CambriaRising
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Pretty sure KojiPro LA is only making MGO, and they didn't make FOB. And yes, having actually been involved in game development, I do know how the industry works. But thanks.
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Pretty sure KojiPro LA is only making MGO, and they didn't make FOB. And yes, having actually been involved in game development, I do know how the industry works. But thanks.
Konami cares about ROI, not artistry.
Zombie James
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It kind of bothered me how there were bugger all bosses in this game.
MGS always had great bosses
Not as bad as Peace Walker but not much better. Second-worst in the series, easily.
If you consider that a MGS must have plenty of cutscenes and a standard, fully-realized plot, which is completely reasonable, then that is fair enough, indeed. I'd take Chapter 1 alone over MGS4 any day, though
Defining MGS isn't really my point though. MGSV is not a complete game or story. I don't care if it's different, I care that it's barely realized.
Also, as much as I understand the complaints about Quiet disappearing forever, they kind of feel like they're missing the point. Quiet is gone, she's dead. Of course that sucks; that's what is so tough about it. It comes out of nowhere (unless you spoiled yourself ahead of time) and hits you like a ton of bricks.
And there are repercussions for her death. In fact, it's the only real repercussion that really seems to stick on a narrative and gameplay level - the game makes you realize the loss through getting used to her usefulness and taking it away. It's arguably the only effective character beat of the game in my opinion.
I don't want to say it's exactly analogous (and I'm hesitant to make this analogy because it's probably going to throw the whole discussion off-track), but it's almost like complaining about Aeris dying back in 1997 and how you put so much time into leveling her up. Yes, that's a gutpunch. But it isn't an inherently bad design decision to prevent her from returning - it's the gameplay complementing the narrative for once.
And there are repercussions for her death. In fact, it's the only real repercussion that really seems to stick on a narrative and gameplay level - the game makes you realize the loss through getting used to her usefulness and taking it away. It's arguably the only effective character beat of the game in my opinion.
I don't want to say it's exactly analogous (and I'm hesitant to make this analogy because it's probably going to throw the whole discussion off-track), but it's almost like complaining about Aeris dying back in 1997 and how you put so much time into leveling her up. Yes, that's a gutpunch. But it isn't an inherently bad design decision to prevent her from returning - it's the gameplay complementing the narrative for once.
loaf of bread
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Why do Venom and BB have the same voice? Is this covered?
Akiyama_AE
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anyone know the list of doors you can access in motherbase?, I know of the medbay and battle gear place ..
Kenzodielocke
Banned
The whole fucking time I was thinking when I will see the Big Boss on bike cut scene. Well..
Also the game wasn't very subtle with it's "twist".
The gameplay is phenomanal. I am just catching up on what was scrapped storywise. I would've just liked a simple revenge story but this is kinda stupid.
Also, Kiefer did a good job.
Also the game wasn't very subtle with it's "twist".
The gameplay is phenomanal. I am just catching up on what was scrapped storywise. I would've just liked a simple revenge story but this is kinda stupid.
Also, Kiefer did a good job.
The lack of knowledge, indeed.
FOB was developed by Kojima's team.
MGO was developed by the LA studio.
He's his Phantom Ganon.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Hey, I've got a more general question about Zero's role in the narrative. I'm possibly all wrong, but as I understand it he was in charge of the mission to kill The Boss and turned out to be working for the Patriots (which is a surrogate for the Illuminati possibly?), and everybody in this series seems to fear them and want their power neutralized, right? I can only remember Solidus being controlled by them but are they the force that kind of bring everyone together against them (Foxhound, Snake, etc)? Can you tell I played the games but didn't really focus on the story too hard? Ha.
I don't agree the gameplay is sublime. I don't think the game benefited by getting away from the tightly constructed set pieces of the previous games.
That's just me tho
I feel you. I've been in a poor state of mind ever since I saw the truth ending. It's terrible really. Seeing a bad game fail at being good is one thing, but seeing a great game just inches away from being iconic and unforgetable is a terrible thing indeed.
You didnt even really fight the man on fire properly.
I kept waiting for the big showdown that never happened.
Like they get his body aaaaaaand thats it?
Talk about a fucking anti climax!
Given what happens with her character model in that scene, I imagine it super breaks with Ocelot in place.
I have the same feeling.
I'll still probably replay it though. Not for the plot, but as a sandbox game.
Screwing around with the enemy has always been fun in MGS games, but is especially fun in MGSV.
If theres any MODs that add a huge base and stuff like that to the PC version,
I would definitely want to double dip. But wonder how hard it is to create MODs like that for the Fox Engine.
I know there are MODs that already replace character models and enhance graphics, but some of them seem to be crashing the game.
How is it barely realized as a game?
tell me more.
Akiyama_AE
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I'm not saying its parasites but parasites son!
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that actually enjoyed the battles against the AI Weapons.
Solid Snake kills him in MG1.
loaf of bread
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Venom is "Big Boss" from MG1. Big Boss is "Big Boss" on the codec in MG1. Big Boss is Big Boss in MG2
The most useless retcon in the history of human storytelling.
As a huge MGS fan, I agree with most of what you said.
How is it not? What's there is fun, but a fun groundwork. I don't care about time or hours played, I care that the game fails to evolve beyond two basic mission types:
A) Fulton a specific guy
B) Shoot a specific group of guys
As the first act for a game, its great. Amazingly fun. But for whatever reason, most likely time, they never move beyond this.
We're left with a fantastic base that has no upper levels. Every previous MGS branched out and became more complex in its tasks and basic structure as it went on. Most great games do, and MGS V's failure hurts all the more.
More like the back half of the game bringing out our inner demons.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
That's just like, your opinion, man
But I'm genuinely curious as to what you found wrong with the controls.
loaf of bread
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What is the actual point of the medic switcheroo really? or is it just "lol twist"
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that actually enjoyed the battles against the AI Weapons.
They dragged unless you had great gear. Little variation. Felt like a war of attrition. I like Monster Hunter, but didn't really need it in Metal Gear.
Death Metalist
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I'd hate to know what you think if you played PW then lol. From all the gameplay videos we knew this was going to be a bigger, badder and more detailed Peace Walker.
That's just like, your opinion, man
But I'm genuinely curious as to what you found wrong with the controls.
The controls? He mentioned gameplay.
VS is hardly a character compared to Raiden. VS is basically a vessel of the player.
You can apply your reductionism to MGS1-4 in exactly the same way.
A) Go to a place and initiate a cutscene.
B) Go to a place and grab a thing and initiate a cutscene.
MGSV gives out a lot of tools to accomplish the mission types you've described - the only problem is, you've got to come up with those approaches. If you got yourself into a rut and only played it the same way for 30-40 hours, you are slightly to blame for it.
Kenzodielocke
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The both horror missions were great, wish there were more of those. I am talking about the house of devil and the quarantine scene on mother base.
I think the minute-to-minute player control is best in class.
You're totally right to point out that the open world structure hurts the experience. No one could reasonably argue the helicopter rides into each mission add something worthwhile to the experience.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Oops, that'll teach me to be reactionary. My bad bud.
Sure you could. You'd be wrong though.
You'll also note you reductions are far, far bigger than mine. You needed to be way more vague since you're making a much bigger leap.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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VS totally is a character.
He has values, like not letting his men fight, and being an all around good guy. He saves the world because it's the right thing to do, not because it's his mission. He's merciful. He's fair. He might not have a past that we're privy to, but he has one, one in which he is one of MSF's 'top men', and a pseudo past of being Big Boss that he believes in.
He's hardly a vessel for the player. I wanted to get revenge, Venom Snake being the chill dude he is didn't really want to.
Brah.
Miller x Venom is the OTP. Have you seen that chemistry?
Well there is the missing Camp Omega stuff, but I also really think there was another whole big area planned that was scrapped. Something more urban with more surveillance cameras.
CrispyGoomba
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So I was having trouble with the Extreme Metallic Archaea (where you have to beat the 4 skulls while defending Code Talker) and I saw someone's comment that you can easily cheese this mission. Just get D-Walker and equip it with the Gatling Gun. The skulls will, most of time, just stand and spray that rust. Sometimes they do attacks that knock you down but all you gotta do is get back on and keep aiming at one until they are down and out.
Also, I heard there is a mission 51? How can I unlock this? I have beaten all the missions but not all are S rank.
Also, I heard there is a mission 51? How can I unlock this? I have beaten all the missions but not all are S rank.
Krappadizzle
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Like what? I've not noticed anything worthwhile at all in the open world that would justify the lengthy dev time.
Spot on about the AI and animation though. They nailed that.
Wasn't Kojima depressed after he played/saw GTAV? I wonder why that was.....
Garrett Hawke
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Legit kept thinking they were going to kiss
but they never did
Shouta
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In Peace Walker, Big Boss made himself into a huge target to the world, so much so that the entire world feared the group as they had a nuke themselves. Lots of folks were after him or at least paying attention to him. The medic switch was so that after he came out of the coma, he wouldn't be an easy target his enemies that were left after the incident in Ground Zeroes.
Venom served to draw the flak away from the actual Big Boss so that Big Boss could go on and establish Outer Heaven and Zanzibarland while folks looked at Venom's actions. At the same time, Venom also built up Big Boss' name again as a soldier while doing that.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Why couldn't this just be a wonderful revenge story a la Oldboy. All the trailers gave me that feeling, but the game was nothing like that. Kaz had it's moments, but everybody else seemed so chill.
Then explain to me how MGS3 evolves into mission types that are more complex than MGSV. I'm not doing this to bash MGS3 - it's my favorite game ever. But I'm struggling to see how it has any more variety than MGSV, other than said variety being gated off by the story rather than the player (as it is in MGSV).
How?
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