SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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My understanding is for Code Talker the parasites are simply a benefit to him, but for Quiet they're a necessity. So Code Talker can probably still breathe normally while Quiet can't. Considering her accident probably has severe lung damage. The Parasite codecs are kind of wordy so I tend to tune out.
Right, because playing as a body double was so great. Come the fuck on
I have no problem with playing as a body double, it was just pointless and not the way to end the game. Obviously it doesn't seem like that was meant to be the end, but that's what we ended up with.
If that came out at the end of chapter 1 and we got something more substantial to end chapter 2, I'd be happy with it even.
If that came out at the end of chapter 1 and we got something more substantial to end chapter 2, I'd be happy with it even.
I'm surprised how much they put in the trailers. I suppose it doesn't matter that much out of context but they pretty much used scenes from every cutscene, including one of the final shots of Big Boss on the bike. Nuts.
It doesn't matter because you totally believed it for 35 hours+. It was great, I had no fucking problem with it. Who really cares if you play as the "real" Big Boss. By the end they both considered themselves as Big Boss anyways, plus the phantom was the one in MG1, so you were totally playing as Big Boss.
It doesn't matter because you totally believed it for 35 hours+. It was great, I had no fucking problem with it. Who really cares if you play as the "real" Big Boss. By the end they both considered themselves as Big Boss anyways, plus the phantom was the one in MG1, so you were totally playing as Big Boss.
That actually makes sense, Quite's lungs are indeed barbecued to the extent that they aren't there.
But because of the way it's presented and the way they keep telling you that "Skulls have abilities like Quiet" and then you see Code Talker talk about photosynthesis and water "like Quiet" and then you see him do that thing with the eyes...you start to think that they are the same functionally. basically it's never really explained why she needs to do it but others don't so it feels like it was unnecessary oversexualisation. Another case of Kojima thinking people would connect the dots easily because he had it all connected in his head but didn't manage to make it clear for the audience.
But then again, if Code talker uses his skin to breathe and uses photosynthesis then it all falls out. Because he can use photosynthesis while wearing clothes. So it seems to me that parasites replace those functions in any case regardless of you needing it or not. Code talker does say that he provides them with water and such and they keep him alive (he is over 100 years old afterall)
Well yes, parasites keep her alive where Talker is still alive on his own. Yet Talker doesn't need to eat, ever, because of photosynthesis. Same as Quiet in that sense, she doesn't need food etc. because of her parasites.
"Well she got burned so she needs to take off 90% of her clothes for photosynthesis to work where for Talker collar shirt and pants expose enough skin" <.<
It's also explained that Quiet and Skulls are basically same, afaik it's even said that they are formed by using same strain of parasites. Why Skulls can use full body armor then and not choke to death during boss encounters? They were made from healthy people? I got impression they were also as damaged if not even dead before parasite action.
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I respectfully disagree, I genuinely feel robbed, sad and frustrated it has ended in this manner lol.
I respectfully disagree, I genuinely feel robbed, sad and frustrated it has ended in this manner lol.
Stop being positive on a game? Is this just a negativity party in this thread, because I'll bounce if I'm not even allowed to say I loved the game.
The End wore a uniform and he was able to use photosynthesis...a lot of this parasite thing is based on his abilities.
They replace the skin regardless, "the one that covers" they say. Code talker says that they become the skin, this is why he was able to do that thing with the tattoo around the eye as his skin was all covered in parasites as well.
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By all means be positive, I was too up until around half way through the game. But to say it should have ended like that and it was better than MGS4 (which wasn't perfect but eh) I just can't get my head around. Not jumping on you but man I just... don't feel happy right now lol just ignore me atm.
It was still stupid. Nameless body double that was somehow as good as Big Boss himself. I get he was the best man at MSF, but come on. A little hypnosis & you can have someone on par with a man like Big Boss? Why even clone the guy then?
Again my theory is that the Skulls and Code Talker can breath normally and don't need the photosynthesis whereas Quiet does. So them wearing the suit wouldn't affect them. The Skulls were also heavily brain damaged so they weren't exactly mentally sound in the same way Quiet and Code Talker were. There might be something in the codecs I missed.
I don't think the abilities was what made big boss himself, it's never said that his fighting skills are what makes him Big Boss. Eventhough his CQC was top of the game but anyone sufficiently trained could have been as good, the reason why Big Boss was so important was because of the legend surrounding him.
Which if you remember is something that was fabricated, the legend started when he defeted Boss...who let herself get defeated and from there on it started piling up until Big Boss became this majestic figure.
Code talker uses photosynthesis though. It doesn't matter if he doesn't need them like Quiet does what matters is that he uses it and if he uses it then he uses it while wearing clothes. Just like The End, who needed photosynthesis to survive because of how old he was (same with Code Talker)...and who wasn't naked mind you.
As for Skulls being zombies, if I remember it correctly the reason why Quiet and Code Talker are not zombies is because they somehow stop the parasites from affecting their brain. I can't remember how but I'm pretty sure it's on tapes.
Maybe I'm just desensitised after MGS4. I'm certainly more positive with this twist than the Big Boss post credits thing in 4.
A little hypnosis and you can make Ocelot believe he's Liquid and fool a bunch of AI too. This series is INCREDIBLY stupid and has been since the first MGS. I still like it though.
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Also listening to the tapes, Zero was a friend all along and wanted to take care of Snake? Wat lol. So Signt was the bad guy? Lol this series is dumb.
Jawmuncher
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Yeah the parasite stuff was overboard. The tapes are long in repeating themselves over and over. They have as many rules as they need so that they work for Kojima. A majority of code talkers tapes are just him repeating how important language is. i swear it felt like some of them were the same thing.
I'm still not quite sure why the parasite causes skulls to act like they are along with making people puppets, and how exactly they give super powers if they hurt voice.
In the case of quiet I know she has to dress that way because she needs every ounce to survive. But she talk English at the end so why wasn't snake infected? Was he just covering himself when he kept saying a few words wouldn't be a issue.
So once again yeah the parasite stuff is all over the place and by far the biggest story issue for me.
I'm still not quite sure why the parasite causes skulls to act like they are along with making people puppets, and how exactly they give super powers if they hurt voice.
In the case of quiet I know she has to dress that way because she needs every ounce to survive. But she talk English at the end so why wasn't snake infected? Was he just covering himself when he kept saying a few words wouldn't be a issue.
So once again yeah the parasite stuff is all over the place and by far the biggest story issue for me.
Parasites are worse than nanomachines, fuckin Dues Ex Machina for everything just like nanomachines but with a lot more inconsistency.
The one dude that sounded the most chill in MGS3 becomes the bad guy lol.
And then BB kills Zero in MGS4, because it must end with zero....wat ?
The one dude that sounded the most chill in MGS3 becomes the bad guy lol.
And then BB kills Zero in MGS4, because it must end with zero....wat ?
Did Ocelot and Miller forget to tell BB that Zero was on his side? Lol
^^^Also Huey was so evil, goddamn. Killing Strangelove like that was brutal, what an ice cold guy. At least we can take comfort in the fact that he died like a loser.
So I just listened to the tapes that unlock after the end and something which I didnt get caught my attention. It's about the conversation between Skull Face and Zero. Does anyone know whose Pin which SF gives to Zero they are talking about? IIRC they are talking about a person that died 30th Dec 1941 and I don't seem to find anything about this. Thanks!
Akiyama_AE
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Got codename hero and my dudes horn shrunk thats interesting..
StarlordDial
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You are happy this franchise ended with its ending being cut ?
MGS4 ending was actually a legit ending even with all the crap it had
This had no closure
I always imagined true heroes with a big horn.
Actually can't wait to see how much I can grow it when I start building nukes for the trophy.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Didn't Ocelot hypnotize himself so he wouldn't know if Zero was on his side?
This series is a hot mess
Ocelot has been hypnotised that many times right now he truly believes Virgin Cola is the best soft drink.
I love you.
I love you.
Even then, it doesn't feel like a full ending. We still need the whole third boy stuff explained.
I really hope if we don't get DLC, we at least get Kojima explaining exactly what was cut story wise and how it would resolve, if at all.
Dick Justice
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So if I've unlocked side op 150, I'm boned when it comes to keeping Quiet as a buddy? Fucking garbage game design if true then. Didn't even unlock the Sniper Wolf outfit yet.
Of course it's not but it would have been better than what is there.
KOMANI
KOMANI
somebody never mentioned before... Another new mystery Kojima put on our laps as he exits the
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kusanagi1777
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So can you still climb walls like in the Africa demo or has that been taken out as well
crazyrabbits
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Oh yeah, you can still climb without any issues. All you need to do is find a crack in the cliff face and you can climb.
Oh totally. Ending on the TWIST was not the way to go out at all.
I also want to know if it was planned for Quiet to come back at some point. I'm not that bothered but I know some are and I could totally see a mission going wrong and then just a sniper bullet out of nowhere.
SomedayTheFire
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Edit: Never mind, I'm dumb
Garbage? No I would never go there. It's overall a great game that shows some clear signs of a troubled development process. I suspect the friction between Kojipro and Konami got pretty bad and the had to wrap things up somehow with what they had. Seeing how much stuff got cut I doubt this really is the final game Kojima had in mind, except for the gameplay itself.
Alpha Centauri
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Yeah you are hosed. Wheels are set in motion once you reach main mission 41. Only thing I found on the internet to keep her from leaving is to wear the butterfly emblem prior to mission 41 and you'll never get that cutscene
Haven't tested it yet though, I lost her
Yeah you are hosed. Wheels are set in motion once you reach main mission 41. Only thing I found on the internet to keep her from leaving is to wear the butterfly emblem prior to mission 41 and you'll never get that cutscene
Haven't tested it yet though, I lost her
I mean story wise it's fine what is happening with her, but they should probably give her back to you for gameplay purposes at some point. For example after you beat her in Extreme. Kinda sucks that they forcefully take a buddy away from you that you have invested time and money in.
Wrong way round. You have the butterfly emblem to stop that mission popping.
Get her bond to max after you remove it.
Jawmuncher
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Yeah quiet needs to be patched in. Even if she's only useable in side ops / free play. At least on PC there's a chance of someone fixing that.
Agreed. I'm keeping the emblem equipped just to stop her leaving mission from popping. That's just bad design to let her leave permanently.
I kinda get irrationally irritated just by seeing his face lol. What an annoying piece of shit, shame he had the same VA as Otacon, cause replaying the Solid Snake games is a bit harder after TPP.
Didn't the last Huey tape pretty much prove that he didn't actually kill her, though? Maybe I remember it wrong since I was dead tired when I listened to the tape, but I recall it making it fairly obvious Strangelove mistakenly got herself locked inside the thingie.
Wait is mission 45 the one where yous ave quiet and finish her story or side ops 150?
This is the only thing I haven't done yet as I want her for S ranking missions.
Someones modded Quiet to be a skin for Snake already. I'm sure there'll be a trainer that just changes a memory value and has her replace one of the other buddies.
Both, I'm not in front of the game so I can't confirm numbers, but she goes missing and is unselectable, then you get a side op to find her and then you're straight into the main mission to finish her story. Even if you quit at this point, you just continue in the mission. Once that side op pops, you're fucked.
he left her inside
So unequip the emblem do mission 150 and put the emblem back on before mission 45?
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