Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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The ps4 full range/rgb has a different gamma range.
I need to set all my inputs to different setting depending on what I am hooking up. If I remember right, full rgb has a darker gamma, but a higher colour palette.
DirtyLarry
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Thanks for the reply. This is what I thought could perhaps be happening however seeing the TV report 2160 as the source until I click Apply to keep these settings leaves me to believe that perhaps that is not the case. I have just seen some conflicting comments on forums. Some people saying exactly this, most people to be honest, but others saying they are seeing the source listed as 2160.
So just to confirm, you also have a Vizio M65-C1?
Also curious do you have Netflix? If so what are your results with it? I am never seeing anything about 4K on that either, but I am using ARC for the audio.
Thanks again. I am super confused to be honest so any help I can get is beyond appreciated.
Wow, that's a bit disappointing. Oh well, first pass. Hopefully improve on it.
ss_lemonade
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Does anyone else get headaches when using TVs that can do blackframe insertion? I've been using our Bravia's impulse mode for some time now and while it works great, I have also been getting these random headaches now that come and go with extended gaming sessions. Not sure if it has anything to do with impulse but I have always had it enabled. I also never noticed any of the flickering that's supposed to be associated with it.
I wonder if its just my glasses or if BFI has such a side effect other than flickering
I wonder if its just my glasses or if BFI has such a side effect other than flickering
Impulse mode gives me a headache.
ss_lemonade
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Well that sucks. Lightboost on the other hand (with my pc monitor) doesn't make my head hurt. I'll try playing around without impulse, to see if it helps. At least I get some brightness back without it
Tatsumi Oga
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And as for Xbox One, I need to keep color space to standard, right?
DOT DASH DOT
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Yeah I agree with that, but I think that as LG have thought it a problem enough to ship in 70 Koreans to fix it, must mean it's quite an issue. It's just pretty poor for such an expensive set of televisions to have these big defects. It's annoying as it's yet another year to rule out OLED for me, god knows what will happen after a year or 2 of use. I'll probably end up getting a top of the line Samsung next launch Feb/March.
Haint
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4k Netflix is only supported through various TV's built in "Smart Apps", the Nvidia Shield Console, and the "New" Amazon Fire TV. Xbone app does not do 4k. You also have to pay extra for the 4k subscription plan, it's not included in the standard plan.
So I'm thinking of getting the Sony KD65X9305 but I can't seem to find any reviews yet. Anyone know what the latency is like? Last years model seemed to get a good reception so I figure this one should be good.
Also, anyone know of any nice looking (wooden preferably) TV stands 1.8 meters wide? I'd be wanting to spend less than £500...
Also, anyone know of any nice looking (wooden preferably) TV stands 1.8 meters wide? I'd be wanting to spend less than £500...
Oh nice, I missed that, 36ms is plenty good for me.
Bubba_Sparks
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Reading some of the impressions in this thread has me really excited for OLED to reach the $1000 range for 50-55'. I currently have a Panasonic S60 plasma and am very satisfied, but I can't wait for 4K OLED in a couple years time.
Looking at some of the specs on the Panasonic UK and comparing them to the AX900 flagship LCD from last year...
- Both have a Quad Core Pro5 engine
- Poor input lag, same as the AX900
- No Firefox OS, uses old OS like the AX900
You can also see a very faint yellow vertical band on the 65% pattern.
I don't think I'd want one even if it was affordable.
Pagusas
Elden Member
If you buy a 4K tv from Best Buy you'll get a year of Netflix 4K streaming for free.
I don't have an xbone, but I believe you should have it on extended or full.
buenoblue
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I use the older 50inch Panasonic ax802b and its very nice. I use reolution upscaler on medium and it looks 4k ish on ps4 and xbox one. doesn't add any noticeable lag either. I have sli 780 ti aswell so can play some games 4k to. I also have a 84 inch screen for optoma hd 300x projector that probably beats out the tv for sheer wow factor and dlp is great for input lag.
PsihoPerihelion
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Does anyone own a Samsung JU6500? I'm interested on this TV and is actually close to my budget. I want to know if this TV handles well motion blur/ghosting. My last 2 TVs handled it like shit. Primary use is PS4 gaming, Netflix, and Blu-ray.
I want to know this too. Are 4k HDTV's worth it for gaming? I can pick up the Samsung J6700 55" curved 4k for 50% off. Or would I be better off getting the 1080p Samsung UN60J6200 65"? Also 50% off.
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Can't find any Panasonic plasmas for a good price and I got rid of mine a year ago...
buenoblue
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I'd say yes 4k tv is worth it. My 4k panasonic ax802b looks much better than my lg 47 1080p did. I use my 4k tv with 0 sharpness out of 100 with resolution upscaling and it looks sharp. Plus 4k bluray is out before Christmas and affordable 4k capable pc gpus will be with us in less than 2 years.
I can build an SLI machine right now but not sure if it's worth it since I don't have much time for PC gaming plus I'd rather get the new GPUs in a few months so I was planning on just doing PS4 + Xbox One + Wii U. So would a 4k TV still be my best option?
buenoblue
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I'd still say yes. Everyone I know played sub 1080p ps3 and 360 games on a 1080p tv for years. Plus when bluray 4k and 4k pc gaming are cheaper in a few years you won't have to upgrade your TV again.
I think you need sli 980ti for modern games at 4k. In 2 years a £250 gpu will probably be enough.
I think you need sli 980ti for modern games at 4k. In 2 years a £250 gpu will probably be enough.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Holy shit, holy shiiiiiiiiiiiit!
The EC9300 arrived yesterday and today i took the time to unpack it and try it all out. Decided to keep everything at default first, no changes. Fired up GTA V on the Xbox One with the default ECO setting and my first impression was....holy crap. This picture is DAMN crisp, full of detail. By default Tru Motion was enabled and i am surprised to say it is actually very very decent with it.
I expected to be disappointed with the default settings,but i certainly am not. Can't imagine how it will look after proper calibration. I remember when i went from the Sony W829 to the Panasonic 55CX700 how disappointed i was. The picture quality was so much better on the Sony. So i honestly was not expecting the PQ to amaze me this much on this LG, but it clearly craps all over both TV's in my book. And again...this is only with the default settings. And now in Witcher 3 you actually have use for the torch because it's dark as hell inside interiors, lovely. The black levels are sick on this.
I made a photo, but in no way does it do justice. The rain races in FH2....well...damn, never seen it look THIS crisp.
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Anime?preview=20151006_143511.jpg
The EC9300 arrived yesterday and today i took the time to unpack it and try it all out. Decided to keep everything at default first, no changes. Fired up GTA V on the Xbox One with the default ECO setting and my first impression was....holy crap. This picture is DAMN crisp, full of detail. By default Tru Motion was enabled and i am surprised to say it is actually very very decent with it.
I expected to be disappointed with the default settings,but i certainly am not. Can't imagine how it will look after proper calibration. I remember when i went from the Sony W829 to the Panasonic 55CX700 how disappointed i was. The picture quality was so much better on the Sony. So i honestly was not expecting the PQ to amaze me this much on this LG, but it clearly craps all over both TV's in my book. And again...this is only with the default settings. And now in Witcher 3 you actually have use for the torch because it's dark as hell inside interiors, lovely. The black levels are sick on this.
I made a photo, but in no way does it do justice. The rain races in FH2....well...damn, never seen it look THIS crisp.
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Anime?preview=20151006_143511.jpg
Pagusas
Elden Member
That 2 year estimate on GPU's is extremely hopeful I feel, especially with the lack of progress and rebranding of old gen GPU's we've seen for the last 3 years. Unless something huge happens in the next 2 years a $250 gpu wont be cutting it for a good 4k experience, especially if in 2 years we are still working off rebranding 9xx series.
Congratulations man!
It's a great TV.
It's a good idea to try to use something with a black screen with a logo to make sure you get the black levels right. Brighten it till you can see the black getting lighter, then drop back until it goes pitch black.
Ps. The picture gets better with time, you may need to adjust gamma or brightness after about 100hrs. Enjoy!
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
According to this review, the motion blur rating on this set is "pretty good" and the input lag is only 26.5ms which is great. The JU6200 has even less blur but the input lag is much higher at 44.5ms.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
I believe Xbox One has a good calibration app that has exactly that. Will definitely do that.
buenoblue
Member
Maybe but with pascal hitting next year with a totally new 16nm design with stacked HMB2. Then a tweaked version the year after added to the hopefully 2nd wave of dx12 games and the improvements that brings.
Also I'm in UK and said £250 which is a bit more than $250. So yeah I think by the end of 2017 a midrange to high range gpu along the lines of 970 pricing could facilitate 4k gaming @60 on most games.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Been trying a few more games and when i started up MGSV it need to be updated. On Xbox One you then see a grey bar and it was here that i clearly noticed some real visible vertical banding, no small banding either, those are quite big bars. I also clearly noticed it in Gears UE when i was inside a building....tried all the picture modes and it didn't make a difference. But i have a feeling i can get used to this.
If you are unhappy with the TV's picture, they are normally pretty good at replacing them.
I was lucky with mines, no banding and great uniformity.
Bornstellar
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I had a tiny bit that seems to have gone away. If its serious you should see about getting the display replaced.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
I definitely will. So far it's not bothering me, but if it's going to stand out i will call them. I just hope LG in my country is just as good as in other countries. The service from Panasonic a few years ago with the VT30 was pretty damn bad. That experience makes me kinda say....meh fuck it, i'll just accept it as it is. I'll be gaming a lot this week, so let's see if it's going to get worse or not at all.
Plus the guy who delivered the TV said i should call the store if there was anything wrong, the guy was from LG and did not mention at all that i should call them. But maybe that's normal.
seventynine
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I'm looking to get a new TV around late November. My poor old 37" Bravia 768p is on the way out.
My budget is £700, The two I am looking at are KDL50W755C and KDL50W80.
Primary usage would be games and blurays via PS3/4.
How do they compare with input lag and picture quality?
My budget is £700, The two I am looking at are KDL50W755C and KDL50W80.
Primary usage would be games and blurays via PS3/4.
How do they compare with input lag and picture quality?
Dr. Zoidberg
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I think it's pretty common for that set to have some uniformity issues out of the box but people have reported that it lessens over time. This is from RTINGS review of the EC9300:
FrankNitty
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Totaleclipes
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Oh I envy you lol even though I would never spend 3k on any TV the picture of an oled display is unmatched.Waiting for my buddy to come over to help me move some TV's around
Dont do it, Samsung 6-series are the most returned 4Ks from Samsung. They are cheap but not worth it for gaming or anything like that. I used to work as a Samsung Expert in Best Buy and honestly I would never recommend any 4K Samsung makes that is bellow the JU7100. [JS7000 is just a JU6500 with an SUHD screen]. 7100+ In models offer 120hz Panel, vs the 60hz Panel on the models below it, plus a nifty box called the One Connect box that actually offers hardware upgradeability on the TV, so the USB, HDMI and Audio ports on the TV can up upgraded down the line if there's another shift in ports. Though the 9-series for Samsung this year are the only ones that offer full upgradeability sans panel, so CPU, GPU, RAM, OS can all be upgrades on those guys, also Last years HU Samsungs can be fully upgraded to this years connects, codecs and standards with the evolution kit. That's what I did to my last years HU7250 which improved performance and picture quality.
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Grats. I'll be getting mine here shortly. Saw it in person and it's the real deal, nothing matches that thing. Nothing even comes close at that.
The pioneer kuro krp 500m and pro 101fd have still not been beaten in terms of pure picture quality. From what i've been told, the black levels may have been surpassed but in other areas the kuro's are still king..I would love to be proven wrong though. Nothing would excite me more then to hear that these sets have finally dethroned the kuro's..
RedNalgene
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Looking for a recommendation - I'm getting a new 1080p TV for the living room and I've narrowed it down to a Vizio E Series or the Samsung J6200. I've ruled out the 4k TVs due to price and the fact that there isn't much 4k content right now (I can always upgrade later down the road).
The Vizios have better input lag, but the Samsung seems to be a better overall TV, though the input lag is just average. Anyone have experience with either of these and could recommend one or the other?
The Vizios have better input lag, but the Samsung seems to be a better overall TV, though the input lag is just average. Anyone have experience with either of these and could recommend one or the other?
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Been trying out almost all my games on the EC9300, that's part of the fun when you get a new TV. Check out all your games again. Input lag wise using any picture mode other than Game mode is just unplayable. At first i thought it was pretty doable, until i enabled Game mode and tried it out. But as it has been said before, Game mode + PC mode setting is the very best for low input lag. But not for picture quality.
Been testing it a lot in Halo 4 levels, and i am probably going to settle on PC input mode + ISF Expert 1. This is very very playable in terms of input lag and the picture quality does not suffer from it, the combination of PC + ISF Expert 1 seems to be great for both picture and low input lag. PC + Game isn't nearly as crisp as when it's with ISF Expert 1. Funny thing is, when i disable PC mode, both ISF Expert 1 and Game mode look great.
The only little problem i now have is that the colour is too warm for my liking with ISF Expert 1, i need it to be more neutral, more towards cold actually. On game mode and most of the others i can change the colour temperature, but not when i have ISF enabled. Which setting with ISF changes the colour temperature?
Have been playing GTA V and Witcher 3 for several hours and with Tru Motion on Clear and now it's rather hard to go back to no Tru Motion at all. With the PC + ISF combination, Tru Motion cannot be enabled. So for RPG's and other games i might disable PC mode then, cause this Tru Motion is something i like a lot and there don't seem to be any real bad artifacts.
Oh and i saw some people recommending to use black level : high
But no way am i going to do that, cause these lovely deep black levels go towards something i'd call dark grey. Or do people have enabled the PS4's RGB Full mode? And/or Xbox One's HDMI Colour space to PC when they do that?
Been testing it a lot in Halo 4 levels, and i am probably going to settle on PC input mode + ISF Expert 1. This is very very playable in terms of input lag and the picture quality does not suffer from it, the combination of PC + ISF Expert 1 seems to be great for both picture and low input lag. PC + Game isn't nearly as crisp as when it's with ISF Expert 1. Funny thing is, when i disable PC mode, both ISF Expert 1 and Game mode look great.
The only little problem i now have is that the colour is too warm for my liking with ISF Expert 1, i need it to be more neutral, more towards cold actually. On game mode and most of the others i can change the colour temperature, but not when i have ISF enabled. Which setting with ISF changes the colour temperature?
Have been playing GTA V and Witcher 3 for several hours and with Tru Motion on Clear and now it's rather hard to go back to no Tru Motion at all. With the PC + ISF combination, Tru Motion cannot be enabled. So for RPG's and other games i might disable PC mode then, cause this Tru Motion is something i like a lot and there don't seem to be any real bad artifacts.
Oh and i saw some people recommending to use black level : high
But no way am i going to do that, cause these lovely deep black levels go towards something i'd call dark grey. Or do people have enabled the PS4's RGB Full mode? And/or Xbox One's HDMI Colour space to PC when they do that?
FrankNitty
Member
Well I think that subjective honestly. Coming from someone that still currently owns a 500M and a 65ZT60. This is better, but again that's subjective.
GANGSTERKILLER
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A flat OLED TV, that's the way I like it. This OLED TV may blow every TV out of the water in terms of picture quality but the input lag is very high for me.
From the owners thread on avsforum.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/2132034-lg-55ef9500-65ef9500-oled-owners-thread.html
Even the OLED TV from Panasonic has high input lag, that's unfortunate.
I only replace my beloved Panasonic VT60 with a 65 inch OLED that has acceptable input lag (20/30ms latency).
I'm in no hurry though. The VT60 still rocks and has amazing black levels (also in a dark room), colors and motion clarity.
But I hope OLED will continue to be a succes because I see it as the true successor to plasma.
I will never deal with a LCD TV again. They keep improving these TV's but the blacks, motion, uniformity, clouding and poor viewing angles are still a problem for me. And I've seen dozens of them.
I have no doubt OLED will be the new standard in a short amount of time. Prices are plummeting and LG is ramping up production well enough to include selling the panels to others (Panasonic). Wish Sony would unveil one as their pro monitors are killer winning awards and such.
brainchild
Banned
The price isn't the problem for me. I'd pay whatever I needed to if it was up to standard.
The problem is that the input lag (of which I'm very sensitive to detecting) on OLED TVs is just not acceptable, especially if picture quality has to be sacrificed.
I'm sorry but I can't get excited about HDTV's again until they're closer to the CRT standard, which may very well be never.
general_garcia
Member
There is some confusion about that on a few of the AV forums.
LG used to have a habit of labeling black level "High" as the opposite to what people expected, i.e. "High" for them was black set to reference level 16, which on pretty much all other sets means it's the standard 16-235 range, usually labelled as "low".
I've tested both on my EC930V (same as your EC9300) and I still can't tell which one is correct to be honest. Setting the black level at "high" with brightness pegged to around 39-41 gives me pretty much the same picture as black levels at "low" and brightness pegged around 55 (having made sure the source was set to standard range 16-235 output for both). I *think* I see a little less black crush and extra shadow detail with the setting on high, but I'm not sure if that's a placebo or not.
Getting this thing knowledgeably calibrated would be a real eye-opener I think, I suspect there's all sorts of weirdness to be found within those settings menus.
Either way, it looks flipping amazing. I also settled on PC mode and an ISF setting for games (with super resolution set to low, which I find terrible for movies but great for games), and then I use another HDMI input with different settings for movies and TV stuff.
I can't go back from this contrast, it's completely sublime.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yeah i was wondering what i should do with the super resolution setting. I assume it's best to leave dynamic contrast and colour extension engine off right?
Oh and as for OLED LIGHT. I have a very dark room, both during the day and evening/night, what do i set this to? I have it at 100 now, same as contrast. I'm still not sure how much PC mode degrades picture quality, so for anything except shooters, i could turn PC mode off.
FrankNitty
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HDR is amazing
If you guys can download the HDR demos of Life of Pi and Exodus. Sooooo good, I cannot wait for UHD Blu Ray
If you guys can download the HDR demos of Life of Pi and Exodus. Sooooo good, I cannot wait for UHD Blu Ray