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[MMarston]

So I take it we never found out why Skull Face tried to kill Big Boss.

After listening to post-ending tapes concerning him and Zero, I'd say it was mainly to make sure he came out in top considering how much he recognizes the kind of shit BB could do.

 

[Akiyama_AE]

I did, but it was pretty much some sort of a recap of GZ. Also saw the fisting action which was nasty as well.

Still, a lot of controversial stuff was being unused. But perhaps Konami was like 'broad audience breh, dial it down'

yeah the fisting was nasty as f, My friend was sitting with Me he said what the fuck are you watching lol.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

So I take it we never found out why Skull Face tried to kill Big Boss.

Because he has a skull for a face and an evil looking fedora. He just does bad guy shit.

 

[Jarmel]

After listening to post-ending tapes concerning him and Zero, I'd say it was mainly to make sure he came out in top considering how much he recognizes the kind of shit BB could do.

However BB was against Zero too. Skull Face's disagreement with Zero makes sense but then the whole catalyst for BB's stuff is a big whiff.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Did I miss the explanation for why Skull Face started wearing the mask after GZ?

 

[SkylineRKR]

Because he has a skull for a face and an evil looking fedora. He just does bad guy shit.

I'm not hiding my face in the public, its who I am!

Wears awful domino mask anyway.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

However BB was against Zero too. Skull Face's disagreement with Zero makes sense but then the whole catalyst for BB's stuff is a big whiff.

Not really.

The tapes at the end basically clear everything up. Zero was in a coma by the time Big Boss wakes up, MG and MG2 Big Boss is basically fighting for control over the AI systems Zero implemented.

 

[Dick Justice]

After listening to post-ending tapes concerning him and Zero, I'd say it was mainly to make sure he came out in top considering how much he recognizes the kind of shit BB could do.

The Zero tapes were great. Really expanded on his character, and made the jump from radio support guy to Patriot boss seem a lot less ridiculous.

 

[Jarmel]

Not really.

The tapes at the end basically clear everything up. Zero was in a coma by the time Big Boss wakes up, MG and MG2 Big Boss is basically fighting for control over the AI systems Zero implemented.

At the time Skull Face put BB into a coma, Peace Walker had just happened with BB deciding not to go along with Cipher.

 

[SkylineRKR]

The Zero tapes were great. Really expanded on his character, and made the jump from radio support guy to Patriot boss seem a lot less ridiculous.

Past MGS games made him an evil mastermind but seeing MGS3 this was way too far fetched for such a well mannered guy.

In TPP he's still the well mannered guy, with a new ideal to fight for sure, but its Skull Face who puts him to sleep and sets everything in motion regarding the evil Patriots.

He's just been Aurora'd by the evil pin, the true antagonist of MGS.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

At the time Skull Face put BB into a coma, Peace Walker had just happened with BB deciding not to go along with Cipher.

No, Zero visited Big Boss after Skull Face destroyed MSF.

 

[MMarston]

However BB was against Zero too. Skull Face's disagreement with Zero makes sense but then the whole catalyst for BB's stuff is a big whiff.

My point still stands though. SF seems like he's concerned more about BBs capabilities as a leader and soldier so I think he really wanted to get rid of him rather for that.

Also, not only is BB a renowned symbol of sorts, but one created by the Westernized ideology he wants to take revenge against. So basically, BB is among the top of SF's to do list.

 

[Masaki_]

Was there an actual reason Quiet couldn't just communicate through writing after all? If the parasite is only activated by spoken words, what was the issue?

 

[Anung]

Was there an actual reason Quiet couldn't just communicate through writing after all? If the parasite is only activated by spoken words, what was the issue?

Plotholes, son.

Plus she could have spoken in a language other than English. Like talked to Code Talker and he could have translated.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Was there an actual reason Quiet couldn't just communicate through writing after all? If the parasite is only activated by spoken words, what was the issue?

Cause that's not dramatic

 

[Tc91]

Just finished it.

 

[Jarmel]

My point still stands though. SF seems like he's concerned more about BBs capabilities as a leader and soldier so I think he really wanted to get rid of him rather for that.

Also, not only is BB a renowned symbol of sorts, but one created by the Westernized ideology he wants to take revenge against. So basically, BB is among the top of SF's to do list.

I don't find that particularly strong reasoning given that BB wasn't actively interfering into any of Skull Face's work at that point.

No, Zero visited Big Boss after Skull Face destroyed MSF.

Yes Zero still respected BB and considered BB a friend, but they weren't working together. Peace Walker made that clear.

 

[Xpike]

Was there an actual reason Quiet couldn't just communicate through writing after all? If the parasite is only activated by spoken words, what was the issue?

parasites, son

 

[SkylineRKR]

Skull face felt under appreciated by BB and his crew. He always worked in the shadows with XOF, the other side of the coin.

But I think he had to make this move as he had captured Paz and Chico in order to deduce Zero's location to send him the Pin of death (Zero was looking for this Pin, couldn't SF ensure it would reach him via classified forms of transport?). And Chico was an MSF soldier, an close one to BB. He also hated BB anyway, probably because he clashed with his vision too.

Even Skull Face tried to accomplish what the Boss wanted. Getting sort of sick of this whole The Boss will shit.

 

[npa189]

So I take it we never found out why Skull Face tried to kill Big Boss.

Not that I saw, Skulface's motives remain convoluted. What a waste of a villian, they needed to elaborate how he and XOF worked behind the scenes of snake eater, just saying "I cleaned up any mess you made" just gives me the visual of Skullface going around pushing a dumpster filled with the bodies of the cobra unit and random guards.

Who the hell was he? Why was he so pissed at BB and Zero? Why does he have an affinity for 10 gallon hats and bandito masks? Who knows, Metal Gear!

 

[mgs2master2]

Huey is a piece of shit. Fuck that guy. shouldve killed him.

And Quiet just left my squad :/ kinda sucks I lost one of my best.

 

[Easy_D]

You know, I would've liked the ending more if it ended with Venom listening on the tape and then real Big Boss walks in, gives him a handshake, then shoots him dead.

Then you have a cool final boss against Solid. And the reason he didn't die in the end was because Quiet actually comes back to save your ass because magic.

KONAMI HIRE ME IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A SEQUEL

But no, really, it would've cemented Big Boss as a huge dick if he killed Venom himself to enjoy the fruits of his labour

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Was there an actual reason Quiet couldn't just communicate through writing after all? If the parasite is only activated by spoken words, what was the issue?

The parasites can read

 

[mgs2master2]

Was there an actual reason Quiet couldn't just communicate through writing after all? If the parasite is only activated by spoken words, what was the issue?

She essentially swore of the English language (writing included) to prevent the parasite from spreading. It was found out later that the parasite isn't airborne (Mission where Snake kills all his men in quarantine and the cassette tapes following) . It only infects the individual who speaks the targeted language. Hence why she spoke it at her ending mission. She saved Snake after he was poisoned, then ran off, knowing full well that she will die soon because she activated it.

my thoughts on the matter at least.

 

[Rhapsody]

I think my favorite story moments in the game were the Zero tapes, and the last Huey tape. I don't think any of the standard cutscenes did it for me.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Hideo should work with Square on Parasite Eve 3.

I know Third BD exists but fuck it. It actually has the same fucking twist as MGSV lol.

 

[News Bot]

But no, really, it would've cemented Big Boss as a huge dick if he killed Venom himself to enjoy the fruits of his labour

This would've made it a little more bearable because Big Boss' personality and character would be untouched. He already flipped out when he was cloned genetically, there's no reason he'd suddenly be okay with another clone just because the method was different.

Hideo should work with Square on Parasite Eve 3.

I know Third BD exists but fuck it. It actually has the same fucking twist as MGSV lol.

I don't trust Kojima with any established franchise.

 

[Sub_Level]

It's interesting, his chattiness really bugged me in GZ, so much so that I was completely ready to write him off in TPP. But in MGSV, even though he still has way too much to say, it didn't really bother me all that much because of how the events of GZ changed his character. You can tell in TPP that this is a guy that has been pushed beyond his breaking point. There are remnants of the old Miller, but mostly he's this bitter, constantly furious, damaged man.

He's basically what I thought Big Boss would be/should have been.

Well I agree with you there. He is amazing in the tapes and cutscenes and probably the best character in the gamem But god I wish he would be quiet during gameplay.

The hamburger sub plot was more explored than Big Boss.

 

[Zekes!]

giving it some more thought, everyone's desire to fulfill The Boss's will comes off as some hardcore simping shit

maybe it's just me

 

[Jarmel]

What gets my goat about Huey is that he was stupid enough to create a world ending virus that almost gets out and he's such a piece of shit whining about BB cleaning up his mess.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

What gets my goat about Huey is that he was stupid enough to create a world ending virus that almost gets out and he's such a piece of shit whining about BB cleaning up his mess.

What gets my goat about Huey is every single thing he says and or does

 

[mgs2master2]

What gets my goat about Huey is that he was stupid enough to create a world ending virus that almost gets out and he's such a piece of shit whining about BB cleaning up his mess.

Dude got his mind fucked up working with Cipher and SkullFace. Killed his own wife, used his kid as a test pilot, and a whole bunch of other shit. He was thinking about himself the entire time as well as his research. I would feel bad for him, if he wasnt a piece of shit.

 

[Jarmel]

Dude got his mind fucked up working with Cipher and SkullFace. Killed his own wife, used his kid as a test pilot, and a whole bunch of other shit. He was thinking about himself the entire time as well as his research. I would feel bad for him, if he wasnt a piece of shit.

Oh all of that is evil as fuck and he's lower than the shit DD pops out but the virus stuff is just idiotic on his part.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Too bad Hideo had to connect another few franchise figureheads. If Huey was unrelated to Otacon, he could've executed him in this game. Now we endure a guy seeing threathened and tortured, but thanks to older MGS games we know he dies in the late 90's.

 

[Marvel]

Fucking Huey, ugh

 

[tuxfool]

The parasites can read

It is amazing that they can see from inside the vocal chords.

 

[Anung]

Huey is the only character who became a demon. Venom was such a nice guy.

 

[Jarmel]

It is amazing that they can see from inside the vocal chords.

Well if Code Talker can see all over Motherbase, don't see why they can't either.

 

[Ether_Snake]

giving it some more thought, everyone's desire to fulfill The Boss's will comes off as some hardcore simping shit

maybe it's just me

It's probably the dumbest part of the whole MGS story. So annoying.

 

[Anung]

It's probably the dumbest part of the whole MGS story. So annoying.

I don't mind it in theory. But they never show him being this awe inspiring person people rally behind. You get that vibe from The Boss.

 

[sexyelder]

I think there may be a few secret cutscenes no-one had seen yet. Like Venom with his skin burned off. That has to be in the game somewhere. Perhaps if u replay the story as full demon snake?

 

[Garrett Hawke]

It is amazing that they can see from inside the vocal chords.

I know, my mind was blown

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I think there may be a few secret cutscenes no-one had seen yet. Like Venom with his skin burned off. That has to be in the game somewhere. Perhaps if u replay the story as full demon snake?

errr, what?

 

[sexyelder]

errr, what?

Full horn?

 

[tuxfool]

Well if Code Talker can see all over Motherbase, don't see why they can't either.

But code talker doesn't have the vocal chord parasites. Those are different from the ones he, Quiet and the Skulls have on their skin.

 

[The Silver]

I can understand themes without getting sucked into pretentious babble that makes no real sense other than to support a sketchy narrative.

In MGS1, it's never stated exactly how Solid Snake is meant to be inferior. Genetically it makes no sense, since whether he has dominant or recessive alleles wouldn't make much of a difference. Does it refer to his experience? Well then of course he bested Liquid because Liquid wasn't the one who went through Outer Heaven and Zanzibar and beat Big Boss twice, which ties into my original post. The game goes out of its way to portray Liquid and Solid as opposites, but also equals. So Kojima can't arrive at the point in his own narrative.

In MGS2, Raiden is already an extremely capable soldier who was the best child soldier in Liberia, trained from childhood by Solidus Snake, who followed Solid Snake's mythos and underwent VR training. During the Big Shell incident, he succeeds only with the help of others. He doesn't do anything particularly special besides killing Solidus and a fat bomber on roller skates. He doesn't match Solid Snake, and that was never the point of the S3 Plan to begin with. It was to see if people could be made to play specific roles if presented appropriate context. This doesn't translate to "magically become best soldier ever." The next time we see Raiden he's been literally dismembered. He was never equal to Solid Snake.

MGS3 depicted Big Boss' earliest major mission at a crucial turning point in the series that serves as the progenitor of everything else. It didn't undercut anything, it showed how he came to be the best soldier that century. He was still just as legendary as before, as you can't become a great soldier without training and experience, both of which were explained by MGS3.

MGS4's story is where the whole thing collapsed so it's not a great example. It's a game absolutely buggered with retcons, contradictions and shittier writing than any of its predecessors. Peace Walker and MGSV just followed suit.



Wits and instincts aren't shit if your muscles are dead. Venom might as well have just stayed in a coma.



People don't "get" memories. Not even in MGS2 is this ever a thing. Even if it were possible, how would you do it? Would the person remember absolutely every single action and thought at the time of the memory? Or do they just have a vague notion of "something happened"?

Oh, and "meta" doesn't mean "good."

It's not dominant and recessive, it's inferior and superior.(twin snakes fixes that) It was referring to their "soldier genes" the stuff they isolated in BB's DNA and put in the the genome soldiers that made them, stronger, faster, better eyesight, faster reaction times, etc etc. Liquid had all the good stuff that made him a Brock Lesnar genetic freak of nature while Solid had all the shitty stuff.

Raiden had his memories repressed, his only experience in his mind was the VR training. I think taking down a hoard of Metal Gear Rays is the biggest feat in the series, and taking down Solidus cannot be downplayed with how badly the deck was stacked against him with the exoskeleten. He doesn't have to be literally as good as Solid, the point is he could fill in the "role" of his legend, the patriots proved they could do it to anyone. That's what Venom does, he might not be as good as BB in reality or maybe he is, it doesn't matter, he just has to play the role.

MGS3, it was about The Boss. She was the supposedly greatest ultimate soldier of all time and what happens, she gets taken down at the end despite gving it her all. Snake bought in to her hype and legend and didn't believe he ever stood a chance against her, the government sure didn't believe in Snake as it was set up that Boss was going to take a dive. Only the Boss herself didn't believe her own hype and knew Snake always had it in him to beat her and the Cobras.

MGSV then reveals that Skullface was behind the scenes and how he insured Snake's missions including Snake Eater would succeed. BB's crowning moment in Snake Eater was revealed to be not as crazy and legendary as the stories make it seem.


The problem with many of the characters in the series is they buy into and become obsessed with the legends. Liquid, Solidus, Big Boss, Zero, the Patriots, all of them had issues with trying to surpass, live up to, and/or recreate the stories in their heads, obseesed with the "secret sauce" they think the legends had.

The only person that never gave a shit about any of that stuff was Solid Snake, and you could say The Boss too I guess.

 

[Dick Justice]

Getting sort of sick of this whole The Boss will shit.

But The Boss is an infallible female Jesus, dontcha know?

What gets my goat about Huey is that he was stupid enough to create a world ending virus that almost gets out and he's such a piece of shit whining about BB cleaning up his mess.

Kojima's thought process after making Peace Walker: "Wait, doesn't this dude try to kill his daughter along with himself at some point? Shit, better make him into a colossal asshole by any means necessary."

 

[Mexican Sting]

Huey is the only character who became a demon. Venom was such a nice guy.

Lol, so fucking true. I'm glad that both I and Kojima are done with this series, finally. On to bigger and better horizons!

It's probably the dumbest part of the whole MGS story. So annoying.

Eh. I'd argue this whole Venom switch bullshit is.

 

[Ishida]

I think there may be a few secret cutscenes no-one had seen yet. Like Venom with his skin burned off. That has to be in the game somewhere. Perhaps if u replay the story as full demon snake?

That was just for the trailer, breh.

 

[sexyelder]

errr, what?