Tom Brady beats NFL in 'Deflategate' court case, league's 4-game suspension nullified
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No. The judge saw it as the NFL overreaching. This decision has to do with the process not if Brady did something wrong.
Dutch Gronk
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Brady is free. Brady is innocent. Brady is God.
LyleLanley
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Finally someone gets it.
At the end of the day, cheated or not, it basically confirms the punishment and the effect was ridiculous, just like comparing it to PEDs
amazing
Despite not ruling on it the judge has made it pretty clear, through questioning and his final ruling, how he feels about the Wells Report and the alleged cheating.
I think it comes down to arbitration can't be arbitrary, which is essentially what Jay Feely said the other day when the judge asked him about how the league handled his "cheating" with footballs.
Oh completely. I always thought this whole thing was hilarious. I don't expect Goodell to remain the commissioner much longer because anything legal related, he tends to really shit the bed making the NFL the current joke of the month.
Has anyone read anything on what the NFL appeal is going to do in terms of allowing Brady go play? Since the suspension was nullified, he should be good to go even as the appeal goes on right?
Haha im not doubling down. Your post i originally quoted read like you thought there was evidence that proved their innocence. I understand the burden of proof.
Also i cant prove unicorns arent real... because they are.
Cornbread78
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They have been towing the NFL's company line from day 1 and have let all their minions run free with whatever they want. They will take the popular route and continue to trash the Pats and not fix their own mistakes, or call out the NFL for theirs. That's called, drinking the Koolade and being on the payroll..
Empyrean Heaven
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I love the fact that Goodell's last tweet (which was from over a year ago) is him hanging out with Seahawks fans with "12" jerseys.
Man, I bet he's going to hate the #12 for the rest of his life.
Man, I bet he's going to hate the #12 for the rest of his life.
LyleLanley
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"Roger Goodell will not attend next Thursday's NFL opener in Foxboro, NFL confirmed. Believes the focus should be on game/festivities." - @MikeGarafolo
Disappointing, that could've been fun.
Disappointing, that could've been fun.
ZOLAK?! Is that you!
The NFL has chosen to allow him to play while the appeal goes forward. If the reverse had happened, Brady would have sought an injunction that would have allowed him to play.
spookyfish
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Judge has already made his fantasy football picks, it seems.
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I think I said that, and I responded to your question on the previous page.
I am slowly reading through the decision. I found it amusing that Judge Berman quoted the word independent when he was referring to the Well Report.
http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show.php?db=special&id=484 (Page 5)
DrForester
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Can the Patriots as a team still appeal? Seemed like they just took it on the chin on the assumption Brady would not be harshly punished, if at all. And they ended up being very, very wrong.
Also, does the judge's ruling also vacate the monetary fine Brady got?
Also, does the judge's ruling also vacate the monetary fine Brady got?
TheOhrenberger.
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I think they might be able to, but I doubt they will. Just let it go and move on at this point. I hate that the NFL took away a first round pick, but let's just put this joke behind us and play football.
Dreams-Visions
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They should. Those draft picks lost are a big fucking deal. The money...who cares. But those picks? Can't let that slide, IMO.
Implying they ever had any for him?
Nah pats should go for it
They had no evidence against Brady, so they were going after other bullshit and still lost.
Brady wins.
As always.
TheOhrenberger.
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I don't think the Pats' case would be as strong as Brady's.
Agreed.
I believe they got fined for obstructing the investigation by not making the two guys available for a second interview. If they didn't, it would be hard for them to win.
Banjo-Kazooie
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People keep saying the Pats should go for it because Brady won. Brady had the CBA working in his favor, as well as a union... the Pats as a team do not...they would be suing themselves pretty much as owners in the league, and Robert Craft would basically alienate himself from the other owners. It will not and was never going to happen.
Thanks for the level headed response. I agree the Wells report is horrendously flawed. The Pats'response to it was pretty laughable too though. Not saying Brady is guilty to the extent many are, but the whole thing has seemed very fishy from the start... from both the NFL and the Pats.
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Finally. The league had an open and shut case to punish the Colts for absconding with the Patriots ball and testing it in violation of league rules.
Instead they decided to punish the Patriots. And they doubled down on that punishment even after it became apparent that there was no evidence the Patriots did anything, and that the scientific evidence suggested the balls were not deflated. Rather than have evidence, they used false reports to win public opinion.
The league's arguments to the judge were so bad it seemed like they weren't even trying. Just "the CBA lets us do anything we want, including interpreting the CBA any way we want", which is instantly ridiculous.
If there is some way to get the draft picks back, the Patriots should go for it. The sad thing is, this can't put much pressure (if any) on the league to improve, because at no point was there any threat to their ratings. I could almost see the league using this lawsuit as a fishing expedition to increase their power; make terrible arguments, and if they win, game over for the players. Hopefully they prove me wrong and oust Goodell.
Instead they decided to punish the Patriots. And they doubled down on that punishment even after it became apparent that there was no evidence the Patriots did anything, and that the scientific evidence suggested the balls were not deflated. Rather than have evidence, they used false reports to win public opinion.
The league's arguments to the judge were so bad it seemed like they weren't even trying. Just "the CBA lets us do anything we want, including interpreting the CBA any way we want", which is instantly ridiculous.
If there is some way to get the draft picks back, the Patriots should go for it. The sad thing is, this can't put much pressure (if any) on the league to improve, because at no point was there any threat to their ratings. I could almost see the league using this lawsuit as a fishing expedition to increase their power; make terrible arguments, and if they win, game over for the players. Hopefully they prove me wrong and oust Goodell.
Forgot it was due to not cooperating. My bad
He'd essentially be the new Al Davis.
I don't expect Goodell will ever attend a Patriots home game.
There was a report put together by an outside group, AEI, that pretty much destroyed the science and methods in the Wells Report. No need to rely on the Pat's response.
tiggerkiddo
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Well, this dumb story will drag on some more. Just let it end.
I think he would have loved to address it more explicitly but he needed to write the ruling to stand up to appeal. Would have been great to read!
But how do you turn a blind eye to the patriots response?
For example, the pats explaining mcnallys referring to himself as the deflator by saying he was trying to lose weight...
EDIT: im not saying that is enough to punish brady. Its not.
The explanation for that is their response was bullshit.
Agreed, but why give a bullshit response?
So ...... were the balls deflated outside of the normal gas laws of pressure?
You didn't answer the question.
forgeforsaken
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Unclear. With no recordings of pressure pre-game and with questions about which gauge was used the pressure change is in question. It mostly depends on which set of assumptions you go with. Basically it can look normal or abnormal depending which gauge you believe was used etc.
Isnt that the question everyone wants answered?
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