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Fixed, IMO XD
Zomba13
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I dunno, there was two. Quiet was good (even though it is just The End on a much smaller scale with less possibilities) and Sahelanthropus was fun even if it was basic. The controls and mechanics made the fight one of the more fun Metal Gear boss fights in the series (obviously Rising is on top).
The 4 sniper fight is just the Quiet fight again with 4 snipers and the rock men is just bullshit.
Unfortunately, that is what Mission 51 was supposed to have been.
jediyoshi
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Wow I was under the bad memory the 'what about him' was something they added only when you saw it during the twist reveal in the game. Amazing he tipped their hand to that
Dick Justice
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After all the complaints about too much fan-service in 4, he probably thought "well fuck you, no more fan service".
Rogue Agent
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I think Zero's role in the prequels was very deliberate in that instead of adding much to his character to "justify" him turning bad to fans who didn't approve of that twist, Kojima wanted to limit his role and keep him mysterious up until the end where he could then clear up presumptions about the man and portray him in a more sympathetic role (in contrast to Skull Face) and reveal that this guy is very much a human being still like he was in MGS3 even with the very controversial decisions he's made at this point to achieve his interpretation of the Boss' will".
He didn't just become your stereotypical supervillain one day like everyone assumed because he led the Patriots, that's missing the point I think and why this was never depicted in any game. Heck, they even added in Zero doing shady stuff with the XOF unit (kind of similar to Portable Ops) that we didn't know about during Snake Eater times, to show he was kind of on the "gray" side all along and didn't "change" as such.
I suppose I can't tell you to not label him a "monster" considering the hugely negative way he has impacted the world with his actions, but I don't think he was ever meant to become an openly malevolent character like people assumed just because he founded the Patriots. The Patriot A.Is we knew in the Solid Snake games it was stated in 4 were more evil than Cipher and deviated from Zero's will once he fell into his vegetative state, resulting in the war economy. They even made the final truth tape Zero's emotional goodbye to Big Boss, just to solidify that despite their ideological differences he had no true antagonistic feelings in this game towards Big Boss and still missed him as a friend and wanted to protect him.
As much as it was out of the blue and even I was disappointed with it at the time, I believe Kojima deliberately made someone like Major Zero and the other codec menners the leader of the Patriots to blur the lines of how people saw those type of characters, rather than inventing a cartoonishly evil character who probably mutilates kittens like Skull Face as their leader instead. I think the intent was to show there was no absolute evil in 4 and subvert our expectations of people that led an evil organization, just like he did with Ocelot and Big Boss in the end.
Ether_Snake
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Nope, BB is the one that becomes the player. He takes his name AND Ocelot even tells him to change his face to it.
For all we know, BB left forever, freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Mister Negative
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The thing that makes past bosses great is their character a lot of the time. These bosses had ZERO characterization. Quiet gets some, I guess, but I didnt even like that fight all that much since I tried to do the whole thing with a nonlethal SMG since I thought killing her would keep me from getting her as a buddy.
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Xpike
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we conmemorate the lives we lost on that day 14 years ago
Basketball
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What's under the mask
best part (she even sounds badass in game)
Ranking of evil:
5: Zero, turns out he was actually cool the whole time except when he wasn't but all the bad stuff was rogue elements of the organistion he set up, except for telling Paz to go steal ZEKE because reasons
4. Liquid, he's a shitheel
3. Skullface, theatrical shitheel
2. PATRIOT AI because supercomputers
1. Huey, fuck huey
5: Zero, turns out he was actually cool the whole time except when he wasn't but all the bad stuff was rogue elements of the organistion he set up, except for telling Paz to go steal ZEKE because reasons
4. Liquid, he's a shitheel
3. Skullface, theatrical shitheel
2. PATRIOT AI because supercomputers
1. Huey, fuck huey
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Xpike
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until we know he left to command FOXHOUND and they somehow let him in even though Big Boss was already publicly the leader of Diamond Dogs among black ops.
No Ocelot?
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
In the cut mission 51 it shows all of mother base trying to finally take Sahelanthropus down.
sti4thewin
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guys this ost is so good for this game. This track gives me chills at the final paz scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHvYADuk8jY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHvYADuk8jY
Mister Negative
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Ocelot is the ultimate good guy.
No, the game specifies that Big Boss's "phantom" was defeated at the end of Metal Gear 1, and Big Boss's specific genetic code is a necessary piece of the puzzle in MGS4 (and can be mimicked by Solidus), which means that the body they recovered in MG2 must have been him.
Big Boss takes your name for a little while, doesn't take your face (see: MG2, MGS4), and goes and makes his nations of mercenaries.
Ocelot enjoys is a huge sadist who gets off on torturing people.
Royal Rainbow
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They should have just cut from looking at the mirror in the hospital bed to BB getting out of the overturned ambulance. Having to replay the whole intro was so unnecessary.
Reizo Ryuu
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Ether_Snake
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BB will do something heroic, he saved the world, helped Cipher indirectly in this game really (well, V did).
I am pretty sure BB will become a hero in some way to justify him leading Foxhound. The fact he hasn't gone outright evil (especially not publicly) but instead FEELS like he has a demon inside himself, is not without its reason. Kojima is drawing this out, but I am pretty damn sure there's another big moment for BB before MG1, something to turn him into a public hero.
Plus, Cipher might want BB on their side for propaganda purposes.
razzmahtazz
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Makes sense in that much of what makes a legend requires 2 people to bring to life with an army for support plus propaganda from Zero.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yeah, Big Boss never actually appears in the series after mission 46. Its just proxies.
He takes on the face of your avatar and goes on to live in some shed in Vietnam. When he dies his genetic data is used for SOP access.
Zomba13
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I did the entire Quiet fight with the starting tranq gun. I wandered into the area without knowing, started the fight, no tranq sniper yet, didn't know I could use leathal. I snuck around each time and shot her when I got close enough. That plus I really liked Quiet as a character and found her super useful make her a good boss to me.
Sahelanthropus was just this big, cool looking robot so that was enough for me. Metal Gear fights are always some of the cooler fights (unless it's vehicles in PW then they are long and boring) and fighting one so advanced was really cool, plus using vehicles and your helicopter showing up with covering fire made it super fun.
The rest though were bad. No characterisation, annoying mechanics for the armour ones. Just random tough guys that show up and then leave.
Mister Negative
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cool kinkshaming bro
in all seriousness ocelot has had "good" motives since the beginning. all he wants to do is help the boss.
Ocelot gets a ??? ranking
Ocelot and Big Boss (The real one) actually rank the highest in my list of evil people in the MGS series.
Razgriz-Specter
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I now view Ocelot as the co-hero of the series.
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Xpike
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and then create Outer Heaven and destroy the Patriots and modern society along with it.
So good.
... create a world of unending violent conflict so soldiers will always have someone to kill.
The Silver
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Zero still aint a good guy just cause he has a soft spot for Big Boss, he was about to nuke the US just to get BB on his side, the man is a psycho ex.
razzmahtazz
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Sorry for the late reply. Did you think Kojima was experimenting with doing a good/evil system there? Like in the Infamous series? Just because the appearance change due to alignment seems undercooked.
Ocelot is the guy who would burn the whole world down, and kill whoever crosses his way just to get Big Boss back to life. I don't understand why people see him as any sort of hero. The guy was pure evil.
Exactly.
Reizo Ryuu
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I'm gonna have to post this over and over again, but she's not dead, the parasites don't affect her, she went into exile because she could possibly become a bioweapon.
I wonder if she's still alive by the time of MGS4.
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Xpike
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well i guess by that point Quiet was in love with whoever Venom Snake was, not just the idea of Big Boss
i've always laughed at this. BB evidently thinks of war like a team sport where nobody actually dies or something
he should go play some splatoon instead
She gave her life, not for honor, but for him.
Berserker976
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She didn't die, just just left. She has no lungs for the parasites to destroy.
Razgriz-Specter
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Royal Rainbow
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Given that she tried to kill him twice thinking he was Big Boss I don't think she cared who he was. She saved Venom because she cared about him.
If she is, Drebin's probably working on that traumatic cut n paste autobiography of hers.
Old Quiet.
"A sniper with big, saggy tits"
Freakin' Drebin. When he told me those terrible B&B Corps backstories I was like
GwyndolinCinder
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They are both big boss, if she fell in love with the legend, she fell in love with him aswell.
no u thew playera are big bosn...................a ns he is u.................
Royal Rainbow
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Reizo Ryuu
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"Snipers have changed."
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