg), who owns the original manual and took these pictures:
http://batmariafg.imgur.com
Videos proving the validity of the these pictures were also upload by PumaWarrior and can be seen here, where information has additionally been taken from:
http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4
http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4
I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated a lot of these points myself from the pictures in the link.
Other native Italian speakers have also verified the below points.
Thanks to Crossing Eden, Sickboy007, DevilFox on here and Sangivstheworld and Damnfiddles over on the MGS Reddit for further translating and organising some of this information.
GENERAL
- Avatar creation is for the online elements only.
- The are 50 main missions.
- There are 157 side missions.
- The alternate name of the ST-84 Metal Gear is confirmed to be the Sahelathropus.
- The ST-84's cockpit is so small that only a child can pilot it.
- The ST-84 Metal Gear has 6 body parts. Every part has its own life bar and destroying each part gives different advantages.
- There is a mission where you have to recover the AI mammal pod from Peace Walker.
- Zero orders Dr. Strangelove, who now works for DARPA, to develop The Patriots' AI to keep his control over the world.
- In the penultimate mission of the main story, you must make contact with and recover Code Talker. Code Talker is being guarded by The Skulls.
- The final mission of the main story is against the Metal Gear, which is being controlled by "The Third Child".
- The guide says it's safe to assume that Eli is Liquid Snake.
- Eli's codename is White Mamba.
- The map confirms there are three main locations; Afghanistan, Africa and Mother Base.
- Mission 46 is missing from from the guide. It does exist, but the player has to fulfill very specific conditions to access it. Konami asked Piggy Back to not to reveal how to unlock the mission or detail it's content. However, Piggy Back will gradually supply information and updates online as they become available. The website will be www.piggyback.com/it/mgsv or the player can use a Quick Response code.
- Most S Rank times for missions are around 10-15 minutes. The secret mission S Rank time is 30 minutes.
- 12 secret tapes are unlocked by completing the secret mission.
- A Cyborg Ninja outfit can be unlocked.
- There are 19 soldiers that will join Motherbase voluntarily if you have a Ground Zeroes save. The Eye and The Finger are two of these recruits and the other 17 join you you by Mission 12.
- With a Ground Zeroes save and the Deja Vu mission from GZ completed, a Solid Snake outfit will be unlocked.
- The guide states that Skullface is the main antagonist of Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain and that he was born in Hungary, where his parents worked in a secret weapons factory.
- During the bombing of the weapons factory he was knocked down and trampled on by terrified crowds fleeing in search of safety. This caused Skullface very serious injuries.
- Abandoned in critical condition and without any possibility of cure with conventional means, he survived thanks to a innovative therapy with parasites. However, this therapy also it caused his deformation and damage to his nervous system, meaning he can no longer feel pain.
- He was then recruited in secret by Major Zero and his mandate with the XOF unit was to watch over Big Boss and make sure that his important missions didn't fail. This includes Operation Snake Eater from Metal Gear Solid 3.
- Working for Zero and watching over Big Boss for many years led to him resenting the two of them, particularly Zero.
- Skullface attacks Mother Base in 1975 during the events of Ground Zeroes and tries to kill Big Boss by implanting bombs inside Paz
- When Skullface discovers that Zero and Strangelove are making The Partriot AI, he develops a parasite that infects peoples' voice boxes and stops them from speaking. This parasite is developed by Code Talker, who has the cure, but does want to share it.
- The Cobra Unit from MGS3 were the begininning of Code Talker's experimentations with these parasites.
- Because of the information supplied by Paz at the end of Ground Zeroes, Skullface finds Zero and infects him with the parasite. This causes Zero to slowly go into a vegetive state.
- Skullface plans to spread the parasite using the ST-84 Metal Gear.
- Skullface nearly completes his plan, but his overthrown by "The Third Child" after Mantis becomes enraged by Eli's presence in the XOF helicopter.
- Skullface is crushed by the ST-84 Metal Gear and Miller and Big Boss decide to leave him to die, so he can suffer.
- However, Huey ignores this idea and finally kills Skullface.
- The guide strongly suggests through clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the version of Big Boss who awakens from the coma in the hospital. This version of Big Boss is known as Ahab.
- The guide notes that Big Boss and the Medic have similar voices, so he is a strong candidate for being the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital.
- The guide continues by saying that in Ground Zeroes, the Medic is one of Big Boss' "most trusted men".
- The guide also says that the Big Boss we see on the operating table in the "Don't you die on me dammit!" scene from the trailers does not have shrapnel in his head. The guide suggests that the Medic is the person to most likely have the shrapnel in his head, while also being the same hospital room, as he protected Big Boss from the Paz's bomb blast in the chopper in Ground Zeroes.
- Huey is not sure of Big Boss/Ahab's identity when he first meets him.
- The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that since Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match. The guides says this again gives a glue to Ahab's identity.
- The guide notes that when Eli asks Ocelot where his father is, Ocelot replies that "Your father isn't here". This is despite the fact that Ahab is watching their conversation behind a two-way mirror.
- These images of the official guide from UK based store Game, further confirm there is a Big Boss with his left arm intact in The Phantom Pain. Instead of shrapnel, this version of Big Boss also appears to have a "V" shaped scar on the right side of his forehead.
http://img.game.co.uk/images/content/SpecialEditions/MGSVTPPCollectorsGuide.jpg
http://img.game.co.uk/ml2/4/0/6/3/406318_scr3_a.png
http://www.game.co.uk/en/metal-gear...rs-edition-strategy-guide-only-at-game-653197
This image is a cleaner version of the this picture from the Italian guide:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150823013609/metalgear/images/2/20/S0FRdxk.jpg
- The guide doesn't definitely say who Ishmeal is. Konami and Kojima Production asked Piggyback, the creators of the guide, not to reveal it. Ishmael's identity is revealed in an optional mission after the main story has ended.
- The guide does however, go over some fan theories and gives clues towards the true identity of Ishmael.
- The guide discusses the theory that Ishmael is imaginary. It says that this can't be the case as Quiet sees Ishmael when she comes to assassinate the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in the hospital.
- The guides further states that as Big Boss/Ahab is sat in the left-hand seat of the right-hand driven ambulance that's used to escape the hospital, Ishamel must be real.
- However, Ishmael suddenly disappears when the ambulance crashes. Ocelot rescues Big Boss/Ahab from the ambulance after the crash. Big Boss/Ahab asks Ocelet who Ishmael was, but Ocelot deliberately ignores the question.
- The guide says that the fact that there are "The Star of Bethlehem" lilies in the Ishmael's and Big Boss/Ahab's room is a strong clue to the real identity of Ishmael. The guide also states that these lilies hold a significance to The Boss.
- When Ahab sees the ghost of Paz the first time at Mother Base, he has an hallucination where there are clearly two versions of Big Boss on the chopper.
- Quiet's hearing is ten times more sensitive than normal soldiers.
- Her vision is unaffected by time of day, so there is no difference in her sight between night and day.
- Quiet leaves you after mission 43 and to finish her story you will have to find her after the main story is over.
- Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss at the start of the game and speaks while doing so. She specifically says "Not yet. The patient in the next bed saw my face" in regards to if she has assassinated Big Boss/Ahab.
- Quiet is the carrier of the vocal cord parasites.
- She was badly injured during the hospital attack in the Prologue, but her abilities were enhanced by these parasites. [/B]
- Quiet doesn't talk out of respect for Big Boss.
- After she leaves Diamond Dogs, Big Boss goes to find her in an optional mission. He succeeds but he's then bitten by a poisonous snake while escaping. Quiet must speak during this mission in order to save Big Boss.
- At the end of this mission, Quiet disappears alone into the desert.
- Water has a negative affect of Quiet's powers.
- If you spray Quiet with water she will "writhe", because the parasites inside her are absorbing the water. She also reacts to rain.
- The guide states that Big Boss' relation with Quiet is based on mutual respect and has no traditional romantic connotation. It goes on to say that this doesn't diminish the importance of their relationship or Quiet's sacrifice when saving Big Boss.
- Quiet has an optional Sniper Wolf outfit that can be unlocked.
- Dr. Strangelove is Octacon's mother.
- Strangelove and Huey have a huge falling out after Huey's suggests using a young Octagon as a test subject for piloting the Sahelanthropous/ST-84 Metal Gear.
- Dr. Strangelove dies after she accidentally gets stuck inside the mammal pod and Huey lets her suffocate inside.
- Huey also somehow causes a parasite outbreak at Motherbase and is banished afterward.
- Huey goes on to live after being banished from Motherbase and meets Emma's mother.
- The are three versions of The Skulls; A fog Version, an armoured version and a camouflage version.
- All versions of The Skulls have health that slowly regenerates over time.
- Like Quiet, they also have a negative reaction to water and rain.
- You can fulton every type of Skull, leading to different rewards.
- After being fultoned, The Skulls are kept on the quarantine strut of Motherbase.
- Like Quiet, they have perfect vision during night time and you can them breathing if you listen aiming with one of thier sniper rifles.
- Destroying the "fog version" Skulls' body parts rapidly reduce their health and resistance.
- Fultoning the "armoured version" Skulls will reward with the player with parasite enhanced armour.
- Fultoning the "camouflage version" Skulls leads to the creation of an item that grants the player 30 seconds on invisibility.
- The "camouflage version"'s body parts can't be destroyed, so headshots are the most useful way to defeat these Skulls.
- The "Man on Fire" is Volgin and he's being possessed by "The Third Child". You have to recover his body in Chapter 2.
- Volgin is actually still alive at the end of MGS3, although he's in a coma and is clinically braindead.
- Russian doctors recover Volgin's body after the events of MGS3 and keep him alive for scientific preservation.
- After Volgin's body is recovered in Chapter 2, his body is kept on the quarantine strut of Motherbase.
- However, his body is eventually crushed by the ST-84 Metal Gear's loading platform.
NOTE: The excerpt of the guide that this translation is taken from does not clearly state which "Big Boss" is being referred to.
- The guide states that at the end of The Phantom Pain, the parasite that mutates peoples' vocal chords infects Mother Base. This forces Big Boss to exterminate his soldiers to prevent a global catastrophe.
- The guide continues by saying that although he takes on this responsibility without any apparent remorse, it's impossible from him to ignore the fact that he has contributed to these events. This causes him to unleash his "inner demon".
- The guide states Big Boss becomes the antagonist gradually, slowly consumed by what happens to him until all that is left is his obsession.
- After these events, Big Boss is more determined than ever to reinforce his troops, with the aim of forming a nation free from the governments' hegemony, a dream he will be on the verge of realising in the 1990's.
- THE SKULLS
Fog Version - Missions 1 and 6.
Armoured Version - Missions 16, 29 and (And 37, 42 on Extreme Difficulty Only).
Camouflage Version - Missions 28 and 46.
- QUIET
Mission 11 (And 40 on Extreme Difficulty Only)
- THE "MAN ON FIRE"
Prologue and Mission 20
- ELI
Mission 23 (and Optional Mission 113).
- SAHELANTHROPUS (METAL GEAR ST-84)
Missions 12 and 31 (And Mission 50 on Extreme Difficulty Only)
The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations.
These are in addition to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
- Laid Back - White Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwATF5dnfq4
- Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWGXt979yg
- Ultravox - Dancing With Tears in My Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWvPMxsDb_s
- Kajagoogoo - Too Shy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nozewQJ4hyw
- Japan - Quiet Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrW3SLcC3OM
- Laura Branigan - Gloria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnJCEuyUac
- Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Right Round (Like a Record)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
- The Cure - Friday I'm in Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2nLEhUcZ0
- Cynhtia Harrell - Snake Eater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsvNl1WiKkk
- Jennifer Rush - Midnight Mirage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nofjO-N3nGo
SargerusBR
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normalmode
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Also a new "Man of Fire"/Volgin section with some interesting details.
BreezyLimbo
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Emmerich curse.
mgs2master2
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What in the ever living fuck?
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