SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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Springfoot said:
I'm quite aware that the player is supposed to believe they're playing as Big Boss with the Medic revelation coming as a surprise, but there are ways to do it that work better than others. The Sixth Sense handled this kind of ending twist masterfully and caught the overwhelming majority of audiences off guard while still establishing proper characterization and breadcrumbs along the way to support it.

From what I've experienced so far, there are a few superficial breadcrumbs, but nothing that comes close to explaining how the Medic character was so tight with Big Boss - more than Ocelot, MIller, or any other named character - that he should have been able to literally become Big Boss in everything from skill set to charisma to speech.

At this point we're having a back and forth over an offhanded parenthetical throwaway idea that's tangential to the original point I was making; however, which was about how Kojima's narratives often suffer as a result of his exclusive focus on themes. Though this does tie into my point about his frequent repurposing of characters with drastically altered personalities to fit whatever theme he's focusing on at the moment (which seems to have happened with every major game after 3).



Why are you in a spoiler thread specifically about discussing spoilers in advance of the game's release, then? Not to mention a lot of us already are playing the game and discussing it as we go along.
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You really can't make everyone happy. I agree with some of your points though.

Maybe you'll feel different when you complete the game, maybe not. It's worth taking the time to reflect on it though instead of just being pissed off about the idea of it as many people have.

Just curious as to what your opinion of MGS2 was and it's twist?
 
The story beats are just so underwhelming. You have "Big Boss" meeting Liquid Snake for the first time and there's like 4 lines of dialogue.
 
Moments like that make me sad that Kiefer doesn't talk a lot during cutscenes. He's so good, you paid him so make him talk. They pulled the exact same shit as when Troy Baker was cast as the lead in Advanced Warfare. There's "stoic" and then there's this.
 
Chamber said:
The story beats are just so underwhelming. You have "Big Boss" meeting Liquid Snake for the first time and there's like 4 lines of dialogue.
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Yeah I dunno man, that just seemed odd. I'm such a sucker for Metal Gear's over-the-top exposition. The cutscenes are half the reason I love the games. If they're all so condensed like this one was, man... I don't want all of the story to be in the tapes.
 
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Chamber said:
The story beats are just so underwhelming. You have "Big Boss" meeting Liquid Snake for the first time and there's like 4 lines of dialogue.
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This is how I feel every time I come across a story scene in these streams. Haven't been impressed by a single cutscene or conversation so far, and I've watched far too much. Kojima went so extreme with the minimalist style that it feels sterile and flat. There's all this movement in the way it's filmed and lots of dramatic zooms and pans, but the delivery is clinical to a fault.

ponpo said:
http://webmshare.com/play/1L7Xg

lmao.

Such a lust for revenge.....WHOOOOOOOOOO?????
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Jesus christ ROFL

This is like 80s anime dub level bad (or great, idk). Good lord.
 
ponpo said:
http://webmshare.com/play/1L7Xg

lmao.

Such a lust for revenge.....WHOOOOOOOOOO?????
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Thanks for the stream but damn at that gif. Regardless of the dub, the script alone puts SF under a very different light compared to trailers... And it's not that good to see him taken away like that, either.

Net_Wrecker said:
This is how I feel every time I come across a story scene in these streams. Haven't been impressed by a single cutscene or conversation so far, and I've watched far too much. Kojima went so extreme with the minimalist style that it feels sterile and flat. There's all this movement in the way it's filmed and lots of dramatic zooms and pans, but the delivery is clinical to a fault.
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I always agree with you when I see your posts but I hope you're wrong here lol
 
Again, taken out of context. That little clip follows not too long after the reveal that the Fire Demon is actually Volgin, whose lust for revenge kept him alive to be experimented on and "feeded the flames of revenge".

That's what Skull Face is referring to. It didn't sound half as embarrassing when I played it.
 
Spainkiller said:
Again, taken out of context. That little clip follows not too long after the reveal that the Fire Demon is actually Volgin, whose lust for revenge kept him alive to be experimented on and "feeded the flames of revenge".

That's what Skull Face is referring to. It didn't sound half as embarrassing when I played it.
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Come on, the delivery and the scene of him being carried away is still ridiculous.
 
DevilFox said:
I always agree with you when I see your posts but I hope you're wrong here lol
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To be clear I'm not judging the entire experience. I haven't seen everything, just commenting that the scene between Rugrat Liquid and Venom is not the first time I've been completely underwhelmed by the narrative presentation in this game. I'm still picking it up because the stealth sandbox is insane, but the narrative delivery is really not doing it for me.
 
Spainkiller said:
Again, taken out of context. That little clip follows not too long after the reveal that the Fire Demon is actually Volgin, whose lust for revenge kept him alive to be experimented on and "feeded the flames of revenge".

That's what Skull Face is referring to. It didn't sound half as embarrassing when I played it.
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It sounds terrible. But it's pretty much a Metal Gear script. It is supposed to be cartoony, cheesy and over-the-top. So I'm okay with it.

Sutherland just doesn't fit with all this craziness. He sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
Remij said:
You're guilty of the same thing then. You're basing your opinion off the fact that you already know that you play as someone else other than the real Big Boss. Remember, you're to believe you are Big Boss at the beginning of TPP. The signs pointed to the medic being Ishmael... it's what you're supposed to believe to draw suspicion away from the opposite being true. The more you develop the medic character, the more personally identifiable he becomes, and the twist loses it's effectiveness, imo.

Anyways, we'll have to wait until the game is out for a while and the community as a whole has time to really dig into the ideas presented and whether they were handled properly or not.
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Why does the twist need to be effective though? Why does it need to be a twist at all outside of Kojima pulling an M. Night?

Kojima builds all his games and promotional material with the intention to deceive and alter your perception, which is interesting in theory, but in practice the plot to all of his games has been scatterbrained and unfocused because of it. Imagine if they had breathing room to explore literally any of the concepts in the series instead of just trying to mess with the player.
 
ShadowKingpin said:
Any way to view that on an iPad?
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4 u https://youtu.be/lnEPtDnt3iE

Spainkiller said:
Again, taken out of context. That little clip follows not too long after the reveal that the Fire Demon is actually Volgin, whose lust for revenge kept him alive to be experimented on and "feeded the flames of revenge".

That's what Skull Face is referring to. It didn't sound half as embarrassing when I played it.
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Yeah maybe, but the "WHHHOOOOOOOOO????" by itself is pretty funny, context or none.
 
Sure, but that's not the point. You're all setting yourself up to dislike the game by experiencing it for the first time in a way like this. You're not playing it. And, to top it all off, you're watching portions of it out of context.

Metal Gear is perhaps the franchise least suited for such a first-time experience, yet you're all doing it, whilst thinking it allows you fair judgment on its quality.

It's more ridiculous than the most ham-fisted delivery will ever be.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
To be clear I'm not judging the entire experience. I haven't seen everything, just commenting that the scene between Rugrat Liquid and Venom is not the first time I've been completely underwhelmed by the narrative presentation in this game. I'm still picking it up because the stealth sandbox is insane, but the narrative delivery is really not doing it for me.
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The one thing i'm definitely not used to is that a good amount of themain missions that don't have any actual cutscenes whatsoever. That definitely will take some getting used to.

Spainkiller said:
Sure, but that's not the point. You're all setting yourself up to dislike the game by experiencing it for the first time in a way like this. You're not playing it. And, to top it all off, you're watching portions of it out of context.

Metal Gear is perhaps the franchise least suited for such a first-time experience, yet you're all doing it, whilst thinking it allows you fair judgment on its quality.

It's more ridiculous than the most ham-fisted delivery will ever be.
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I've been making sure to watch the game chronologically as much as possible. (The two were really consistent in that regard). If that website worked for me i'd probably be watching that to get the full context of the scene.
 
Spainkiller said:
Sure, but that's not the point. You're all setting yourself up to dislike the game by experiencing it for the first time in a way like this. You're not playing it. And, to top it all off, you're watching portions of it out of context.

Metal Gear is perhaps the franchise least suited for such a first-time experience, yet you're all doing it, whilst thinking it allows you fair judgment on its quality.

It's more ridiculous than the most ham-fisted delivery will ever be.
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I saw it on stream, it wasn't out of context.

And while I'm spoiling more for myself than I thought I would, I'm not setting myself up to dislike the game at all. The "gameplay" is all the matters to me for this series so the story can be as goofy as it wants and I won't care too much.

As for others, I don't think they are dismissing the game because of Skullface delivering a line in a goofy way. No one here hates the franchise because of "LIQUUIIIDDD" it's just something to laugh at.
 
Spainkiller said:
Sure, but that's not the point. You're all setting yourself up to dislike the game by experiencing it for the first time in a way like this. You're not playing it. And, to top it all off, you're watching portions of it out of context.

Metal Gear is perhaps the franchise least suited for such a first-time experience, yet you're all doing it, whilst thinking it allows you fair judgment on its quality.

It's more ridiculous than the most ham-fisted delivery will ever be.
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Context doesn't make a bad line good.

"I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with liiiIIIIIIgghht!"
 
I really don't know how Konami will **** the series later. Surely worse than Silent Hill's fate. I need to erase the Metal Gear name from my head after this game.
 
ponpo said:
Pre-emptive mod quote
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Aware, was just asking for the context of that specific scene.

DevilFox said:
It was raining and Quiet was playing with water, getting basically naked. Kojima made sure to make it look like a porn with her movements.
Big Boss sees her and they start to play together like kids.

Wasn't she "allergic" to water?
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Not allergic, quite the opposite really, she seems to enjoy water.
 
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