acheron_xl
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Other than the fact that converge is more flexible than sunburst, which only puts counters on permanents, it also doesn't have a name that is thematically tied to Mirrodin and its five suns.
Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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Other than the fact that converge is more flexible than sunburst, which only puts counters on permanents, it also doesn't have a name that is thematically tied to Mirrodin and its five suns.
Small note?
Why doesn't this say Devoid?
no colored mana in the cost
I figured it out, hence my quick edit
We know who the lead designer and developer is for the Spring Block? Maro & Lauer are only doing the Fall Large Set?
5th Dawn was clearly a case of "oh shit we screwed up with Affinity, we have to make a had U turn for the mechanics of this set". Not a surprise something like Sunburst ended up undercooked.
Etched Oracle is a pretty sweet card too. Also they just recently redid Chroma as Devotion and turned a forgettable mechanic into a Standard powerhouse and fringe Modern player. There's certainly value in trying a new twist on an old idea.
Because the Fetches plus Tangolands means decks will be able to play more colors without a massive penalty to their mana base. 4 Color decks, potentially even 5 Color decks if you splash lightly, will be considerably easier to run now. Plus it fits thematically with the Zendikari mana & allies vs. Colorless Eldrazi bit. Of course, most of the converge cards I've seen so far have been either mediocre or dogshit for constructed but maybe we'll see more playable ones.
Angry Grimace
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It's impossible to know it a set is good for drafting until you get the whole spoiler.
If this ends up sucking, well it's taking after the original set then.
If this ends up sucking, well it's taking after the original set then.
All of the payoff cards for Converge suck though. There's no actual reason to go 5C.
SigmasonicX
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I guess Sylvan Scrying is real
So the one we saw before was a bad attempt at making a larger version of the card.
So the one we saw before was a bad attempt at making a larger version of the card.
The Technomancer
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That blue one actually looks pretty bomb if you're in 5C. In a decent game you're getting at least four counters on it.
Angry Grimace
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draft Steppe Lynx, Plated geopede, etc., play a land for landfall +2/+2, attack on your turn and then just race with your opponent doing the same thing.
A Serious Man
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What if Converge is the primary mechanic of Oath and they're just sprinkling it into this set?
Also what if this is a thing:
Also what if this is a thing:
Steppe Lyx wasn't actually good in draft though. Bushwacker on the other hand...
ZZW was good because Worldwake was clearly designed to slow the format down. ZZZ was just "I have an 8 drop rare? Put it in my aggro deck!" for deckbuilding, which is just dumb.
That art looks like it belongs in Mirrodin.I guess Sylvan Scrying is real
So the one we saw before was a bad attempt at making a larger version of the card.
Angry Grimace
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There's already an Eldrazi temple and its way too powerful to print in this set
There were 8 drops in Zendikar?
A Serious Man
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Sure but this is for a single mana and is less about ramping and more about color fixing for Eldrazi.
Angry Grimace
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Awakening Zone 2 seems quite good. Brutal Expulsion seems very good to me. You can get half a Remand plus a Magma Spray.
Akoum Firebird continues the Red Mythic trend.
Akoum Firebird continues the Red Mythic trend.
Brutal expulsion seems pretty good if you are able to use both modes.
Edit: I just realized I was reading this wrong. I thought it was return spell or creature from a graveyard. As it is it can effectively counter a spell on the stack, right? That still seems pretty ok to me.
Edit: I just realized I was reading this wrong. I thought it was return spell or creature from a graveyard. As it is it can effectively counter a spell on the stack, right? That still seems pretty ok to me.
The first card implies it can get Eldrazi cards that aren't just creature type Eldrazi, right?
So this one was predicted by that weird MTGsalvation post, except it left out that last line of text. Really like the art.
Big fan of this one.
The second card, I like that it's a counter/bounce, and/or creature/PW burn spell. It's actually quite versatile.
Angry Grimace
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I don't know, control looks like it will be completely horrible so far.
Angry Grimace
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LSV's sample deck list forgot to take Stormbreath Dragon out. You have to play Sarkhan now 
LSV's sample deck list forgot to take Stormbreath Dragon out. You have to play Sarkhan now
not to mention the stokes, rabblemasters and the temples
Angry Grimace
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I guess you just gotta play Monastery Mentor and Manlands!
I like this quote:
"We knew that Zendikar was about land, and that we would need landfall back. But we wanted to do it in a way that felt different than the first time and wouldn't make Standard be all about landfall for eighteen months straight. To solve this, the first thing we did when we knew we were going back to Zendikar was to place the fetch lands in a set that was far enough away that they would not overlap in Standard for the entire lifespan of Battle for Zendikar."
<-----already owns 4 Scalding Tarn wassup
as the deck goes from bad to worse lol
Angry Grimace
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Mentor doesn't really do all that much compared to Rabblemaster in a deck that isn't specially built for him, true, but Manlands are better than Temples by any reasonable metric.
I mean, until we find out the R/W AND U/R manlands are in OGW.
This confirms no fetchlands in oath right? Interesting..
Well I could also read that as they didn't want the 10 fetches to overlap, not just fetches in general.
until the inevitable blogatog backpedaling
Modern isn't the first thing that pops into my head. I mean, it has actual Remand and Cryptic Command.
Angry Grimace
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It pretty much confirms there aren't any in "Tears" either. I don't think that second interpretation really works given the article straight up said he didn't want Landfall to be good in standard for BFZ's entire life.
It seems like the R/W land will be the final one in BFZ. It sets it up so that every color is represented in the large set and they already showed off what looks like the art for it (Bull Plateau).
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/challenges-revisiting-sets-2015-09-11
Soonest we'd see the fetches is next Fall.
Yes, Mark, they are colorless. This is not new, nor is it a thing that can actually connect them mechanically.
Soonest we'd see the fetches is next Fall.
From beyond is constructed playable , and also has my mind racing about a deck I thought was dead after rotation but could be even stronger. That deck is Constellation/Enchantments
Sure you lose Courser and Blossoms, but now we have Stasis Snare, From Beyond, Mastery of the Unseen, Evolutionary Leap, Starfield of Nyx, Herald of the Pantheon, and Sigil of the empty throne, and even things like the Retreat cycle out of the sideboard.
The deck is great at stalling the game, and the type of deck that could easily support 3 - 5 Eldrazi finishers like Ulamog, Desolation Twin, or Void Winnower.
Sure you lose Courser and Blossoms, but now we have Stasis Snare, From Beyond, Mastery of the Unseen, Evolutionary Leap, Starfield of Nyx, Herald of the Pantheon, and Sigil of the empty throne, and even things like the Retreat cycle out of the sideboard.
The deck is great at stalling the game, and the type of deck that could easily support 3 - 5 Eldrazi finishers like Ulamog, Desolation Twin, or Void Winnower.
Angry Grimace
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I guess I have 4 Marsh Flats and 4 Scalding Tarns, but I don't own any of the other ones *shrug*.
The only 2 modern decks I have are BW Tokens and Grixis Twin, so I don't really need any of the other ones.
It doesn't auto-lose to Stormbreath Dragon anymore, I guess. Losing Courser and Eidolon is probably too big to overcome though.
The only 2 modern decks I have are BW Tokens and Grixis Twin, so I don't really need any of the other ones.
It doesn't auto-lose to Stormbreath Dragon anymore, I guess. Losing Courser and Eidolon is probably too big to overcome though.
I guess I should make a disclaimer that all deck ideas I have are not actually good and just thoughts till I see how they do out in the real world lol. Hell I don't even know what the new Meta will even look like , Chapin made some great points on his podcast about how good the mana base is and that decks like Naya can have 3 untapped lands turns 1 - 3 that can produce any type of Color you need.
I recommend anyone listen to it, he argues that scythe leopard could be better than Steppe Lynx, and I see his point.
I recommend anyone listen to it, he argues that scythe leopard could be better than Steppe Lynx, and I see his point.
I'm on the lookout for good U/R spells for my Twin/Grixis deck, but of course this isn't going to cut it. But I just have a weak spot for U/R in general.
divisionbyzorro
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Brutal Expulsion can "counter" uncounterable spells, so that's kinda cool.
Is there actually another spell besides Mindbreak Trap that can exile uncounterable spells?
So could Venser. He could bounce permanents too.
divisionbyzorro
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This is really just a Jilt, actually. Less flexible, more powerful.
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