Pretty much where I'm at. Removed of the past expectations of the series it's an excellent game with a poor story, but as a Metal Gear game it doesn't feel at all in that same vein.
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The cardboard box travel in the old MGS games was a cool little extra but it was never really needed like it is here due to the size of the levels it just boggles my mind that it is so poorly explained in this game. I also think it was silly not to allow fast travel by the helicopter in the Afghanistan and Africa maps like you can when going between the different struts on mother base.
Pyramidbread
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anyone rescued this bad ass mofo yet?
I can't agree with 4's bosses being better than TPP's. Laughing Octopus and Crying Wolf are fairly comparable to Quiet and the Skull unit, except the latter win out for the verticality/bullet drop addition and fighting multiple Skulls at the same time. Not to mention that the Solid Eye gives you way too big of an advantage over both bosses. Raging Raven is just garbage and Screaming Mantis only has the puppet gimmick going for it.
Death Metalist
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I too think they are better than 4 with the exception of two fights though,
Rex vs Ray & the final fist fight.
anyone rescued this bad ass mofo yet?
Can you rescue him even if you have him in your unit because of the
GZ save?
Agreed.
Pyramidbread
Neo Member
I've not got the crossover save, kept meaning to do it, but I forgot, so possibly not, lol.
Dion Blaster
Member
So is this game like the polar opposite of MGS4? In terms of story vs gameplay
HappenstanceUK
Member
The Skulls were probably the thing I liked least about this game (ignoring things like story being stretched too thin and lack of VO). I only enjoyed the sniper battle with them. Other than that I just found all the other battles with them annoying.
afternoon delight
Member
Oh I get you for sure. I love batshit crazy insanity too, but I want it to at least be consistent and cohesive once the ride is over.
But hey, I'm a David Lynch fan, I can explain anything away given enough time.
Death Metalist
Member
Definitely. It seems Kojima decided to go to the other end of the spectrum instead of finding a good balance between cutscenes and gameplay however, in an open world setting with the story about BB coming back as the legend he is known for, I don't think how that would work honestly.
True. Also, I suppose that, even though I enjoyed it quite a bit, they chose to make an "abridged" sniper duel with Quiet where a couple of shots are enough to end the fight and it's set in a single enclosed location instead of trying to one-up their incredibly ambitious PS2 attempt, but at least there's the extreme version of the fight.
Big Green Anus
Member
Is there a video on youtube that shows all of the events in order after Chapter 31? I just decided to not play anymore for a while, but I would prefer watching the rest of someone's playthourgh for Chapter 32+
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Have I missed the Quiet scene where she's
When are you supposed to trigger it?
tortured?
Death Metalist
Member
It'll come, just keep on playing.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Gotcha. I'm worried I'll miss cutscenes @_@
bodyofanamerican
Member
Chapter 2, after returning to Mother Base after a few missions.
SmartWaffles
Member
Thank god.
Hands of Stone
Member
Got this off the reddit which got it off 4chan.
People are still living on hope.
People are still living on hope.
EmCeeGramr
Member
and then i unlocked the temple of light and the pokegods gave me the triforce with stop n swop
Neff
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Extreme is a whole different confrontation. Hits from Sahelanthropus can be instant death regardless of what costume you have.
I did it in the end, but it was an ordeal of cheese and good fortune on my part. No matter how many times I died (and I died a lot), I couldn't figure out a reliable way of not taking damage. It's the only part of the game I don't like.
Why do people keep saying this? You can unlock all the missions by doing side-ops missions, those are a piece of cake.
If you completed a certain amount op side-ops missions, you get booted to mother base or the chopper immediately after completing the side-op (depending on the story mission).
Revolutionary
Member
Just got the true ending.
Immediately went to the vehicle menu...
Where's my motorcycle
Immediately went to the vehicle menu...
Where's my motorcycle
heliosRAzi
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Why are people still using spoiler tags in this thread?
Hands of Stone
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A couple more things from the reddit, while not spoilers I don't wanna people crying in the OT saying I ruined them discovering these:
-Smoking your cigar will raise the entire morale on the platform you're on.
-Every critical injury on your torso reduces your max health by 5% up to 30% until you return to your ACC.
-If you knock down a powerline while it's raining, it can shock enemies.
-You can hold up your soldiers on Mother Base and they will tell you the locations of diamonds on that platform.
-All 8 plants are gatherable on MB's Animal conservation platforms.
-Stand upright in the box and perform a dive, hold down the dive button and you slide.
-If you find a bunch of resources and want to collect them all you don't have to press the O button (or whatever) multiple times. Just hold it down and once you've picked up the first it'll start automatically on the second. Same goes for flowers and resource cases.
-You can find tapes of enemies yelling "Enemy is down!". Playing those through your speaker will make enemies stand down from an alarm
-In the Wandering Mother Base soldier missions if you equip the cardboard box they will stop running away and recognize you as the boss right away.
-when you upgrade the int scope, you can do more than place markers. If you use triangle, or y, it selects from different options like air raids, smoke dispersal etc.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgears...phantom_pains_incomplete_ending_was_cut_from/
-Smoking your cigar will raise the entire morale on the platform you're on.
-Every critical injury on your torso reduces your max health by 5% up to 30% until you return to your ACC.
-If you knock down a powerline while it's raining, it can shock enemies.
-You can hold up your soldiers on Mother Base and they will tell you the locations of diamonds on that platform.
-All 8 plants are gatherable on MB's Animal conservation platforms.
-Stand upright in the box and perform a dive, hold down the dive button and you slide.
-If you find a bunch of resources and want to collect them all you don't have to press the O button (or whatever) multiple times. Just hold it down and once you've picked up the first it'll start automatically on the second. Same goes for flowers and resource cases.
-You can find tapes of enemies yelling "Enemy is down!". Playing those through your speaker will make enemies stand down from an alarm
-In the Wandering Mother Base soldier missions if you equip the cardboard box they will stop running away and recognize you as the boss right away.
-when you upgrade the int scope, you can do more than place markers. If you use triangle, or y, it selects from different options like air raids, smoke dispersal etc.
Edit-
https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgears...phantom_pains_incomplete_ending_was_cut_from/
Were from reddit
GwyndolinCinder
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Lol I was doing a fulto. Run of mission 30 and noticed psycho mantis hovering above skull faces chopper, so naturally I shot him.... And it activities a magic blue barrier.....
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My notes.
1- The game starts with a quote which says "It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland.". Logically, from a story-point perspective, that means either Big Boss knows that, and therefore his plans can't involve simply making a "nation", or it's a sign his intentions are wrong. Or it's just a misused quote.
2- We hear someone breathing through a respiratory device (presumably, whoever is in a coma), and we hear sirens. The sirens are those of British fire trucks. the same we hear them later when escaping the hospital, yet we hear them now while someone is breathing through a respiratory device.
3- We then fade to Outer Heaven, where a battle is ongoing. V has the tape and listens to it. The game starts, we see through the eyes of the person in the coma.
4- After V freaks out from the 9 year thing and wakes up again three days later, on the radio it speaks of a crash and an inexplicable fire. It's very difficult to hear exactly what is being said, eventually the doctor turns off the radio, probably foreshadowing Mantis/Volgin being on the way, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's describing the hospital/tunnel/etc burning down before those events even happen! If someone could provide some sort of transcript I'd be grateful. Bonus; I'd be curious to know what the doc is telling the nurse when V wakes up again after two weeks
5- One thing I need help figuring out: the doc shows V a mirror, and we see BB's face as expected. After he pulls it away, we see the face of the character your created right? He says "We have to change your appearance immediately, we have no other choice, what you look like however...", what does he mean by the later? Isn't it the same?
6- Also, a pretty important point: see how little bandage V has there? After, right before being killed, the doc starts removing some bandage and says "Your face has healed nicely. To tell you the truth, these bandages were more for your protection, to hide you from those who want you dead." The doc talks as if V's face had been completely covered in bandages like Ishmael. But his face was not hidden at all, only his eye's bandage was removed... We saw his face just before any bandage was removed already, how was his identity hidden only by covering his eye? Ishmael on the other hand, sure. Maybe it was just poorly thought out, but I don't know...
7- Note that until now, even if V freaks out numerous times, there are never any digital glitches. After you are done with the facial reconstruction choice thing, when Quiet kills the doctor, now we get our first digital glitches, at the same time as the doc tells you what your new name is (name taken from Moby Dick...), and to forget everything. From here on out there are such glitches. There was none in GZ if I'm not mistaken.
8- Ishmael says "I... we gave her a light, she took the way down". We never see HIM start the fire, he was in the same position as before, on the floor with the knife in the shoulder. Someone else did, Mantis?
9- Doesn't Ishmael inject himself in the arm with the shot and not V? It's unclear, nice touch if intentional. On a few occasions we see what Ishmael sees rather than V. It switches back to FPS when it goes back to V.
10- First sight of the orange bars since GZ: when the missiles are fire at Volgin.
11- When Ishmael aims at Volgin, it's his left eye that is bandaged, and he aims with the right eye.
12- Ocelot says "A certain man asked me to do two things. First, to get you out of that hospital. Second, to rescue the man himself.". Then he talks about Kaz, so we think he meant going to rescue Kaz, but he could been hinting at Ishmael/Big Boss, who he just rescued. When you meet Kaz, he's surprised ans asks what took you so long. So it was definitely not him who asked those two things to Ocelot.
Gotta say, the whole Awakening chapter is amazing, it's perfectly directed. So much tension and confusion, wish the whole game was more like that. If it had been more like MGS3 with Snake on an infiltration mission, I think it would have been able to stay like this throughout.
1- The game starts with a quote which says "It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland.". Logically, from a story-point perspective, that means either Big Boss knows that, and therefore his plans can't involve simply making a "nation", or it's a sign his intentions are wrong. Or it's just a misused quote.
2- We hear someone breathing through a respiratory device (presumably, whoever is in a coma), and we hear sirens. The sirens are those of British fire trucks. the same we hear them later when escaping the hospital, yet we hear them now while someone is breathing through a respiratory device.
3- We then fade to Outer Heaven, where a battle is ongoing. V has the tape and listens to it. The game starts, we see through the eyes of the person in the coma.
4- After V freaks out from the 9 year thing and wakes up again three days later, on the radio it speaks of a crash and an inexplicable fire. It's very difficult to hear exactly what is being said, eventually the doctor turns off the radio, probably foreshadowing Mantis/Volgin being on the way, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's describing the hospital/tunnel/etc burning down before those events even happen! If someone could provide some sort of transcript I'd be grateful. Bonus; I'd be curious to know what the doc is telling the nurse when V wakes up again after two weeks
5- One thing I need help figuring out: the doc shows V a mirror, and we see BB's face as expected. After he pulls it away, we see the face of the character your created right? He says "We have to change your appearance immediately, we have no other choice, what you look like however...", what does he mean by the later? Isn't it the same?
6- Also, a pretty important point: see how little bandage V has there? After, right before being killed, the doc starts removing some bandage and says "Your face has healed nicely. To tell you the truth, these bandages were more for your protection, to hide you from those who want you dead." The doc talks as if V's face had been completely covered in bandages like Ishmael. But his face was not hidden at all, only his eye's bandage was removed... We saw his face just before any bandage was removed already, how was his identity hidden only by covering his eye? Ishmael on the other hand, sure. Maybe it was just poorly thought out, but I don't know...
7- Note that until now, even if V freaks out numerous times, there are never any digital glitches. After you are done with the facial reconstruction choice thing, when Quiet kills the doctor, now we get our first digital glitches, at the same time as the doc tells you what your new name is (name taken from Moby Dick...), and to forget everything. From here on out there are such glitches. There was none in GZ if I'm not mistaken.
8- Ishmael says "I... we gave her a light, she took the way down". We never see HIM start the fire, he was in the same position as before, on the floor with the knife in the shoulder. Someone else did, Mantis?
9- Doesn't Ishmael inject himself in the arm with the shot and not V? It's unclear, nice touch if intentional. On a few occasions we see what Ishmael sees rather than V. It switches back to FPS when it goes back to V.
10- First sight of the orange bars since GZ: when the missiles are fire at Volgin.
11- When Ishmael aims at Volgin, it's his left eye that is bandaged, and he aims with the right eye.
12- Ocelot says "A certain man asked me to do two things. First, to get you out of that hospital. Second, to rescue the man himself.". Then he talks about Kaz, so we think he meant going to rescue Kaz, but he could been hinting at Ishmael/Big Boss, who he just rescued. When you meet Kaz, he's surprised ans asks what took you so long. So it was definitely not him who asked those two things to Ocelot.
Gotta say, the whole Awakening chapter is amazing, it's perfectly directed. So much tension and confusion, wish the whole game was more like that. If it had been more like MGS3 with Snake on an infiltration mission, I think it would have been able to stay like this throughout.
Crossing Eden
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I think you're looking way to much into the orange light thing. And yea, that left eye aiming thing is just more bullshit for the convenience of the twist just like his lack of facial hair. If anything, the replay of the hospital segment should've rectified this and made it much more obvious by adding facial hair, hair sticking out from the bandages, and visible facial hair, and corrected bandage placement. It would be stupid but still would be more believable in context.My notes.
1- The game starts with a quote which says "It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland.". Logically, from a story-point perspective, that means either Big Boss knows that, and therefore his plans can't involve simply making a "nation", or it's a sign his intentions are wrong. Or it's just a misused quote.
2- We hear someone breathing through a respiratory device (presumably, whoever is in a coma), and we hear sirens. The sirens are those of British fire trucks. the same we hear them later when escaping the hospital, yet we hear them now while someone is breathing through a respiratory device.
3- We then fade to Outer Heaven, where a battle is ongoing. V has the tape and listens to it. The game starts, we see through the eyes of the person in the coma.
4- After V freaks out from the 9 year thing and wakes up again three days later, on the radio it speaks of a crash and an inexplicable fire. It's very difficult to hear exactly what is being said, eventually the doctor turns off the radio, probably foreshadowing Mantis/Volgin being on the way, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's describing the hospital/tunnel/etc burning down before those events even happen! If someone could provide some sort of transcript I'd be grateful. Bonus; I'd be curious to know what the doc is telling the nurse when V wakes up again after two weeks
5- One thing I need help figuring out: the doc shows V a mirror, and we see BB's face as expected. After he pulls it away, we see the face of the character your created right? He says "We have to change your appearance immediately, we have no other choice, what you look like however...", what does he mean by the later? Isn't it the same?
6- Also, a pretty important point: see how little bandage V has there? After, right before being killed, the doc starts removing some bandage and says "Your face has healed nicely. To tell you the truth, these bandages were more for your protection, to hide you from those who want you dead." The doc talks as if V's face had been completely covered in bandages like Ishmael. But his face was not hidden at all, only his eye's bandage was removed... We saw his face just before any bandage was removed already, how was his identity hidden only by covering his eye? Ishmael on the other hand, sure. Maybe it was just poorly thought out, but I don't know...
7- Note that until now, even if V freaks out numerous times, there are never any digital glitches. After you are done with the facial reconstruction choice thing, when Quiet kills the doctor, now we get our first digital glitches, at the same time as the doc tells you what your new name is (name taken from Moby Dick...), and to forget everything. From here on out there are such glitches. There was none in GZ if I'm not mistaken.
8- Ishmael says "I... we gave her a light, she took the way down". We never see HIM start the fire, he was in the same position as before, on the floor with the knife in the shoulder. Someone else did, Mantis?
9- Doesn't Ishmael inject himself in the arm with the shot and not V? It's unclear, nice touch if intentional. On a few occasions we see what Ishmael sees rather than V. It switches back to FPS when it goes back to V.
10- First sight of the orange bars since GZ: when the missiles are fire at Volgin.
11- When Ishmael aims at Volgin, it's his left eye that is bandaged, and he aims with the right eye.
12- Ocelot says "A certain man asked me to do two things. First, to get you out of that hospital. Second, to rescue the man himself.". Then he talks about Kaz, so we think he meant going to rescue Kaz, but he could been hinting at Ishmael/Big Boss, who he just rescued.
Gotta say, the whole Awakening chapter is amazing, it's perfectly directed. So much tension and confusion, wish the whole game was more like that. If it had been more like MGS3 with Snake on an infiltration mission, I think it would have been able to stay like this throughout.
Well that isn't true I finished all the side missions that were open to me and it didn't unlock the truth, I had to do 4 of the harder missions.
Lol weird. I did one hard mission and the rest was all side-ops
Yeah it's really unclear how it unlocks.
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Also: Phantom Pain
The missing phantom pain is that we aren't playing as Big Boss. It's "our" Big Boss limb that is missing.
This is an S3 program. Moby Dick = parallel to Arsenal Gear. When the game goes nuts in MGS2, you are inside the whale's stomach. Mother Base = Big Shell. Big Boss is watching, the glitches, the illusions. Pequod is a character in Moby Dick too.
There's another Phantom Limb in the game: Liquid escapes to the sea with Metal Gear like in MGS2' ending. We don't get a conclusion to this, because there was no conclusion to that in MGS2! It's made to parallel MGS2, and to make you feel the phantom pain of not having that conclusion!
No way, it's done on purpose because it's all a lie
Thanks for that!
The missing phantom pain is that we aren't playing as Big Boss. It's "our" Big Boss limb that is missing.
This is an S3 program. Moby Dick = parallel to Arsenal Gear. When the game goes nuts in MGS2, you are inside the whale's stomach. Mother Base = Big Shell. Big Boss is watching, the glitches, the illusions. Pequod is a character in Moby Dick too.
There's another Phantom Limb in the game: Liquid escapes to the sea with Metal Gear like in MGS2' ending. We don't get a conclusion to this, because there was no conclusion to that in MGS2! It's made to parallel MGS2, and to make you feel the phantom pain of not having that conclusion!
No way, it's done on purpose because it's all a lie
Thanks for that!
SmartWaffles
Member
The crash thing you heard in the radio is later told in the Man on Fire/Volgin origins tape, Mantis (I'll call him this since I for fuck sake can't spell his name) crashed the plane he was on near the facility where Volgin's remains were being researched.
I think it works like this: doing harder missions is the faster way, going side ops is the easier/longer way.
After all all you need to do is to move the truck to unlock it
Because the game wasn't finished. This resolves the Liquid arc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3e0LoFh8ew
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
An entire arc was cut from the story in exchange for SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE?
Having Liquid be the same angsty little bastard as a kid that he is an adult is pretty lame, though.
BreezyLimbo
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Hands of Stone
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After V freaks out from the 9 year thing and wakes up again three days later, on the radio it speaks of a crash and an inexplicable fire. It's very difficult to hear exactly what is being said, eventually the doctor turns off the radio, probably foreshadowing Mantis/Volgin being on the way, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's describing the hospital/tunnel/etc burning down before those events even happen! If someone could provide some sort of transcript I'd be grateful. Bonus; I'd be curious to know what the doc is telling the nurse when V wakes up again after two weeks
"The administration has not made public the contents of the black box from the wreckage but have stated the reason for the crash was, an as yet, an explicable fire in mid flight. The search has ended with a confirmed death toll of 94 and another 32 (thousand?)(At this point the radio is drowned out from the doctors dialogue.)
After a few seconds it's clear enough to get a bit more tidbits of info:
"Appears to have been the withdrawal of Soviet army support, and sources suggest this may be part of a cover up orchestrated by (terrorists?)"
Yet again drowned out by the doctor and then
"(Can't make out the first few words here) -the suspicions regarding the recent Soviet (air heli?) crash in northern Ukraine, multiple NATO countries have stated that they have absolutely no (involvement?) in the accident, military or otherwise. They noted their own citizens-" Nurse turns off radio.
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Wasted 10 mins listening to the prologue, lol fuck.
People are clinging onto anything they can get at this point. The day one patch came and went, and nothing changed. 9/11 will come and pass and nothing will change. Then people will start talking about the 10/1 patch that's gonna change everything.
Death Metalist
Member
lol, that makes so much sense since they're soldiers from MSF.
Well, we do see a whale in the opening. Ocelot also referenced Pinocchio in the very first tape.
Ocelot -"The last place Cipher would think to look for you is after is inside their own system. That's what kept you safe in a british military hospital for nine years. The safest place from a whale is inside it's own belly- you were a regular Geppetto."
VS - "Well it wasn't Pinocchio who lead me out to safety. So, who was that guy..?"
Ocelot then straight just doesn't answer him and kept on continuing that Cipher went on attacking a British territory, burning their own ally just because they wanted to kill VS so bad.
I am thinking with age it got subdued, more controllable. That and well SS was able to change controller ports, lmao. As you said it may also have been an accident or nanomachines reduced his power.
SmartWaffles
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LOL yeah I did that too, thought it was for providing historical background, letting you pinpoint the time frame, I even went to check notable air crashes in 1984.
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Thanks Hands of Stone, I appreciate it
Another note: When Kaz is on the floor of the chopper after being rescued, he reminiscences about 9 years ago, and says their future was taken away from them, angry. At the same time as he says this, the chopper shakes violently as if due to turbulence, as if his anger was so strong it caused it to malfunction. Kaz is the most angry character in game, constantly trying to lure V down with him, and it never works.
Throughout the game, V is impeccable, he never follows Kaz's demands for revenge no matter what he has been put through, not even a little big, even in the "cut ending". Isn't this strange for a game that is supposed to show Big Boss' downfall as a result of a desire for revenge? That's another "Phantom Limb". Is Kaz a computer virus? The only thing that ever appears to cause him to go mad is after putting the Operation N313 tape in the cassette player, after the MSX turns on. Again and again Kaz is trying to make V go evil, he wants him to kill everyone, while Ocelot constantly says it's up to the Boss to decide. Kill Quiet! It's up to the Boss. Kill Huey! It's up to the Boss. Don't escape using the walker! Maybe you should. Ocelot is different, why? Because he's just overseeing things, not getting involved, because, it's a test for Big Boss, and he is constantly pushing back against Kaz in every single scene to make sure Boss decides what to do, while Kaz is constantly telling Boss to do something bad or to not trust his own instinct. Is this a test?
The Phantom Limbs:
1- Big Boss missing.
2- Eli running away, depriving us of the game's "ending", like in MGS2.
3- Kojima being fired; so we literally miss Kojima. No "A Hideo Kojima" game, because he is a phantom limb.
4- Seeing Big Boss supposedly going evil, yet it's the opposite, even for his double, there is none of this at all.
5- Skull Face's ending, heck, his whole speech and how V doesn't even react to it.
6- Chico is just gone, and Paz is now an illusion? A phantom limb?
I could go on.
Hello? This is manipulation. It's Kojima making us explore a theme in a way ONLY VIDEO GAMES COULD.
You guys really think Kojima isn't doing something clever here? This is the same Kojima as MGS2'.
It's not over yet!
I missed that! "Their own system" is S3, it's some sort of Arsenal Gear! Big Boss is in a self-induced coma, plugged to the AI, and is successfully passing a test to preserve himself. MGS V: MGS Virtual. The AI is throwing everything at him to make him become the Big Boss it wants, the one that would create a world of ever lasting war as in MGS4.
But he's the hero, does he eventually lose or not?. Someone else might.
Another note: When Kaz is on the floor of the chopper after being rescued, he reminiscences about 9 years ago, and says their future was taken away from them, angry. At the same time as he says this, the chopper shakes violently as if due to turbulence, as if his anger was so strong it caused it to malfunction. Kaz is the most angry character in game, constantly trying to lure V down with him, and it never works.
Throughout the game, V is impeccable, he never follows Kaz's demands for revenge no matter what he has been put through, not even a little big, even in the "cut ending". Isn't this strange for a game that is supposed to show Big Boss' downfall as a result of a desire for revenge? That's another "Phantom Limb". Is Kaz a computer virus?
The only thing that ever appears to cause him to go mad is after putting the Operation N313 tape in the cassette player, after the MSX turns on. Again and again Kaz is trying to make V go evil, he wants him to kill everyone, while Ocelot constantly says it's up to the Boss to decide. Kill Quiet! It's up to the Boss. Kill Huey! It's up to the Boss. Don't escape using the walker! Maybe you should. Ocelot is different, why? Because he's just overseeing things, not getting involved, because, it's a test for Big Boss, and he is constantly pushing back against Kaz in every single scene to make sure Boss decides what to do, while Kaz is constantly telling Boss to do something bad or to not trust his own instinct. Is this a test? The Phantom Limbs:
1- Big Boss missing.
2- Eli running away, depriving us of the game's "ending", like in MGS2.
3- Kojima being fired; so we literally miss Kojima. No "A Hideo Kojima" game, because he is a phantom limb.
4- Seeing Big Boss supposedly going evil, yet it's the opposite, even for his double, there is none of this at all.
5- Skull Face's ending, heck, his whole speech and how V doesn't even react to it.
6- Chico is just gone, and Paz is now an illusion? A phantom limb?
I could go on.
Hello? This is manipulation. It's Kojima making us explore a theme in a way ONLY VIDEO GAMES COULD.
You guys really think Kojima isn't doing something clever here? This is the same Kojima as MGS2'.
It's not over yet!
I missed that! "Their own system" is S3, it's some sort of Arsenal Gear! Big Boss is in a self-induced coma, plugged to the AI, and is successfully passing a test to preserve himself. MGS V: MGS Virtual. The AI is throwing everything at him to make him become the Big Boss it wants, the one that would create a world of ever lasting war as in MGS4.
But he's the hero, does he eventually lose or not?. Someone else might.
Stallion Dan
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People give Kojima way too much credit, so much confirmation bias.
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