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So why did Big Boss choke wheel-chaired Zero in MGS4? That was actually medic and not BB?

Venom is killed by Solid Snake in 1995.

The person you see at the end of MGS4 is a reconstructed Big Boss, using parts from Solidus and Liquid.

He cut off his air supply to put him out of his misery. As MGSV shows, Zero actually had a falling in, not falling out, with Big Boss during his coma years. They were friends to the end.

Of course we don't get to see much of their friendship beyond the basic commander-soldier relationship in MGS3. MGSV doesn't really much of anything with regards to the Patriots lmao
 
No Medic/Venom is the one that dies in MG1

But Ocelot says the real BB is creating Outer Heaven. So BB creates Outer Heaven, but Medic is the one that gets killed in MG1??

Also, in MG1, who is running Fox and talking to Snake on the codec? Both Big Bosses??

And why did Big Boss have to be reconstructed if he didn't get killed? Or he got killed in Zanzibar? What?

Venom is killed by Solid Snake in 1995.

The person you see at the end of MGS4 is a reconstructed Big Boss, using parts from Solidus and Liquid.

He cut off his air supply to put him out of his misery. As MGSV shows, Zero actually had a falling in, not falling out, with Big Boss during his coma years. They were friends to the end.

Of course we don't get to see much of their friendship beyond the basic commander-soldier relationship in MGS3. MGSV doesn't really much of anything with regards to the Patriots lmao

BB says they were fighting each other to the end, and he had been seeking him out and all to take his life and die too, to end everything.
 
Venom is killed by Solid Snake in 1995.

The person you see at the end of MGS4 is a reconstructed Big Boss, using parts from Solidus and Liquid.

He cut off his air supply to put him out of his misery. As MGSV shows, Zero actually had a falling in, not falling out, with Big Boss during his coma years. They were friends to the end.

Of course we don't get to see much of their friendship beyond the basic commander-soldier relationship in MGS3. MGSV doesn't really much of anything with regards to the Patriots lmao

The biggest part about MGSV is that it shows a very base concept of the S3 concept-Not only shaping a person to do something they're 'programmed' , but that what a legendary soldier is-What the boss was, what BB was, what Solid Snake was, that anyone can be that. That you don't need clones in order to continue a legacy.

There's alot of thematic in's and outs to it that I'm skimming over.
 
But Ocelot says the real BB is creating Outer Heaven. So BB creates Outer Heaven, but Medic is the one that gets killed in MG1??

Also, in MG1, who is running Fox and talking to Snake on the codec? Both Big Bosses??

Big Boss creates Zanzibar, an actual small nation as opposed to the compound/collection of buildings that was Outer Heaven . The real Big Boss only creates the meme of Outer Heaven, not the actual 1995 Outer Heaven. That is Venom's work.

The real Big Boss is running FOXHOUND and sends Solid to kill Venom.

BB says they were fighting each other to the end, and he had been seeking him out and all to take his life and die too, to end everything.

As MGSV shows, Zero was essentially comatose from the 80s or even late 70s to when he died. He did not run ANYTHING in the Patriots during that time, it was Skullface who essentially became Cipher followed by Strangelove's AIs which were JUST barely completed.
 
Venom is killed by Solid Snake in 1995.

The person you see at the end of MGS4 is a reconstructed Big Boss, using parts from Solidus and Liquid.

He cut off his air supply to put him out of his misery. As MGSV shows, Zero actually had a falling in, not falling out, with Big Boss during his coma years. They were friends to the end.

Of course we don't get to see much of their friendship beyond the basic commander-soldier relationship in MGS3. MGSV doesn't really much of anything with regards to the Patriots lmao

I don't know about the friends til the end bit.

At the end of MGS 4, BB talks about Zero and the Patriots hunting him til the end, and also mentions how he no longer feels hate when he looks at Zero, but pity.

I watched the Epilogue to MGS 4 after the main spoiler for Phantom Pain leaked and a lot of matches up... except those two things... unless Zero and BB have another falling out after Phantom Pain.
 
But Ocelot says the real BB is creating Outer Heaven. So BB creates Outer Heaven, but Medic is the one that gets killed in MG1??

Also, in MG1, who is running Fox and talking to Snake on the codec? Both Big Bosses??

bruh just don't take anything from those two old games as strict canon besides the big main plot points. "Big Boss creates some thing called Outer Heaven/Zanzibar Land and Solid Snake stops him twice(first time he unknowingly killed Venom) and he beats Gray Fox too" anything beyond that? Who knows anymore.

That time period is just shrouded in mystery at this point.
 
Metal Gear was always Anime™

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Also, alot of people were mentioning how the ST-84 is all hi-tech compared to the Rex and Ray(When the launch trailer came out)...but the truth is the Rex and Ray were never that hi-tech to begin with, in terms of purpose. REX was always just a mobile platform that needed an armored ground unit in order to not be wrecked by one person with an anti-air launcher, RAY is likewise only meant to be able to take out stationary Metal Gears/Lightly defended Metal Gears. Even Arsenal Gear/Outer Haven needed full land, air, and sea support in order to function properly. The ST-84 compared to a mobile nuclear stealth platform isn't all that scary, especially since it seems to be lacking decent anti-air defences.

That's a rant.
The entire metal gear concept has always been laughable. In the Kojima-verse they'll invent these in 2199
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I don't know about the friends til the end bit.

At the end of MGS 4, BB talks about Zero and the Patriots hunting him til the end, and also mentions how he no longer feels hate when he looks at Zero, but pity.

I watched the Epilogue to MGS 4 after the main spoiler for Phantom Pain leaked and a lot of matches up... except those two things... unless Zero and BB have another falling out after Phantom Pain.

The Patriots hunting him refers to the AIs.

Remember in that last MGS4 scene Big Boss talks about how the AIs mutated and drove the war economy. They became something that Zero and Strangelove could not have possibly foreseen (that's an actual quote).

Did you see the spoiler in this thread about the tape that Zero left BB? He tells him about how he protects him in the hospital before he succumbs to Skullface's parasite.
 
The entire metal gear concept has always been laughable. In the Kojima-verse they'll invent these in 2199
Delta-II_class_nuclear-powered_ballistic_missle_submarine_2.jpg

I still say REX's Rail Gun is a fictional weapon that would be totally practical. Rail Guns are actually consistently being worked on nowadays in military R&D.

Criticize the mechs if you want, but the Rail Gun is legit. Also the Arsenal Gears are basically submarines.
 
The Patriots hunting him refers to the AIs.

Remember in that last MGS4 scene Big Boss talks about how the AIs mutated and drove the war economy. They became something that Zero and Strangelove could not have possibly foreseen (that's an actual quote).

Did you see the spoiler in this thread about the tape that Zero left BB? He tells him about how he protects him in the hospital before he succumbs to Skullface's parasite.
I got all that, but BB literally says "Zero and the Patriots" were hunting him. If he had just said Patriots it would have lined up.
 
I got all that, but BB literally says "Zero and the Patriots" we're hunting him. If he had just said Patriots it would have lined up.

An inconsistency or BB was referring to Zero before the events of Ground Zeroes. They DID have a breakup, and as Peace Walker shows they were at odds with each other.
 
The entire metal gear concept has always been laughable. In the Kojima-verse they'll invent these in 2199
Delta-II_class_nuclear-powered_ballistic_missle_submarine_2.jpg

Funnily enough, MGRAY can easily outmaneuver that and destroy it single-handedly.

Make no mistake, Metal Gear REX and Metal Gear RAY are powerful weapons. But they're not the end all. Not even Arsenal or Outer Haven are end alls. REX is a threat because it's ability to launch a Nuclear weapon from anywhere, in any terrain. RAY is a threat because of it's mobility and ability to destroy small convoys as well as being an anti-metal gear. IRVINEs are probably one of the best anti-personnel units available.

They could probably cause alot of damage, but a good airstrike or concentrated missile would be enough to cripple and destroy them. Kojima realizes then when in MGS4 they literally just jack the railgun from REX and leave it.

In-universe, it makes sense @_@
 
Yeah, it doesn't seem like reading the future to me if part of the LET project is culling the weaker variants. They're probably going to fight at some point in that case! I don't know how it can be something from fanfiction either since it actually happened in the other game.
Fanfiction writers have a tendency to "foreshadow" important events that happen later in a series, usually through really clunky expositional dialogue.
 
An inconsistency or BB was referring to Zero before the events of Ground Zeroes. They DID have a breakup, and as Peace Walker shows they were at odds with each other.
It's no biggie, really. One (or two) line(s) of inconsistency being the only issues between that 20-minute monologue (where BB basically runs through the whole MGS timeline) and this curveball of a twist in MGS V, then we're pretty well off.
 
I still say REX's Rail Gun is a fictional weapon that would be totally practical. Rail Guns are actually consistently being worked on nowadays in military R&D.

Criticize the mechs if you want, but the Rail Gun is legit. Also the Arsenal Gears are basically submarines.

Rail guns are legit, but you won't see anyone mounting them on bipedal tanks.
 
Fanfiction writers have a tendency to "foreshadow" important events that happen later in a series, usually through really clunky expositional dialogue.

I can see where overuse of that technique in the community can result in backlash, especially if it happens so much you can't avoid it if you're part of that community. That being said, I think context is important. In the context of this game, using foreshadowing for this purpose, to me, is ok. I'm kind of laughing at the idea of someone considering one of the core components of storytelling is bad or hacky... However, in the case of fanfiction if it is as you said, I can understand the viewpoint then. It definitely seems like a really lazy way to latch your own work onto someone else's established world.

Thanks for the reply and explanation, I do appreciate it, and I'll drop it now (I honestly don't bother with fanfiction at all, so you can see where my ignorance is showing)

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True, it sucks. Mentioning Metal gear by name was also ridiculous in 3.

Honestly, it's not that bad. It's just a huge 'HEY FANS YOU LIKE THIS EH EH EHHHH'. To anyone who has no idea what the series is(Or was about in MGS3) it's just cryptic. I can see people who've never played MGSV picking this game up, being confused as fuck, and then lamenting that they'll never be able to replay the old games without a PS3.

All I'm saying is, they need to release the games on Steam.
 
Venom is killed by Solid Snake in 1995.

The person you see at the end of MGS4 is a reconstructed Big Boss, using parts from Solidus and Liquid.

He cut off his air supply to put him out of his misery. As MGSV shows, Zero actually had a falling in, not falling out, with Big Boss during his coma years. They were friends to the end.

Of course we don't get to see much of their friendship beyond the basic commander-soldier relationship in MGS3. MGSV doesn't really much of anything with regards to the Patriots lmao

Big Boss creates Zanzibar, an actual small nation as opposed to the compound/collection of buildings that was Outer Heaven . The real Big Boss only creates the meme of Outer Heaven, not the actual 1995 Outer Heaven. That is Venom's work.

The real Big Boss is running FOXHOUND and sends Solid to kill Venom.



As MGSV shows, Zero was essentially comatose from the 80s or even late 70s to when he died. He did not run ANYTHING in the Patriots during that time, it was Skullface who essentially became Cipher followed by Strangelove's AIs which were JUST barely completed.

What's the difference between Outer Heaven and Zanibar? Same shit, plus he gets killed by Snake anyway, makes no sense. Also, Venom acts like he knows Snake when he fights him, how come?
 
What's the difference between Outer Heaven and Zanibar? Same shit, plus he gets killed by Snake anyway, makes no sense. Also, Venom acts like he knows Snake when he fights him, how come?

Because the original game was made almost 30 years ago, and I severely doubt that Kojima was thinking this shit through back then.

Honestly, I don't really mind him retconning the original two games, but it probably would've been an easier pill to swallow if he'd stayed on long enough to actually remake them and fix up the canon.
 
What's the difference between Outer Heaven and Zanibar? Same shit, plus he gets killed by Snake anyway, makes no sense. Also, Venom acts like he knows Snake when he fights him, how come?

I'm not making an argument for WHY this twist happened. I'm just telling you HOW the events happened. There are plenty of subplots in the series where you could say: "Well, why even introduce X in the first place?"

As for Venom's dialogue, it's possible that he was in collusion with the real BB somehow and he told them to say that because

Because the original game was made almost 30 years ago, and I severely doubt that Kojima was thinking this shit through back then.

Honestly, I don't really mind him retconning the original two games, but it probably would've been an easier pill to swallow if he'd stayed on long enough to actually remake them and fix up the canon.

Well he only really changed up 1. MG2 is still good 'ole MG2. Holds up pretty well for a 25 year old game.
 
Because the original game was made almost 30 years ago, and I severely doubt that Kojima was thinking this shit through back then.

Honestly, I don't really mind him retconning the original two games, but it probably would've been an easier pill to swallow if he'd stayed on long enough to actually remake them and fix up the canon.

It's still amazing what he's managed to do. He's managed to take what, lore made over 30 years and somehow wrap it around so that most of the story is coherent? At this point the only plot holes in the series are what Snake did after Zanzibarland/inbetween Shadow Moses, the creation of Philanthropy and their exploits around the world, and the rescue of Sunny.

Otherwise most of it is covered. In the best Kojima way possible.
 
I'm not making an argument for WHY this twist happened. I'm just telling you HOW the events happened. There are plenty of subplots in the series where you could say: "Well, why even introduce X in the first place?"

As for Venom's dialogue, it's possible that he was in collusion with the real BB somehow and he told them to say that because

Jesus it's so stupid. What's the point of all this?

"Oh we have a fake Big Boss, but the real Big Boss is doing exactly what the fake Big Boss would have done anyway".

The idea that there is two Big Bosses changes NOTHING, at all, except "well it explains why Snake kills him in MG1 and yet he is still alive... but then Snake kills BB for real in MG2 except he's still alive anyway so...".

It's twists that don't serve any purpose at all. Also, it doesn't even make sense that Big Boss would even want to make a military nation. Since MGS3, the Big Boss we have known has had no reason at all to become MG1/MG2's Big Boss, not even Venom does. Kojima never managed to bring himself to make Big Boss actually turn evil, so nothing makes sense.

Anyway, too bad, MGS3 remains the best, so much so that I wonder if Kojima really had much to do with the plot, a bit like Lucas with the OT :p
 
I'm not making an argument for WHY this twist happened. I'm just telling you HOW the events happened. There are plenty of subplots in the series where you could say: "Well, why even introduce X in the first place?"

As for Venom's dialogue, it's possible that he was in collusion with the real BB somehow and he told them to say that because



Well he only really changed up 1. MG2 is still good 'ole MG2. Holds up pretty well for a 25 year old game.

It has its inconsistencies, like Dr Madnar randomly being alive by the time of MGS4 and Snake seemingly not giving a shit that the dude he'd apparently missile'd to death years earlier somehow managed to shake it off.
 
Jesus it's so stupid. What's the point of all this?

"Oh we have a fake Big Boss, but the real Big Boss is doing exactly what the fake Big Boss would have done anyway".

The idea that there is two Big Bosses changes NOTHING, at all, except "well it explains why Snake kills him in MG1 and yet he is still alive... but then Snake kills BB for real in MG2 except he's still alive anyway so...".

It's twists that don't serve any purpose at all. Also, it doesn't even make sense that Big Boss would even want to make a military nation. Since MGS3, the Big Boss we have known has had no reason at all to become MG1/MG2's Big Boss, not even Venom does. Kojima never managed to bring himself to make Big Boss actually turn evil, so nothing makes sense.

Anyway, too bad, MGS3 remains the best, so much so that I wonder if Kojima really had much to do with the plot, a bit like Lucas with the OT :p

wat, there is reason for Big Boss making a military nation/utopia for soldiers. That is what Peace Walker is about.

As for the 'coincidence' that both V. Snake and BB made utopias, is because at this point V. Snake is nothing but a 'clone' of BB. He's like Liquid Ocelot in a way, in that he's pretty much brainwashed into thinking he's this other person. He is at best, a faulty narrator. We know exactly what he is.

So then comes that BB doesn't want him around, and sends Snake to kill him. V.Snake, being nothing but an empty shell of BB.
 
I can see where overuse of that technique in the community can result in backlash, especially if it happens so much you can't avoid it if you're part of that community. That being said, I think context is important. In the context of this game, using foreshadowing for this purpose, to me, is ok. I'm kind of laughing at the idea of someone considering one of the core components of storytelling is bad or hacky... However, in the case of fanfiction if it is as you said, I can understand the viewpoint then. It definitely seems like a really lazy way to latch your own work onto someone else's established world.

Thanks for the reply and explanation, I do appreciate it, and I'll drop it now (I honestly don't bother with fanfiction at all, so you can see where my ignorance is showing)
I don't bother with fanfiction at all either, it's just one of the biggest known things about fanfiction.
Honestly, it's not that bad. It's just a huge 'HEY FANS YOU LIKE THIS EH EH EHHHH'
Lol that's why it sucks. It should be way more subtle.
 
Rail guns are legit, but you won't see anyone mounting them on bipedal tanks.

I think it's a situation where Kojima just came up with "walking tank" because it was 1987 and he was only 24 and writing a dumb computer game, but then he was kind of stuck with it because, hey, the series is named after it, so he was stuck making excuses or sidestepping it for the rest of the series.

-Metal Gear 2's initial release actually took place in a totally unrealistic world when the US and the USSR have completed total nuclear disarmament, so when Zanzibarland steals nuclear material slated for disposal with its Metal Gear, it's the only nuclear power. (future MGS games obviously retconned this part)

-MGS1 sort of acknowledges that stealth bombers and nuclear submarines make Metal Gear redundant, but uses the rail gun/stealth warhead aspect to handwave it away (though as you noted, a railgun doesn't need a walking tank). I think there might also have been an implication in the Codecs that REX was also something of a pet project for defense firms that was seeing a lot of bribe money being thrown around.

-MGS2 sidesteps it by having RAY having no nuclear weapons at all. Arsenal Gear has nuclear weapons, but it's just a giant submarine with a huge ass server farm inside of it, not a true Metal Gear at all.

-MGS3 has the Shagohod, which is depicted as a product of space race-era Soviet rocket madness (a rocket-powered tank that uses its own ground acceleration as the first stage of an ICBM). There's a radio conversation where right after meeting Granin (the actual creator of the Metal Gear concept), you talk to your tech and hardware specialist, who is baffled by the idea of a bipedal tank and openly points out how impractical and redundant it is.

-MGS4 again sidesteps the issue entirely. The only new mechs are Gekkos, which are essentially glorified bipedal Big Dogs with guns on them.

-Peace Walker had... Peace Walker (aka Basilisk) which had the twist of it being controlled by an AI and only used for nuclear deterrence. It was essentially supposed to be the basis for a network of Dr. Strangelove doomsday devices: they would be camouflaged from radar and satellite, automatically wander or hide in terrain, and either launch medium range missiles or wander into enemy territory and detonate their warheads to self destruct. Which... is still pretty silly. A lot of Peace Walker is silly.

-Revengeance (though not written by Kojima) had RAYs simply as giant combat mechs, and Metal Gear EXCELSUS at the end is pointed out to be more of a giant spider-mech. It's not bipedal, has no nukes, and a Codec conversation reveals that it's only branded "Metal Gear" for... essentially brand recognition, because actual Metal Gears are strategically pointless.




I can't remember what Portable Ops had. There was RAXA, which was a big ugly machine thing that was boring, and then there was the REAL Metal Gear which was.... attached to the front of an ICBM, because fuck it, just ignore the whole goddamned idea behind Metal Gear to begin with I guess
 
Anyway, too bad, MGS3 remains the best, so much so that I wonder if Kojima really had much to do with the plot, a bit like Lucas with the OT :p

Well, it's like Snake implies in MGS2. Find your own canon to believe in. For me, MGS ends with Raiden standing in that street with Rose, Snake having left to go hunt Liquid. As for Big Boss, he was sufficiently given a motivation to become an antagonist with Snake Eater. You could use your imagination as to how he became disillusioned with the establishment and became some sort of crazy mercenary warlord.

It has its inconsistencies, like Dr Madnar randomly being alive by the time of MGS4 and Snake seemingly not giving a shit that the dude he'd apparently missile'd to death years earlier somehow managed to shake it off.

Wasn't there a theory Raiden was referring to Madnar's daughter? It would be funny if it was the actual Madnar.
 
Jesus it's so stupid. What's the point of all this?

"Oh we have a fake Big Boss, but the real Big Boss is doing exactly what the fake Big Boss would have done anyway".

The idea that there is two Big Bosses changes NOTHING, at all, except "well it explains why Snake kills him in MG1 and yet he is still alive... but then Snake kills BB for real in MG2 except he's still alive anyway so...".

It's twists that don't serve any purpose at all. Also, it doesn't even make sense that Big Boss would even want to make a military nation. Since MGS3, the Big Boss we have known has had no reason at all to become MG1/MG2's Big Boss, not even Venom does. Kojima never managed to bring himself to make Big Boss actually turn evil, so nothing makes sense.

Anyway, too bad, MGS3 remains the best, so much so that I wonder if Kojima really had much to do with the plot, a bit like Lucas with the OT :p

The ending of MGS3 is all that's needed to inform the player as to why Big Boss becomes a warmongering asshole by the time of MG1/2.

Well, it's like Snake implies in MGS2. Find your own canon to believe in. For me, MGS ends with Raiden standing in that street with Rose, Snake having left to go hunt Liquid. As for Big Boss, he was sufficiently given a motivation to become an antagonist with Snake Eater. You could use your imagination as to how he became disillusioned with the establishment and became some sort of crazy mercenary warlord.



Wasn't there a theory Raiden was referring to Madnar's daughter? It would be funny if it was the actual Madnar.

It's never explained. "Dr Madnar" or just "Madnar" (can't quite recall) is mentioned, and that's that.
 
METAL GEAR!?

It's kinda funny that in the series named Metal Gear, Metal Gears themselves are invalidated by modern means. It's a sort of fridge logic.

Like, MGS1 kinda mentions it-That REX is only useful for the railgun. MGS2 nails it over your head, that Arsenal Gear is useless without a full support squadron of RAYs and Air/Sea/Land support. MGS4 nails it further by necessitating the importance of the Rail Gun.

It's funny. For a series named 'Metal Gear', the namesake isn't usually the major threat.
 
The purpose of Venom just seems to be bait for the Patriots to go after. Real BB is making his Outer Haven in secret while Venom is out in the open attracting all the attention.

If Venom somehow succeeds? Great, good job?(this part is weird, who knows if BB came to see Venom as a rival) if he fails then the real BB can come in and blindside everyone with HIS Outer Heaven when the world thinks he's dead.

From those conversations it looks like Venom remains a pawn even after he knows the truth, would've much preferred that he strikes out on his own and his Outer Heaven is created out of revenge.
 
I asked this in another thread but it you don't recruit Quiet is she in the rest of the game or does she just disappear from the main storyline? Thanks guys.
 
So Psycho Mantis was in control of Liquid to control Sahalenthropus in the final battle, then he was in control of Ahab to break the limbs of SkullFace (after bringing Miller's memory to his head) as a revenge for what he did to him. But before that, he stole the third capsule to give it in the final scene to Liquid. Who is in control of those two working under ground and not even behind the curtians? The real Big Bos? And does that mean that Mantis was the real way how Liquid possessed Ocelot through him, since in the final scene we saw Skullface possessing Miller through Mantis?

Oh and BTW, Skullface was aware of Pyscho Mantis and what he was doing since when Ahab asked him where is the thread , he answered very near to you. And what about Volgin? Is he the real evil that still lives and possessed the Sahalanthropus and was helped by Psycho Mantis since both may have power connection because of the same origins?
And if Mother Base had recovered Sahalnthropus, why we didn't see him in the later games or at least a Meatl Gear as advanced it which doesn't need an inside pilot?

WTH is happening? This is really the most mind boggling MGS.
 
It's never explained. "Dr Madnar" or just "Madnar" (can't quite recall) is mentioned, and that's that.

The MGS4 Database says it's the same guy, even if that book has errors:

"His survival was confirmed in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and the Metal Gear Solid 4 Database" <-- From The Wiki.
 
So Psycho Mantis was in control of Liquid to control Sahalenthropus in the final battle, then he was in control of Ahab to break the limbs of SkullFace (after bringing Miller's memory to his head) as a revenge for what he did to him. But before that, he stole the third capsule to give it in the final scene to Liquid. Who is in control of those two working under ground and not even behind the curtians? The real Big Bos? And does that mean that Mantis was the real way how Liquid possessed Ocelot through him, since in the final scene we saw Skullface possessing Miller through Mantis?

Oh and BTW, Skullface was aware of Pyscho Mantis and what he was doing since when Ahab asked him where is the thread , he answered very near to you. And what about Volgin? Is he the real evil that still lives and possessed the Sahalanthropus and was helped by Psycho Mantis since both may have power connection because of the same origins?
And if Mother Base had recovered Sahalnthropus, why we didn't see him in the later games or at least a Meatl Gear as advanced it which doesn't need an inside pilot?

WTH is happening? This is really the most mind boggling MGS.

Psycho Mantis is the most important character of Metal Gear. But like a cool bro he never makes it about himself.
 
The MGS4 Database says it's the same guy, even if that book has errors:

"His survival was confirmed in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and the Metal Gear Solid 4 Database" <-- From The Wiki.

The database is a load of unreliable shit. The Ocelot arm thingy is especially screwed up in the database from what I remember.
 
Is the scene where everyone is looking at the metal gear at mother base after Skull Face dies the ending or just the end of chapter 1? I know there's more but is there a lot more or just replaying old missions at harder difficulty?
 
The database is a load of unreliable shit. The Ocelot arm thingy is especially screwed up in the database from what I remember.

no it isn't, it made sense of it.

He was really possessed in MGS2, then cut it off because Liquid was too uncontrollable and went for the bananamachines/hypnosis approach.
 
The point of Metal Gears is that anyone could essentially become a nuclear power if they had one. It may not be as practical or effective as the weapons of an entire nation, but if you're a terrorist or a wannabe dictator, it definitely helps tip the scales.
 
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