SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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SoulUnison
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Huh, the Last-Gen version looks both way better and somewhat worse than I expected.
I guess I'll do Steam/PC for this one, since my PC is comfortably in the middle between a PS3 and a PS4 and I don't have any next-gen consoles yet.
I guess I'll do Steam/PC for this one, since my PC is comfortably in the middle between a PS3 and a PS4 and I don't have any next-gen consoles yet.
Crossing Eden
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Miller was always working for the West so he can pretty much just walk through the front door.
If he needs a reference (he doesn't) then he has, you know, Big Boss the top commander of that organization to vouch for him.
Ether_Snake
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Which Big Boss?
And why would he go back to work for Cipher after wanting revenge? He realizes it was Skullface who attacked them and somehow isn't angry at Cipher anymore for what happened all along?
SoulUnison
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Did he pop off the guy's helmet before going for his throat!?
That is the most adorable murder EVER!
I think it's in mission 40 (Extreme), but I'm not sure of it.
PeterLegend
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holy fuck that metal gear is scary
HalfBakedProphet
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is it Tuesday yet?
Yeah it's definitely strange. By MG2 he thinks Big Boss is a monster and then he's eventually killed by Liquid?
razzmahtazz
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Assuming from the leaks, Cipher or atleast Zero regrets whats happened. Skullface and XOF was responsible for the destruction of the first MB. It seems like Zero was the one of who set up the hospital in Cyprus. Basing all this on the Zero visiting BB in the hospital.
The part I still dont get is the soldiers seen hunting for BB and VS in the hospital. If they are Cipher, why are they hunting BB and VS. If they are XOF, why are they fighting Mantis and Volgin.
Not even sure if the soldiers there are XOF or Cipher.
Ether_Snake
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Do we know who "V has come to"'s voice is? Is it Quiet?
And BTW, Ishmael doesn't have the snake-shaped scar on his chest. V does though no?
The idea he's not really BB is bullshit, I don't believe it. It seems to make much more sense that Ishmael is a fake BB, because Cipher still want him but on their side, for propaganda purposes or whatever. It's Ishmael who ends up running FOX again, and he's the one who presumably sends SS to kill Big Boss (although I guess in MG1 it was clear it was the same BB, that's a detail...).
Basically they have two BB: one "good" working for Cipher, one "bad" who is pushed to create Outer Heaven. Eventually they have the bad one taken out. What happens to the real one is unknown?
Edit: Also it would explain why Miller goes back to Fox. He was working for Cipher all along.
And BTW, Ishmael doesn't have the snake-shaped scar on his chest. V does though no?
The idea he's not really BB is bullshit, I don't believe it. It seems to make much more sense that Ishmael is a fake BB, because Cipher still want him but on their side, for propaganda purposes or whatever. It's Ishmael who ends up running FOX again, and he's the one who presumably sends SS to kill Big Boss (although I guess in MG1 it was clear it was the same BB, that's a detail...).
Basically they have two BB: one "good" working for Cipher, one "bad" who is pushed to create Outer Heaven. Eventually they have the bad one taken out. What happens to the real one is unknown?
Edit: Also it would explain why Miller goes back to Fox. He was working for Cipher all along.
PLASTICA-MAN
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A weapon to surpass Metal Gear is being created in Africa? What is it? The parasite?
SkylineRKR
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Well the body double thing is almost too obvious in this game. Boss AI outright says its not BB, and then Huey has doubts like 5 seconds later. Skull Face doesn't really care for Venom either, he's like, to Huey hes like i'm going to kill you and your friend. But Sahelanthropus was disappointing in that first showdown.
Also saw the cutscene where snake supposedly turns back to someone watching with one eye. Its nothing.
Also saw the cutscene where snake supposedly turns back to someone watching with one eye. Its nothing.
Ether_Snake
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That the AI doesn't think he's BB can have as much to do with him becoming "a demon".
The story doesn't make sense if he's a double, it only makes sense if he's not. Miller going back to work for Cipher, Ocelot working with a double, the real Big Boss going back to work for Cipher too? Doesn't make sense.
SkylineRKR
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Thats what I mean. I believed in the body double theory but its almost too easy to spot if you're playing the game. There has to be more to it. MGS twists never were easy to see coming.
Maybe he has a split personality, created by the aftermath of the events. The 2 phantoms. Making a confession to himself. Though Ishmael must've been there unless Quiet is revealed to have mentioned someone else who has seen her.
PeterLegend
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Parasite in Africa or the beginning of the Patriot AI system
Sub_Level
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The real BB. Venom is never part of FOXHOUND. This is all assuming the spoilers are true, of course.
If BB knows about Zero's condition then so do Miller and Ocelot. Zero was in on the whole body double thing with Big Boss and co. There was collusion.
Another poster brought up a good point though: Miller thinks BB is a monster in MG2 despite still working with him by the end of Phantom Pain.
One possibility: Miller actually does NOT know Venom wasn't BB and that he really did commit war atrocities. He does not work for FOXHOUND until AFTER the events of MG1 and he is none the wiser.
Another possibility: Miller DOES know Venom wasn't BB but has a falling out with BB before the events of MG2 that we never get to see.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
That's just gross.
What is?
The Emmerich stuff is disturbing but so was their story in MGS2 so kudos to MGSV for being consistent.
Crossing Eden
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That last part was speculation.
Springfoot
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That's just gross.
Looks like photos on a wall but can't tell much more than that. What is it supposed to depict?
Crossing Eden
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Guess who the child is supposed to be.
Looks like photos on a wall but can't tell much more than that. What is it supposed to depict?
SkylineRKR
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Miller just said on the stream that the Cipher they're fighting is a different one, one led by Skull Face. He usurped control over the last 9 years.
So my bet is on Skull Face being behind the hospital raid. As for Mantis, he might've defected at some point or has a whole different motive.
Springfoot
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Thanks!
Guessing that's Hal, son of Strangelove and Huey? Not sure what's gross about it, other than the illustration of young Hal is a bit odd and makes him look like a small girl with really tiny hands?
D'aww, he's adorable. :3
SargerusBR
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That's just gross.
Otacon's head is almost the size of Strangelove's lmao
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sti4thewin
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sure was lol. i would stream from cybergame.tv russian site but i get artifacts and quality is poor.
Ether_Snake
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Well maybe the story is just a real major mess. To me, it seemed like Miller was the traitor, that he has been working for Cipher all along, and that Zero wanted him to help BB form MB so he could use MB through Miller. When the attack happens, he isn't sparred so he thinks he got betrayed by Cipher/Zero, plus he ends up kidnapped and tortured and all (I don't know by who or why?). So he quits working for Cipher, lies to BB by putting the blame on Huey for being the mole, and forms DD with Ocelot and eventually gets BB back, hoping to get revenge at Cipher/Zero.
When he realizes that Cipher/Zero wasn't behind the attack but instead someone who usurped the organization somehow, he and BB and Ocelot take out Skull Face, and basically rekindle with Zero/Cipher. Miller realizes they went too far, that this has to end, and BB would at least seemingly feel the same.
So this ties in fine with MG1. Eventually, presumably in secret (at least as far as Miller is concerned), BB forms Outer Heaven, one would think because of what he went through and because he never wanted to be back working for Cipher/Zero, he just did to get back at them later.
Doesn't all of this make sense? This game seem to break this in ways that are just nonsensical. Miller still works for BB, and yet both are eventually supposed to go back to work for Fox/US/whatever, but now one of the two who goes back is supposed to be a decoy. And in MG1 Big Boss is the same person, be it the one in charge of FOX or Outer Heaven, so when does BB go back to lead FOX then? It doesn't make sense.
The story only makes sense if BB is really BB, and he and Miller take out the usurper Skull Face, effectively having a good excuse for going back to work for Zero/Cipher, which leads to MG1. If there is a decoy, it would have to be MG2's BB if any, as in BB made a backup of himself in case he got taken down. Ocelot would be in on that, because he wants to get back at Zero too, always was on BB's side.
When he realizes that Cipher/Zero wasn't behind the attack but instead someone who usurped the organization somehow, he and BB and Ocelot take out Skull Face, and basically rekindle with Zero/Cipher. Miller realizes they went too far, that this has to end, and BB would at least seemingly feel the same.
So this ties in fine with MG1. Eventually, presumably in secret (at least as far as Miller is concerned), BB forms Outer Heaven, one would think because of what he went through and because he never wanted to be back working for Cipher/Zero, he just did to get back at them later.
Doesn't all of this make sense? This game seem to break this in ways that are just nonsensical. Miller still works for BB, and yet both are eventually supposed to go back to work for Fox/US/whatever, but now one of the two who goes back is supposed to be a decoy. And in MG1 Big Boss is the same person, be it the one in charge of FOX or Outer Heaven, so when does BB go back to lead FOX then? It doesn't make sense.
The story only makes sense if BB is really BB, and he and Miller take out the usurper Skull Face, effectively having a good excuse for going back to work for Zero/Cipher, which leads to MG1. If there is a decoy, it would have to be MG2's BB if any, as in BB made a backup of himself in case he got taken down. Ocelot would be in on that, because he wants to get back at Zero too, always was on BB's side.
Crossing Eden
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Was that at least the end of the cut scene?
Hard to say >.<
I like how (almost) everyone was like "nope" after the mod appeared
sti4thewin
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Was that at least the end of the cut scene?
yeah boss just states he likes working alone and quiet walks away
You gonna try a different site?
instagib.tv or something like that, if you mean that one. He's streaming on hitbox now, maybe they don't take down the stream anymore.
Crossing Eden
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sti4thewin
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i can try hitbox again but i feel like that could get taken down quickly
Crossing Eden
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Dude has been streaming for hours.
Or try this:
http://instagib.tv
It took like two days for hotline to get his last stream taken down ;-)
PLASTICA-MAN
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Mother Base is in Seychelles? Haha a good place for Quiet to sunbathe and lose the top. XD
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