You know I think this story isn't so bad, Ch 2 is pretty good. Bar the clone thing. But Huey should be executed. This was too weak. He also fucked up the Skull Face cutscene. Though an Emmerich always fucks up a certain scene so that I could dig.
I think Huey was great, no idea why people keep complaining about him. He felt like an actual character. You're not supposed to like him. Also he has an actual arc, eventually he develops a taste for revenge. I thought his story was well done.
Anyone know why Miller's eyes are messed up? When V finds him, he asks him if they did anything to his eyes. He says no, it's just bright. But in chapter 2, when he takes his glasses off for whatever reason (at sunset no less), you can see his eyes look messed up, like he's blind or has no iris, not sure.
So I just finished mission 46.
It's so confusing. I mean, I get it.
I just don't get why. Why make things so absurdly complicated?
I think this might dethrone MGS4 as far as throwing a million nonsensical story loops for the sake of fucking with the player. It makes no sense.
That being said, im a hardcore MG fan, but I'm not upset or anything. It's just whatever. I'm not a fan of these "inbetween-quels" with Big Boss. I didn't expect much outside of fan service.
I'm just really curious how someone can write this type of shit and be ok with it.
1) Why does the phantom have Big Boss' voice? Was this part of the surgery?
2) Why does the phantom believe he is Big Boss? Why does Ocelot know this also?
3) Why change his face to Big Boss' anyway? Was the doctor in on it and all this was planned from the off, for the phantom to take his place?
4) Did Big Boss wake up from his coma at the same time? Pretty convenient.
5) Credit list mentions that Zero got attacked by the parasites, is this referenced anywhere in game?
6) Zero is listed in the credits, where is he?
7) So Big Boss was trying to establish Outer Heaven, how? Surely that's what Ocelot, Kaz and the phantom were doing anyway?
8) What about Eli? One of the tapes says he can't be Big Boss' clone?!
9) I'm not exactly seeing how after the events of the game that this puts Big Boss or his phantom in the position as the bad guy for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/
10) What was on the Operation Intrude tape? I know that's the events of MG1.
Some other observations:
One of the early trailers showed Big Boss on the Triumph bike but with the horn in his head, so that scene is missing.
Also the song "Friday I'm in Love" came out in 1992.
1) Why does the phantom have Big Boss' voice? Was this part of the surgery? They had similar voices from the beginning. Kiefer voiced the medic in GZ.
2) Why does the phantom believe he is Big Boss? Why does Ocelot know this also? He's been given hypnotherapy or something to believe it. Tapes.
3) Why change his face to Big Boss' anyway? Was the doctor in on it and all this was planned from the off, for the phantom to take his place? Doctor was in on it.
4) Did Big Boss wake up from his coma at the same time? Pretty convenient. No, Big Boss woke up first and then they woke up V. Tapes.
5) Credit list mentions that Zero got attacked by the parasites, is this referenced anywhere in game? Tapes.
6) Zero is listed in the credits, where is he? Tapes.
7) So Big Boss was trying to establish Outer Heaven, how? Surely that's what Ocelot, Kaz and the phantom were doing anyway? Solo and secretly.
8) What about Eli? One of the tapes says he can't be Big Boss' clone?! Hint: he was DNA tested against the phantom.
9) I'm not exactly seeing how after the events of the game that this puts Big Boss or his phantom in the position as the bad guy for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/ Parasites, son!
10) What was on the Operation Intrude tape? I know that's the events of MG1. It was just a hint to the future.
Some other observations:
One of the early trailers showed Big Boss on the Triumph bike but with the horn in his head, so that scene is missing.
Also the song "Friday I'm in Love" came out in 1992.
1) Why does the phantom have Big Boss' voice? Was this part of the surgery?
2) Why does the phantom believe he is Big Boss? Why does Ocelot know this also?
3) Why change his face to Big Boss' anyway? Was the doctor in on it and all this was planned from the off, for the phantom to take his place?
4) Did Big Boss wake up from his coma at the same time? Pretty convenient.
5) Credit list mentions that Zero got attacked by the parasites, is this referenced anywhere in game?
6) Zero is listed in the credits, where is he?
7) So Big Boss was trying to establish Outer Heaven, how? Surely that's what Ocelot, Kaz and the phantom were doing anyway?
8) What about Eli? One of the tapes says he can't be Big Boss' clone?!
9) I'm not exactly seeing how after the events of the game that this puts Big Boss or his phantom in the position as the bad guy for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/
10) What was on the Operation Intrude tape? I know that's the events of MG1.
Some other observations:
One of the early trailers showed Big Boss on the Triumph bike but with the horn in his head, so that scene is missing.
Also the song "Friday I'm in Love" came out in 1992.
Huh, interesting. So during those 'digital flares', if you zoom in, the right side of the screen is darkened like in MGS3 when you zoom in. And only during those scenes.
I think Huey was great, no idea why people keep complaining about him. He felt like an actual character. You're not supposed to like him. Also he has an actual arc, eventually he develops a taste for revenge. I thought his story was well done.
Anyone know why Miller's eyes are messed up? When V finds him, he asks him if they did anything to his eyes. He says no, it's just bright. But in chapter 2, when he takes his glasses off for whatever reason (at sunset no less), you can see his eyes look messed up, like he's blind or has no iris, not sure.
Huey himself wasn;t so bad, but for such a ruthless band of mercs they let him get away with everything too easily. He did so many wrongdoings, he was even the cause of the destruction of MSF. He should've been hung for the sake of the story.
Huh, interesting. So during those 'digital flares', if you zoom in, the right side of the screen is darkened like in MGS3 when you zoom in. And only during those scenes.
I told you, Big Boss is watching!! Everything is recorded. You only see the orange lines when there are being seen machines! They aren't lens flares, there's plenty of actual lens flares in the game. These things appear even when there is no bright light.
The first time you see some is when the chopper fires the missile in the hospital.
Huey himself wasn;t so bad, but for such a ruthless band of mercs they let him get away with everything too easily. He did so many wrongdoings, he was even the cause of the destruction of MSF. He should've been hung for the sake of the story.
I loved the parasites angle, shit was like The Thing on sea. It helps that all the explanations were said by Codetalker who I thought had a terrific voice actor. Enjoyed the character alot.
Edit: Tying it up with the use of language was great too.
imo, the fact big boss just goes along with it is his pivotal turn to 'evil'. he lets one of his best men undergo the almost total erasure of their personality in order to create himself a body double to draw fire when the whole world is out to kill him. sounds like when saddam was using body doubles when he feared being assassinated. not to mention he pretty much abandons miller. more or less left him to die had venom snake not been successful at rescuing him. no wonder he defected to cipher.
by the time of the ending of the truth mission, venom snake seems so fucking warped by war and the idea of being big boss that he just rejects his own identity despite knowing the truth, so he can continue to be big boss. the idea of big boss sharing his legend with venom snake is fucked up too, being big boss is to be forever at war. it's not a blessing, it's a curse. his clones know that by simply being his genes, let alone like venom snake being his meme.
why does big boss do this? i dunno. i think nine years in a coma was enough to convince him to get out of the for-profit war game and create a military nation instead. just went "fuck this, someone else can draw the fire while i do the important stuff and realise the boss' will". in one of the tapes there are mentions jokingly about how mother base's finances don't add up and it's implied miller's burger operation is the cause, but what if it were big boss skimming off the top to finance outer heaven?
what's even more fucked up is that the timeline at the end of the truth mission implies big boss made venom snake die in his place. maybe the MSX loading noise was a way to trigger something in venom snake's brainwashing, ala the manchurian candidate. his mission is to protect the real big boss at all costs, even if that means dying for him.
big boss is a true scumbag.
i'm giving the twist way more credit than it deserves
You know, the Patriot AI would be kicking themselves if they found out that Big Boss successfully trained a soldier to be exactly like him. Makes their elaborate S3 plan seem somewhat unnecessary and expensive.
You know, the Patriot AI would be kicking themselves if they found out that Big Boss successfully trained a soldier to be exactly like him. Makes their elaborate S3 plan seem somewhat unnecessary and expensive.
You know, the Patriot AI would be kicking themselves if they found out that Big Boss successfully trained a soldier to be exactly like him. Makes their elaborate S3 plan seem somewhat unnecessary and expensive.
I can't get a firm answer on exactly what a nuke does to an enemy FOB but it seems like a petty way to get revenge if someone swoops in and steals your stuff/men. Other than that I don't know what the point is.
FOB's in general seem like kind of a half baked idea. There's a system in place for allying with people so that if your FOB gets invaded they can go in and defend it for you if you're offline but as far as I can tell you can't add steam friends to that list of allies. Some rando allied with me and successfully defended my base while I was asleep so I allied with him and was given a list of "indirect revenge targets" (or something like that) which I assume are people that invaded him. It's like they planned for people to have this branching web of allies and enemies but without the ability to get real friends in on that I'm not sure why I would bother.
1) Why does the phantom have Big Boss' voice? Was this part of the surgery?
2) Why does the phantom believe he is Big Boss? Why does Ocelot know this also?
3) Why change his face to Big Boss' anyway? Was the doctor in on it and all this was planned from the off, for the phantom to take his place?
4) Did Big Boss wake up from his coma at the same time? Pretty convenient.
5) Credit list mentions that Zero got attacked by the parasites, is this referenced anywhere in game?
6) Zero is listed in the credits, where is he?
7) So Big Boss was trying to establish Outer Heaven, how? Surely that's what Ocelot, Kaz and the phantom were doing anyway?
8) What about Eli? One of the tapes says he can't be Big Boss' clone?!
9) I'm not exactly seeing how after the events of the game that this puts Big Boss or his phantom in the position as the bad guy for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/
10) What was on the Operation Intrude tape? I know that's the events of MG1.
Some other observations:
One of the early trailers showed Big Boss on the Triumph bike but with the horn in his head, so that scene is missing.
Also the song "Friday I'm in Love" came out in 1992.
A lot of these are 'cause Kojima said so but I'll give a couple.
4) Yep, presumably a year or two earlier than the medic.
5) Truth Records Cassette Tape: Secret recording of Skullface and Zero.
6) VA in cassette tapes.
7) Distraction. Explained in the last cutscenes? BB goes to make the true Outer Heaven.
8) Because they tested on medic, not BB.
9) MG1 = VS dies to SS. MG2 = BB 'dies' to SS.
10) I think it was just meant to be a reference. Or that Operation Intrude was happening above VS when listening to the tape.
But yeah, the AI latched onto that face like one of them AI which only see the ghost of the character and think he is there when actually, he is somewhere else.
Hypnotherapy was clearly not programmed into the Patriot AI's database...hell, even acting in any way different must not be programmed in!
I wonder if they see movies like Lincoln and go "Daniel Day Lewis has been possessed by Lincoln!"
I still just don't really get Big Boss' character arc, I still can't see how he is set up to become "the bad guy" for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/
And the building Outer Heaven thing sounds so trite, when we don't see what Big Boss is doing in the game's events, I mean surely that's what we've spent the game doing all this time? =/
But there's a good 15 years between MGS 5 and MG 1 so there's room to pad it out more I guess.
PS: Seriously, there better be a reason for why BB and VS have the same voice, that's ridiculous if not!
You know, the Patriot AI would be kicking themselves if they found out that Big Boss successfully trained a soldier to be exactly like him. Makes their elaborate S3 plan seem somewhat unnecessary and expensive.
That wasn't exactly the point of S3, but... it is an anachronism that I feel might be even worse than all the tech stuff about AIs and holograms and drones and whatnot existing in the prequels.
So the ability to completely transform a person into a reasonably close-to-identical facsimile of another, in appearance, voice, memory, skills, and personality - even a person who is the human apex of their profession - has been around since the late 1970s/early 1980s at least, and yet the only time that we've ever heard of it happening is that one time. The world-controlling superadvanced Patriot AIs either never learned about these incredible advances in medical technology (doubtful), or didn't care about it enough to use it in their many schemes where having nigh-indistinguishable body doubles would undoubtedly help manipulate people.
Then again, maybe they didn't learn about it. Maybe that's how saw Ocelot flexing his arm a lot and shouting "brother" and decided that the only possible explanation was that he was clearly possessed by a ghost and thus there was no other possible option but to send a geriatric man who once sorta killed that ghost's old body.
I still just don't really get Big Boss' character arc, I still can't see how he is set up to become "the bad guy" for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/
And the building Outer Heaven thing sounds so trite, when we don't see what Big Boss is doing in the game's events, I mean surely that's what we've spent the game doing all this time? =/
But there's a good 15 years between MGS 5 and MG 1 so there's room to pad it out more I guess.
sutherland sounds sinister as fuck in the tape to venom. something is definitely going on in regards to when big boss says "what you were meant to do?"
i don't know how much but something important other than mission 51 was definitely cut. chapter 2 in general feels like huge chunks are just outright missing.
"Boss, we have good news. One of your most loyal men, the man who saved your life, then one we thought had died, well, turns out he's still breathing"
"Breathing?"
"Indeed. He's suffered severe brain damage, but there's enough there that we can put together the pieces. We can teach him who he was, program his personality back, and he'll be able to continue to live his life."
"Life?"
"Great. We'll get start..."
"No. Make him me."
"...uh, Boss. What do you..."
"Program him to be me. The world's on my ass and I need a break. Make him into me."
"But Boss, that's ... y-you were disgusted at the idea of Zero cloning you to maintain your image. Why would you -"
"That was different. I think I've earned a break. Make him me. Send him to rescue ... Kaz? Yeah, Kaz. I heard he hurt himself, or something. Having another Big Boss would be useful, plus I could use a little less heat on me"
Pretty late in the Solid series to
Revamp it like this. I'm speaking purely acting wise, not gameplay. Troy Baker isn't good as Ocelot and most of the time he sounds like he's reading. The trophy to most annoying voice is Christopher Randolph, he's just bad in this.
Then there's a problem with the level of acting and that's because Phantom Pain can't truly find its identity. Miller sounds melodramatic but only compared to the seriousness of snake. Had this been in tone with the other MG, Miller wouldn't sound out of place. It's a hodge podge of ideas & acting that doesn't mesh.
I'm kind of happy this is the last Solid game... Maybe even the last Metal Gear. Gameplay became gradually better, as story, pacing, acting, and writing took a nose dive down.
Its said that he's used as some sort of catalyst for hate. And Volgin wanted BB dead. But he was in league with XOF, probably also through Skull Face who also powered Volgin through his hate. Therefore SF must've been close by in Cyprus, according to Ocelot. Yet Volgin's the one actually saving BB from execution, by killing XOF forces. Thats weird.
The idea that he was ever a bad guy seems somewhat retconned. Yeah he was trying to create his own nation but he was also one of the only people in the world that knew The Patriots AI was about to gain total control over everyone. Considering the future that played out in 4 with people controlled by nanomachines (people unable to even say the word "The Patriots" for instance, which is also kind of analogous to some of the ideas in 1984) it's hard to blame him for rebelling.
Its said that he's used as some sort of catalyst for hate. And Volgin wanted BB dead. But he was in league with XOF, through Skull Face who also powered Mantis Volgin through his hate. SF must've been close by in Cyprus, according to Ocelot. Yet Volgin's the one actually saving BB from execution, by killing XOF forces. Thats weird.
This is just my interpretation but I thought it was Zero/Cipher (Sigint and Paramedic at this point I guess) controlling him. I can't think of anyone else since it doesn't seem like Skull Face ever even knew Mantis was there.
I still just don't really get Big Boss' character arc, I still can't see how he is set up to become "the bad guy" for Metal Gear 1 and 2 really =/
And the building Outer Heaven thing sounds so trite, when we don't see what Big Boss is doing in the game's events, I mean surely that's what we've spent the game doing all this time? =/
But there's a good 15 years between MGS 5 and MG 1 so there's room to pad it out more I guess.
PS: Seriously, there better be a reason for why BB and VS have the same voice, that's ridiculous if not!
"Boss, we have good news. One of your most loyal men, the man who saved your life, then one we thought had died, well, turns out he's still breathing"
"Breathing?"
"Indeed. He's suffered severe brain damage, but there's enough there that we can put together the pieces. We can teach him who he was, program his personality back, and he'll be able to continue to live his life."
"Life?"
"Great. We'll get start..."
"No. Make him me."
"...uh, Boss. What do you..."
"Program him to be me. The world's on my ass and I need a break. Make him into me."
"But Boss, that's ... y-you were disgusted at the idea of Zero cloning you to maintain your image. Why would you -"
"That was different. I think I've earned a break. Make him me. Send him to rescue ... Kaz? Yeah, Kaz. I heard he hurt himself, or something. Having another Big Boss would be useful, plus I could use a little less heat on me"
wasn't it revealed it was a joint plan from zero and ocelot with miller brought in later? though big boss was entirely complicit when he eventually found out.
wasn't it revealed it was a joint plan from zero and ocelot with miller brought in later? though big boss was entirely complicit when he eventually found out.
Its said that he's used as some sort of catalyst for hate. And Volgin wanted BB dead. But he was in league with XOF, probably also through Skull Face who also powered Volgin through his hate. Therefore SF must've been close by in Cyprus, according to Ocelot. Yet Volgin's the one actually saving BB from execution, by killing XOF forces. Thats weird.
let's be real though. the game has warped us into thinking otherwise, but big boss is a war monger even further back than peace walker. that's pretty fuckin' evil. sure he showed mercy to enemies and was generally an okay guy personally, but he has an incredible bloodlust when it comes to conflict.
let's be real though. the game has warped us into thinking otherwise, but big boss is a war monger even further back than peace walker. that's pretty fuckin' evil. sure he showed mercy to enemies and was generally an okay guy personally, but he has an incredible bloodlust when it comes to conflict.
I get the feeling from mantis that he's just using XOF. After all, it was Mantis himself who allied with Liquid in MGS1 because he wanted to keep on killing a little longer.
The one thing I wanted this game to answer was why Big Boss was working at Foxhound while also running Outer Heaven and in the end it only made that entire situation a 100 times more convoluted.
eh, i dunno. kaz planted the seeds but through peace walker it's the player i.e big boss calling the real shots through the base management, development of weapons, building a giant nuclear death robot, dispatch missions, etc.
Well at some point by 1999 Big Boss has to become a warmonger. He tells Solid in his own words he wants to fan the flames of perpetual war. Its why Liquid's goals are the same in MGS1: to try and surpass his father.
Pick a dude who has the 'Tough Guy' attribute, and wear a 'Battle Dress'. Poke your head out of cover, or around a corner, and immediately go back into cover. If she fires that's your opportunity to pop back out of cover aim a little closer to her, or fire are her if you already have her in the middle of your screen, in the second or two that you have before she fires again.
They aren't lens flares, there's plenty of actual lens flares in the game. These things appear even when there is no bright light.
