DryEyeRelief
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...I rather they just make new characters.
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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...I rather they just make new characters.
the hardcore fans do yes, but SF4 is the reason fighting games are even alive today and more people played SF4 then any of the alpha games. you also said it yourself alot of the casual fans tend to taper off so out of the gate you want those core big name SF4 charterers as early DLC not alpha ones
so it makes sense to frontload SF5 with alpha guys or down the line when only the hardcore are left
DryEyeRelief
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People don't want to admit that Mika is Birdie tier on the SF totem pole
The SFV hype is real
The SFV hype is real
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";176895769]Ryu, Ken, Chun and Cammy are holding the cast back by being basically the same characters they've always been. Hell, they took away some of the only new stuff Chun had from the initial reveal.[/QUOTE]
Why do this? Chun needed some changes more so than any other character.
Why do this? Chun needed some changes more so than any other character.
MegamanXZero
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";176895769]Ryu, Ken, Chun and Cammy are holding the cast back by being basically the same characters they've always been. Hell, they took away some of the only new stuff Chun had from the initial reveal.[/QUOTE]
I dno Ken and ryu seem pretty fresh to me. Like kens v skill and ryus denjin shenanigans add a lot to their characters on their own.
Would be down for them to be even more different though I guess.
Agree that chun and cammy are terribly dry atm.
I dno Ken and ryu seem pretty fresh to me. Like kens v skill and ryus denjin shenanigans add a lot to their characters on their own.
Would be down for them to be even more different though I guess.
Agree that chun and cammy are terribly dry atm.
You're right. You don't.
To be fair, that didn't stop Birdie.
Don't underestimate the Wiki Warriors
And actually, in the case of Alex, 3rd Strike Online Edition probably helped him and others from SF3 get some new recognition
The Lone Dragon
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Just because a character was in SF4 doesn't mean they're automatically more popular than characters who weren't.
Do you honestly think Honda or T. Hawk are "more popular" than Karin or Mika?
Do you think Karin or Mika would sell less DLC than Honda or T. Hawk?
(BTW, for those who don't know, character DLC is unlockable for free in SF5...so the idea of selling DLC is kinda misleading)
direct_quote
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Yah I would say third strike characters would be more recently in casual and new players' minds. SFA series definitely less so, only old people like me kappa.Don't underestimate the Wiki Warriors
And actually, in the case of Alex, 3rd Strike Online Edition probably helped him and others from SF3 get some new recognition
But Capcom has from time to time brought out less popular characters they feel would add variety, so hence Birdie. And SFV is really riffing on SFA ...
I mean all of the "popular" and relevant characters were in SFIV anyway...we are getting to the "who?" section of the cast now anyway. ..which is a good thing because perhaps some will now become more popular and relevant going forward..and thus oddballs like Mika, Birdie and the like is exactly what the game could use from jump.
direct_quote
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Will be interesting to hear the projected character dlc count. There's what 8 characters per KI season?
They already talked about it as Street Fighter as a service. They're going to keep bringing out characters until they stop selling.
This is Capcom we're talking about. They're going to keep on bringing characters out even after they stop selling.
Troubled Bat
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I'm sure there's going to be more than 8. Remember that a stage comes with the characters in KI.
Emperor Bohe
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At least Birdie was in 4 games before this
BakedTanooki
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All i need is Fei Long. Are there any news or rumors about him?
There's a poster of Fei Long in Bustling Side Street, but that's it. All signs point to Karin being the rekka character of the SFV base roster.
Well, Birdie sucks so it kind did
Apparently they weren't forgotten. You seem to be ignoring the fact that Capcom directly asked the fanbase what they wanted and are using that feedback when making the decisions.
Remapped88
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Imo, Capcom shouldn't have said anything about the roster size at all. That kinda f'ed up the hype since it confirmed that the leak was true. While I think 16 is a okay number, they should've have a least 20 but I'm guessing they didn't do that because they wanted the game finished and also be Evo's main event next year. After seeing all the characters so far though, I can see why the number is low since they're putting a lot of effort in the characters and even reinventing old ones like M.Bison, Birdie, etc. I think when older SF characters return post launch as DLC, it will be well worth the wait just to see what Capcom has done to freshen them up.
Also I hope they're not too expensive to buy with Fight Money since they "are" DLC that can be bought with real money also. I'm expecting like 1 million FM dollars per character for some reason.....lol.
Also I hope they're not too expensive to buy with Fight Money since they "are" DLC that can be bought with real money also. I'm expecting like 1 million FM dollars per character for some reason.....lol.
After seeing the discussion going on in here today, it's left me with a few thoughts on Karin:
I never really liked any of IV's "Counter" characters as much as I wanted to. Id love to get one that's as fun to play as Kasumi Todoh or Blue Mary. Would hopefully work very well with the V systems in place. I find myself loving the increase of defensive options, so having a fresher character that can really exemplify that would be great.
- I hope they use her as a catalyst for Sakura's growth. Have her come out the gate in a more "Business Casual" outfit, now a leading figure of her family's business. Having shed the schoolgirl motif, A new Sakura would also shed her old dregs, in order to stay relevant to her old rival. Both would Both could get their old looks as DLC (which could even make them look and sound younger, if need be.)
- I'd love to see her moveset turn into something like Rekka Kyo's style from KoF. Not only do they both share branches to Rekka, but he even has a bit of a grapple-like move in a few of his attack branches. A no-damage rekka chain grapple that resets her and opponent to Neutral would be a nice Rekka end. (Virtua Fighter and DOA have moves like this.)
- "Nostalgia" as a demeaning reason for wanting characters to return is an ever-weaker claim. With all the PSN sales, old disk possession, Youtube vids, people STILL playing these games even now... it's easy to refresh one's memory on what a character was like, and if you really like them. We're not in the years where old systems must be unpacked in order to even SEE old games anymore...
I never really liked any of IV's "Counter" characters as much as I wanted to. Id love to get one that's as fun to play as Kasumi Todoh or Blue Mary. Would hopefully work very well with the V systems in place. I find myself loving the increase of defensive options, so having a fresher character that can really exemplify that would be great.
Ono was quite clear during SF4s development that they were focusing on the SSF2 cast and the most popular characters from each series, and that they were avoiding "weirdos" which is short-hand for most of the SF3 cast. Though let's be frank: Blanka, Dhalsim and even Vega and Honda are weirder than a lot of the SF3 cast members.
Anyway. Their stance on SF5 is the opposite. It's "we want to surprise you" and "we don't follow popularity polls", meaning they don't give a fuck and are focusing on gameplay as well as bringing back as many post-2 characters that weren't in 4 as possible. Of the remaining 11 SSF2 cast they brought back Vega, for Ingrid's sake.
For anyone complaining about SF5 going for less popular characters or whining "where are my SF2 characters and Dan and Sakura", if you ever complained about the SF3 cast in the past, calling them "ugly", "weird", "un-SF" or claimed the SF2 cast was the "core" of the franchise, then you have nobody but yourself to blame. SF4 was the series that catered to you, because Capcom were deathly afraid of not capturing as wide an audience as possible by excluding fan favorites.
What if they introduced Simone from Cannon Spike down the line?
Anyway. Their stance on SF5 is the opposite. It's "we want to surprise you" and "we don't follow popularity polls", meaning they don't give a fuck and are focusing on gameplay as well as bringing back as many post-2 characters that weren't in 4 as possible. Of the remaining 11 SSF2 cast they brought back Vega, for Ingrid's sake.
For anyone complaining about SF5 going for less popular characters or whining "where are my SF2 characters and Dan and Sakura", if you ever complained about the SF3 cast in the past, calling them "ugly", "weird", "un-SF" or claimed the SF2 cast was the "core" of the franchise, then you have nobody but yourself to blame. SF4 was the series that catered to you, because Capcom were deathly afraid of not capturing as wide an audience as possible by excluding fan favorites.
What if they introduced Simone from Cannon Spike down the line?
SF4 roster is my least fav in the series, none of the new characters introduced excited me at all even the ones created for later iterations of SF4. Mad respect to Capcom if they actually do avoid all those characters for the initial roster in SFV.
Mika was a relief but the inclusion of Vega makes me scared that maybe the green section is for SF2/4 cast. SF3 roster relagated to dlc would be such a loss. They are my fav and the most vibrant characters since playing SF on my Sega system 20 odd years ago. I would have prefered we get 4 3S reps but a minimum of 2 is sorely needed. If that happens it will be my fav roster since 3S.
Mika was a relief but the inclusion of Vega makes me scared that maybe the green section is for SF2/4 cast. SF3 roster relagated to dlc would be such a loss. They are my fav and the most vibrant characters since playing SF on my Sega system 20 odd years ago. I would have prefered we get 4 3S reps but a minimum of 2 is sorely needed. If that happens it will be my fav roster since 3S.
We're most likely getting at least one SF3 character in the form of an Illuminati rep (see the Charlie Nash comic), so I wouldn't worry.
Tizoc
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";176895769]Ryu, Ken, Chun and Cammy are holding the cast back by being basically the same characters they've always been. Hell, they took away some of the only new stuff Chun had from the initial reveal.[/QUOTE]
Ryu they could keep as is since he's intended for beginners and for one to get accustomed the system.
He's simple and easy to get into and that's fine.
Chun is prob. for the female players, her movelist is way too simple: Lighting Kicks, Spinning bird kick and projectile.
At any rate the game's system and combos makes them stand out on their own in this game.
Ryu they could keep as is since he's intended for beginners and for one to get accustomed the system.
He's simple and easy to get into and that's fine.
Chun is prob. for the female players, her movelist is way too simple: Lighting Kicks, Spinning bird kick and projectile.
At any rate the game's system and combos makes them stand out on their own in this game.
Mr Fahrenheit
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I played some 3S last night and it reminded me how much I want Necro in a new game. We dont have Blanka or Dhalsim, it could happen.... Plz 
direct_quote
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SF4 was pretty goofy looking, we had Rufus, Hakan, El fuerte, Dan, and just everyone in general looked kind of goofy.. Characters' eyes would pop up during an ultra animation, and in many other circumstances. And the way most characters acted was very cartoonish.
I must be driving on the wrong road, because I don't see these signs?
Point to them please?
SolidSnakex
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Ta-da! That plus Karin is Rainbow Mika's sponsor.
If you mean Fei Long, SolidSnakex already posted the Fei Long poster that I was referring to.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
There's also a poster of Maki, Haggar, and Guy in the London stage.
I fail to see the karin connection? Is it because he's there that he won't appear in base?
EDIT on Neos post, yea I remember that. Same website that says Urien is coming back
I believe
I already posted the Karin thing. She was leaked alongside Rainbow Mika, Alex, & Urien.
EDIT: Oh good, you saw my post. With the remaining 3 from the Siliconera leak factored in with the newcomers that Ken Bogard leaked, there's no more room for anymore characters in the base roster. And since Siliconera is proving to be correct so far, I've since moved my hopes towards DLC.
MegamanXZero
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People tend to call her a rekka character while she's more than just that. So that's why they think she already took that spot.
Omnistalgic
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";176895769]Ryu, Ken, Chun and Cammy are holding the cast back by being basically the same characters they've always been. Hell, they took away some of the only new stuff Chun had from the initial reveal.[/QUOTE]
Holding the cast back? What are you talking about? Ryu in particular and by extension Ken always being a more aggressive version of him is the default model for all SF characters. Changing them would be ridiculous as they are foundation characters. I would even put Chun in as well as being very iconic. Cammy has more room for change but you have to keep some traditions unchanged, that's what character diversity is for. You always need a shoto template in a SF title or its not SF.
Holding the cast back? What are you talking about? Ryu in particular and by extension Ken always being a more aggressive version of him is the default model for all SF characters. Changing them would be ridiculous as they are foundation characters. I would even put Chun in as well as being very iconic. Cammy has more room for change but you have to keep some traditions unchanged, that's what character diversity is for. You always need a shoto template in a SF title or its not SF.
Stone Ocean
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The only thing Chun lost from the initial reveal was air Tensei Ranka, but she got air legs in it's place
Familiarity is a good thing, too. Not every character needs to be wildly different from their previous incarnations, there's nothing wrong with Ryu being a "safe place" for people that played previous games. Cammy is the only one I'd call a disappointment because she has basically nothing new besides a couple new normals and she has the most uninspired VS and VT in the game.
Familiarity is a good thing, too. Not every character needs to be wildly different from their previous incarnations, there's nothing wrong with Ryu being a "safe place" for people that played previous games. Cammy is the only one I'd call a disappointment because she has basically nothing new besides a couple new normals and she has the most uninspired VS and VT in the game.
Chun's V-trigger also changed from the Dual Kikoko because it was just filling the screen with fireballs.
Omnistalgic
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Ryu is an excellent zoner from mid range. Activate v-trigger to zone from 3/4 and full screen and mixup the holding times and ex versions. If your anti air sucks tho zoning wont be effective. Everyone should be afraid to jump on you.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Boo-fuckin'-yah.
Capcom better not have some secret hate for Chun-Li like Toriyama seems to have for Gohan. She's still my favorite female cast member in the series (for various reasons. Yes one of those reasons is because of her thick thighs) and it just seems counter-productive to continually remove things from her.
Why does Ryu get to learn new tricks but not Chun-Li?
Necro really deserves to come back. I also want Dudley in as the prerequisite boxer.I played some 3S last night and it reminded me how much I want Necro in a new game. We dont have Blanka or Dhalsim, it could happen.... Plz
Very well put. Couldn't have said it any better if I tried.
I don't like that they changed that. Dual Kikokens would be fine if limited to two on screen.
Then maybe they should stop having Pro Players test out the game before it comes out in an atmosphere where patches are the norm and updates done easier than before. Because it wouldn't have changed if that didn't happen in public, at least to the degree it did.
I can understand why people think Cammy is kinda dry character-wise in terms of moveset, but as a Cammy player, the idea of her going behind an opponent with a move for a cross-up is insane to me.
Ryu and Chun need more tweaking though. I think the idea of Evil Ryu being Ryu's V-trigger would be awesome.
Omnistalgic
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Toriyama doesn't like gohan? I thought he was the strongest in the universe but doesn't like to fight?
He doesn't, & has been slacking on his training as a result (Vegeta even called him out on it before the Buu Saga).
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