Akiyama_AE
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its fine thats what I do to blast through side ops
SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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its fine thats what I do to blast through side ops
Do you still pay for the chopper?
Nope
Sub_Level
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The Tanker was not VR for Raiden, at least not the one we played. Raiden did not initially know who Olga was, remember?
SomedayTheFire
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While I agree with your general stance, I don't think there is a lot of substance in the story of MGSV beyond the global plot beats, which is why people feel unsatisfied. I quite enjoy the theme and tone of this game but plot wise there isn't much development of many character arcs beyond Quiet, Skullface and Huey. The major players in the MG timeline remain static.
Pilgrimzero
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I think it supposed to be like Darth Vader. Fall from grace and rise back up (the whole /zero thing).
I like how 3 and 4 end it and I feel are the real endings to the series,
3 and 4 kind of show he was REALLY fighting Zero the whole time, even though it ruined his rep. Kind of like The Boss, ruined her rep though secretly was doing good.
Of course PW and 4 just seem to drop back in that he really is just a war loving bastard.
SomedayTheFire
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I'd say it was supposed to be like that, but PW and V seem to try and "justify" how the world of 4 came about in Big Boss' shadow, but all it does is as you say show him as a "war loving bastard." I think Kojima was going for something subtler but I don't think it's worked at all. Rather than showing him having a fall from grace but still a good guy (like The Boss), it just shows how he's no different than Zero's patriots.
Yeah, Huey has become the biggest cunt in the entire franchise but those tapes were damn entertaining.
One thing that doesn't sit with me. In the "Truth" we are still shown Ishmael/Big Boss gunned down in the hallway AND gunned down by the attack helicopter. In the first instance we're clearly seeing him get salt and peppered in the first row of people then fall to the ground, then we're instantly pulled aside by him from another room. What gives? Just another case of unreliable narrator?
Berserker976
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For as many problems as I have with this game, Miller absolutely is not one of them. To me he's the sole saving grace. Robin Atkin Downes knocked it out of the goddamn park.
You are clearly overthinking this. It was just someone he thought was Ishmael because of the bandage. He wasn't sure were he actually went because of the crowd.
KOMANI
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Agreed.
You're right. I looked at a video and you can see someone identical to BB standing at the front to begin with. I guess he just lucked out and survived getting knocked out by the gunship.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Miller is a problem for me.
There is no question his voice acting is excellent but he won't SHUT THE HELL UP. It's not Ground Zeroes bad but man it is still really bad.
EVERY TIME you finish a mission....Boss, we have received some new job offers. I have sent details to your iDroid. One of the CFA Knight agents sent in to monitor the Ki Long Go river Arms Trade was captured by rebel PF forces. My guess who funded them? Cipher. If word of his capture gets out it could spark ethnic conflict throughout the region blah blah blah. He is the single most annoying character in the series. Some people will say Rose but you can skip EVERY piece of Rose dialogue except for a 1 minute scene at the end. The only way you can interrupt Miller is with more Miller.
SkylineRKR
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Huey is absolutely a fucking cunt. But his dialogue about DD was amazing. Could really feel that he was grasping straws there. Everytime he was exposed with something I lol'd. But the Dogs disappointed me at the same time, they should be ruthless, they should've waterboarded him as per the trailer. And shot him when they judged him. The men asked for his head, it would make for a weak leadership if they don't act accordingly. Which they don't. I was with Miller there, the ass got away with it and probably survived as well.
josecitoxnyo
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You need to check again. The camera moves fast to make you think that when in fact there's 2 bandaged guys in the hallway.
Berserker976
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It's interesting, his chattiness really bugged me in GZ, so much so that I was completely ready to write him off in TPP. But in MGSV, even though he still has way too much to say, it didn't really bother me all that much because of how the events of GZ changed his character. You can tell in TPP that this is a guy that has been pushed beyond his breaking point. There are remnants of the old Miller, but mostly he's this bitter, constantly furious, damaged man.
He's basically what I thought Big Boss would be/should have been.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
The worst:
You're extracting, him?
Why yes I'm extracting the damn person I'm supposed to be extracting! SHUT THE HELL UP KAZ
Don't destroy their anti air radar, it isn't one of the targets.
Nah. The worst is when Quarantining 200 people.
Haha, I was about to chime in with the same thing.
The bit about Cipher is the bit I hate the most, like Zero literally tells Kaz that it wasn't him who attacked them 9 years ago and that it was a branch of Cipher gone rogue. He then tells him that he's keeping Snake safe and he'll be up and running in no time. Yet All the way through the the game Kaz is like "we need our revenge against Cipher" "Skullface is Cipher" "Cipher did this to us".
I hated it anyway before I heard the tape, when I eventually heard the tape I wanted to throw the pad at the TV.
SkylineRKR
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Spend 30 minutes doing that. Absolutely terrible. Might as well not given a fuck.
IT'S A TARGET IF I WANT IT TO BE
I'm a little confused on whether Miller is supposed to be blind now. Has he been blind since we rescued him? He had Blind or even Parasite looking eyes when he did the speech so idk.
Lmao.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Just finished up the last side op.
Anyone know what the max level for the Unit/Teams are? I thought it was 50 but my Combat Unit just went to 51.
Anyone know what the max level for the Unit/Teams are? I thought it was 50 but my Combat Unit just went to 51.
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Xpike
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Cipher advanced past just Zero, it became this huge organization run by the AIs and Skullface and that's what Kaz wanted to destroy.
That's what I did. I figured out immediately what the problem was but boy was that tedious. I just said fuck it and tried to go through these story missions as quickly as possible to get over this parasite bullshit.
TheLostBigBoss
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It's kinda funny how Venom Snake is literally Skull Face when you learn about the twist.
Venom literally had his life stolen from him by Big Boss.
"His country, his family, his face, all stolen from him".
Venom literally had his life stolen from him by Big Boss.
"His country, his family, his face, all stolen from him".
I'm sure the D. Dogs would be pleased to know he committed suicide via drowning while his new wife was cheating on him with his son, as chronicled in MGS2.
In a way, Venom kind of gives us that fall from grace thing we wanted from Big Boss in that it implies that BB already turned into a self-righteous motherfucker we all know long before TPP - at the very least, right after the first ending of Peace Walker. Willing to pull this shit on a random MSF member as a means to an end.
SomedayTheFire
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Two phantoms were born...
Ether_Snake
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That's wishful thinking from people who really want BB to turn evil, but so far nothing indicates he's turned into an asshole, and the cut audio scene even doubles down on both he and V just wanting to build a better future, but seemingly unable to do so in the end.
Maybe so, but so does BB in the end. They are both trying to do the same thing, so there's nothing really wrong done to V, the guy is serving BB as he wanted before.
Actually, now that I think of it, self-righteous motherfucker or asshole wouldn't be the right word but rather BB is just incredibly optimistic or to full of himself about his mission, enough lay it on another guy just like that and expecting him to pull it off for him. Eventually, the gamble turns on its head with Venom becomes the demon as implied by the ending (well, that's what I got from the ending, visual cue wise).
EDIT: Also an interesting thought, Venom is technically the only "clone" BB actually consents to having lol
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Xpike
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You don't think leaving Kaz to die without even telling him anything was not something an asshole would do?
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No, he had him saved by V. Plus, Kaz is an asshole and worked for Cipher anyway, boo hoo.
On an unrelated note, I'm pretty sure BB never goes back to Foxhound. The whole 1984/Big Brother stuff with Kaz in chapter 2, and the fact that he is outright dressed like BB in MG1's concept art (trench coat, tie, etc.), it makes me think Miller will go work for the US and use the BB name for their end. It parallels Big Brother and how he is a myth, a legend, where his true origins or if he event exists is unknown, and INGSOC uses Big Brother for propaganda purposes.
SomedayTheFire
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But Snake knew both Master Miller and BB as separate people.
I'm the same. Aspects of the games story I love and hate. It's a grey area. And I'll happily eat crow if this is some meta masterpiece ala MGS2 (I'd love nothing more) but right now it feels like a mismanaged project instead of a conscious choice.
It's weird because they murder people for their job but they don't want to execute someone who betrayed them 9 years ago, made weapons for Skull Face, betrayed his wife and murdered her, betrayed Diamond Dogs again by making the parasite mutate and killing even more people.
I can't believe Venom would let him live after all that. At least I get the satisfaction knowing Huey died horribly later.
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We don't know that, we don't know how BB is involved in Foxhound exactly. For all we know he never meets him face to face, he's just the CO of the organization but runs things from behind the scene. It remains to be seen. In 1984, Big Brother is never seen by anyone directly, yet people think he is alive and in command, but in reality he's just a fabrication used to control people.
edit: Plus, I think the LE manual or some such says the BB in MG1 speaking to Snake might be an AI. I don't know how literal that is supposed to be, we'll see. I still think the INGSOC website is related to all this, so we should get some sort of hint soon.
SomedayTheFire
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I suppose it has been retconned it could be anything. We'll never know unless Kojima releases a full timeline.
If BB was an AI in MG1 I'll be a bit annoyed. I could take that it was BB going against Venom, but I suppose being a patriots pawn in MG makes sense, don't like it. I liked the simple BB was in foxhound who were ordered to take out Outer Heaven so BB sent the soldier he knew and a rookie he thought he could beat.
Same here. Then I went through the next couple of story missions so fast, I figured only like 5 to 10 of them would have died if I hadn't quarantined a single one. I thought it was a fantastic idea, but when you figured out who were the infected ones, you should have been able to just tell Kaz to automatically throw anyone who knows Kikongo to the quarantine or something.
Fucking pain in the ass to do it manually.
Yeah, it struck me as really odd, too. I can't judge Huey, but I've been judging hundreds of soviets (hell, mostly "innocent" guards, even) for the past dozens of hours, and the sentence has always been death?
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Xpike
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Big Boss personally trained Snake and gave him his codename tho.
TheLostBigBoss
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Considering he has lied about everything and openly said he hates all of us, I think it's reasonable to assume that he bailed out of MSF and called in the inspection to topple it and get out scot free.
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