Yeah I'm basing what I know off rtings.com. That's where the motion blur worries come from. Don't know if I should do 55" at 60Hz(and I don't need an IPS panel since I'll be looking at it dead on) or go all in at 60" and 120Hz. Oh good call on the mover's coupon that'll save me a good chunk of change.
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Yeah I'm basing what I know off rtings.com. That's where the motion blur worries come from. Don't know if I should do 55" at 60Hz(and I don't need an IPS panel since I'll be looking at it dead on) or go all in at 60" and 120Hz. Oh good call on the mover's coupon that'll save me a good chunk of change.
lifeexpectancy
Member
A quick update on the OLED after more time with it:
I'm getting zero image retention now. Playing Neverwinter with its HUD on-screen for 6 hours or more at times, and still no image retention anymore. Haven't seen any since that first couple days with the 14-hour marathon stress-test.
I labelled HDMI 1 to PC as suggested here, which may have something to do with that. Doing that as well as setting it to GAME mode in the picture settings seems to have even less input lag than before. I didn't really notice any before just using GAME mode, but once I labelled the input to PC, it actually did feel more responsive. Played Halo on Heroic with a few skulls on last night just to test out my reaction times to enemies all over the place and had zero issues with feeling any sort of latency when trying to quickaim and headshot stuff.
This TV is what I've been waiting for since plasmas stopped being made. It's incredible. It's a friggin' steal at $3000. From what I've heard the price may go back up to $4k either in November or after the holidays, although I'm sure if it does it will come back down again if sales slow down. Still, if you've been on the fence and $3k is within your means, the 55EF9500 is freakin amazing.
I'm getting zero image retention now. Playing Neverwinter with its HUD on-screen for 6 hours or more at times, and still no image retention anymore. Haven't seen any since that first couple days with the 14-hour marathon stress-test.
I labelled HDMI 1 to PC as suggested here, which may have something to do with that. Doing that as well as setting it to GAME mode in the picture settings seems to have even less input lag than before. I didn't really notice any before just using GAME mode, but once I labelled the input to PC, it actually did feel more responsive. Played Halo on Heroic with a few skulls on last night just to test out my reaction times to enemies all over the place and had zero issues with feeling any sort of latency when trying to quickaim and headshot stuff.
This TV is what I've been waiting for since plasmas stopped being made. It's incredible. It's a friggin' steal at $3000. From what I've heard the price may go back up to $4k either in November or after the holidays, although I'm sure if it does it will come back down again if sales slow down. Still, if you've been on the fence and $3k is within your means, the 55EF9500 is freakin amazing.
dolabla
Member
Anybody on here own the Sony XBR850C? I'm currently looking at this model (55") and wanted to know how it was for gaming (how is the upscaling from 720p/1080p to 4K for gaming, etc). I saw last years model the XBR850B got really good reviews.
I usually only buy Samsung, but I think I'm gonna go a different route this time.
I usually only buy Samsung, but I think I'm gonna go a different route this time.
It's a really good 4K for the price. The upscaler is solid and the latest firmware update added HDR support. I have the 65" model and I love it. Some 65" sets have a light bleed issue, but everything I've heard says it doesn't happen with the 55". I think Sony is still giving $100 Amazon credit for 4K movies.
I tried the Samsung 7100, which is the price equivalent to the 850c and for gaming I didn't like it at all. Picture quality looked better on 850c
The Lamonster
Member
What about the US market?
dolabla
Member
Awesome! Do you know if all the XBR850C's have the same panels?
I'm so tempted to get it right now (that $100 credit for 4K movies makes it even more), but then again Black Friday/Holiday season is just right around the corner and I might be able to get a better deal. Decisions, decisions, lol.
The 55" is edge lit, the 65" and 75" are direct lit. Pretty sure the 55" is ips and the 65" is VA.
dolabla
Member
Gotcha. Thanks for the response! I think I'm gonna ride out to Best Buy a little later to see it in person.
ACH1LL3US
Member
Just scan is best but you really should try putting the input icon to pc then put it to game mode. Game mode outside of pc mode is 45ms, pc mode with game mode is 29ms.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I've never bought an HDTV and DAMN this shit is confusing as hell.
I'm thinking of buying one of these:
Sony KDL-48W700C or the KDL-50W800B.
They are the same price, so I'm a bit confused about what the difference is aside of the size, anyone has any idea?
I'm going to use this TV almost exclusively for gaming and some Crunchyroll btw, any recommendations are welcome.
I'm thinking of buying one of these:
Sony KDL-48W700C or the KDL-50W800B.
They are the same price, so I'm a bit confused about what the difference is aside of the size, anyone has any idea?
I'm going to use this TV almost exclusively for gaming and some Crunchyroll btw, any recommendations are welcome.
DangerMouse
Member
I have this model too and the size you're asking about, dolabla, (the 55") and second this feedback on it. Have had it for a few months now and still totally love it.
While presumably it'll have limitations compared to the top-end model with the extended dynamic range, like Charpunk said the recent firmware (and announcement) confirms it will now be supporting HDR as well, and a mode has already been added for it.
Edit: Saw the panel type question, Rtings confirms the 55" also has a VA panel like the 65".
ACH1LL3US
Member
Which oled do you have??
Edit, I see you have the 55ef9500, very nice!! I am going to Bestbuy tomorow with my Leo Bodnar and will try all the stuff I have with my ec9300 on their ef9500 and their eg9600 and see what is the lowest lag settings for those
I have been playing games on mine and have about 110hrs on the display, no image retention either. Just loving the picture on this oled :0
Oled response time is crazy fast, so you'll never get the physical blurring that poorer lcd can yield.
However like lcd, oled uses sample and hold as its display mechanism, so its actual temporal resolution (motion resolution) is identical unfortunately.
Which oled do you have??
Edit, I see you have the 55ef9500, very nice!! I am going to Bestbuy tomorow with my Leo Bodnar and will try all the stuff I have with my ec9300 on their ef9500 and their eg9600 and see what is the lowest lag settings for those
YES! Thanks! I want this TV so so bad. But for gaming. Please let the numbers be low!
dolabla
Member
Great to hear!
I went out to Best Buy and saw it in person and really liked what I saw. The guy let me play around with the settings.
They also had last years model (XBR850B). It was on sale for $1099. The picture on it was very good as well.
I think this is gonna be my next TV. Now just the waiting game to see if I can score a deal this Black Friday.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yep I know, but when it comes to PQ i am VERY picky, haha. If I see that the PQ is much better with a different picture mode, i will do all i can to make the input lag decent while maintaining the PQ. I have tried every kind of settings with the PC + Game mode combination but i immediately noticed how much more uncrisp the PQ was compared to the ECO setting and several others. So that combination sure is great for input lag but not for PQ. Personally i am contend with just Game mode for input lag, very very well playable IMO.
I might end up with using PC mode + Expert 1 because of the many different calibration options that Game mode simply doesn't have. This combination even with some settings like Super Resolution (which I like) enabled still provides a very manageable input lag in my book.
draughn101
Member
I really haven't noticed any motion blur, but I may not be sensitive to it. I have played a ton of games and watched a ton of football and it's never crossed my mind. The DSE is the only thing that's stood out.
They have the ability to deny the mover's coupon on some tvs so don't get your hopes too high. I tried it on the EC9300 and they wouldn't budge, even though it says LG on the coupon.
hoverboarder
Member
Dropping this here again just in case, I'm selling my 2014 55" Sony X850B, Sony soundbar, and transferrable protection plan if anyone in South Florida is looking to buy a new TV for pickup. I'll work with you on price, and I can bundle with or without the soundbar.
Details in this GAF thread.
Details in this GAF thread.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Man as crisp and detailed as GTA V looks, you really do notice the game's anti-aliasing is far from ideal. I don't think i noticed it this bad on previous tv's but those were either 50 inch or even a fricking 22 inch, so no wonder you'll see it less.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I've finally made my decision and I'm ordering my KDL-50W800B tonight, it's my first HDTV so I'm pretty excited, I think I got a pretty decent deal, it's going for around 650 bucks over here in Mexico.
Awesome thanks! Now the only thing to figure out is if it's worth it to pay extra for the 60" since it's 120Hz or if 60 will do fine.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Planning to buy the 55" 4k Vizio M series VERY soon. Can any of you more educated people push me forward or toward another tv?
I need to get one soon, I no longer own my 42 inch plasma from 08. The only screen I have is a 24" pc monitor. Gross, I know. Obviously it's possible to wait, though it would be excruciating.
The price of the 55" 4k vizio is the MAX I feel comfortable spending right now as I'm lower enlisted military and don't make a whole lot.
Thanks gents.
Edit: what the hell is DSE?
Edit 2: where the hell do I get this "mover's coupon?"
I need to get one soon, I no longer own my 42 inch plasma from 08. The only screen I have is a 24" pc monitor. Gross, I know. Obviously it's possible to wait, though it would be excruciating.
The price of the 55" 4k vizio is the MAX I feel comfortable spending right now as I'm lower enlisted military and don't make a whole lot.
Thanks gents.
Edit: what the hell is DSE?
Edit 2: where the hell do I get this "mover's coupon?"
JudgmentJay
Member
DSE is Dirty Screen Effect. It's basically slightly darker streaks running vertically and sometimes horizontally on your TV. It's most noticeable when you pan your camera around in a game with a lot of bright solid colors (Journey is really bad for revealing DSE). Most TVs have it to some degree.
hoverboarder
Member
Vizio and Sharp have a 4k 55" at $850. I would probably go with the Sharp over the Vizio, but both are at about the same bottom tier. My advice honestly would be to finance it for 24 months and spend a few hundred more on a 55" Sony X800B or X810C. Huge difference in color accuracy, motion, and especially upscaling prowess. The Samsung 6500 and 6700 are 60hz garbage so avoid those, and the LG 4K at that price is also 60hz so avoid that as well.
Never settle on something you will keep for 5-10 years when you are already spending that much money. Finance it all, make the first payment the $850 you wanted to spend and then you have 23 more months to pay off the difference.
I second this...sort of. Don't get a budget TV. It's something that you keep you busy for countless hours. Get quality.
But only you know your budget and finances. Be smart. But splurge a bit.
And make sure you don't pay anything with interest.
Celcius
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I normally just lurk in this thread but I had to jump in because I see people giving advice on "finance it all" and "be smart, splurge". IMHO, save up and pay cash for whatever you buy. Instead of paying $850 and then making monthly payments as mentioned above, spend the $850 if that's what you can afford and pay cash for a TV. Then every month you would have made a payment, just save that money. 23 months later sell the tv you bought, put that money with the money you've been saving every month, and then buy a newer, better tv that will have been released by then. Best of all, you won't be in debt the entire time. There's nothing wrong with splurging, but splurging is buying something you don't need to live, not spending more money than you have. Again, just IMHO.
Agreed. I'd never finance something like a TV. Prices drop so rapidly.
If you can't wait, it makes much more sense to go with something affordable that doesn't put you in debt and just upgrade sooner once you have the cash. Again, prices drop quickly so most likely you'll end up spending the same amount - or less - than you would going for the high end set today. And you'll come out ahead if you opt to sell your old set then.
If you can't wait, it makes much more sense to go with something affordable that doesn't put you in debt and just upgrade sooner once you have the cash. Again, prices drop quickly so most likely you'll end up spending the same amount - or less - than you would going for the high end set today. And you'll come out ahead if you opt to sell your old set then.
But at some point you need to jump in and get what's the current best. Best, either technologically, or what's best for you.
Everything gets cheaper. But we'll all die someday so you might as well get what you want when you want it.
Celcius
°Temp. member
I know this isn't a finance thread but if you're going to use this logic then he might as well run out and "buy" a dozen then, one for each room of the house. We're all going to die someday, so you might as well have an OLED in every room of the house right?
"buy" = able to make minimum monthly payments apparently
*Back on topic*
Does anyone with a curved tv have any images of a 2D game running on it? I'm curious to see if lifebars and things look distorted...
MAX PAYMENT
Member
This conflicts very heavily with my thinking. I always pay to own. I don't have car payments or anything of the like.
Also, can I see pics of the dirty screen effect?
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Most people I know have garbage budget tv's and I notice that on every one of theirs. Never noticed it on my old plasma.
But I'm not super sensitive to it. Hell, I'm not super sensitive to 90% of the visual annoyances GAF regularly cries about.
Edit: and as far as the budget thing goes, I'd rather get the best 850 dollar tv now, wait until I get out and finish school and settle down, then sell what I've got and put it toward my first truly expensive and great tv.
Not exactly what I meant. Just get what you want (can afford), and enjoy it. Don't worry that the price will drop. It always does.
As for the curved 2D view, it depends where you sit. If you're front and center, then it's fine. You're in the "sweet spot". But from my experience, and why I hate this curved TV fad, is that if you're even slightly to the side(s) then the image is distorted and looks funny. AND, what makes things worse, and is an limitation of LED/LCD tech, is that from the sides the colors/contrast begin to appear washed out.
Curved is fine if you're completely alone and always sit in the same spot. I'm sure some love it - and good on them - but it's not for me. (Unless it's a 21:9 monitor. I want one. Badly.)
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Is 60hz garbage? The Vizio and the sharp you recommend are both 60hz.
I picked up a Vizio M60-C3 about two weeks back. As some have suggested, I had reservations about any 4K tv ability to properly upscale 1080p content. I primarily use my TV for blu Rays, streaming Netlfix and PS4. Have to say I am very impressed. Gaming lag is very low and I tried looking for smearing or blurry text but gaming has been a major improvement over my 5yr old 1080p Samsung. Crisp picture, great calibrated colors right out of the box and blacks that do not crush detail or wash into muddled greys - even blu Ray movies look fantastic. One downside to having everything in hdmi 5 is that turning game mode disables features that help improve image for streaming or sub-1080p content (which does look a little blurry). YMMV though.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
This doesn't answer my question. This is more about the bullshit processing to get the horrid soap opera affect.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I just don't agree. The curve on most of these sets is so gentle that you would have to be sitting pretty far to one side or the other for it to make much of a distortion, and at that point, due to the limitations of LCD tech in most TVs, the picture is going to look somewhat washed out and distorted even on a flat set. I understand preferring a flat screen, I would as well, but it would not be a "deal-breaker" if the set I wanted had it. I'd love to have a EC9300 OLED for a good price, curve or not.
60 Hz on the Vizio is not garbage. I have a 60 Hz set and it looks great. Motion smoothing can be completely disabled.
IXI FalcoN
Member
+1 here from an EG9100 OLED owner. It's only at ridiculous angles that no reasonable person would watch anything from that you start getting any sort of image distortion. Mine takes on a yellowish tint at very wide angles, but the advantage vs the LCD is that you still retain the majority of the picture quality like a plasma would. Curved OLED > any LCD.
I have a standard 3 seat couch with the middle seat dead center on the TV. Anywhere on this couch the curve is not noticeable at all when content is being displayed. I literally forget it's curved until I'm walking past it.
Anyway, did some further tweaking to my settings the last few days and I think I've finally found the sweet spot. I've managed to mostly eliminate the bad judder on films by enabling the custom TruMotion setting and putting dejudder to 2, deblur 5. No SOE, and it cleans up I'd say 90% of perceivable judder issues. I only noticed it in certain abrupt pans and fast action sequences. It's worth a shot if the judder is bugging you on your set. I would try 2 and 3 on the dejudder first to see what you like. 1 did nothing for me, anything beyond 3 resulted in really bad SOE. Settled on 2 since 3 brought in too much smoothing on the scenes 2 couldn't clean up. I'd rather have a little judder vs SOE as I utterly detest the look of it.
Fun fact: I use my PS4 for blu-rays and didn't notice until the other day that it switches from game mode to whatever you use for blu-rays (expert 2 in my case) automatically as soon as you boot up a blu-ray. Not sure if it's a PS4 or TV feature, but it's nice not having to grab the remote and manually switch the picture settings.
Fun fact #2: calibrating for the Xbone is a waste of time. I either get crushed blacks or a washed out image depending on the game. Just couldn't find a middle ground I was happy with, so I ended up just using the built-in calibrator and left it at that. Result is some games look great, some get black crush. It just depends on if the dev accounted for the console's stupid gamma curve and compensated for it within their game.
I expect MS to do nothing about this. It was an issue on 360 from day 1 and it carried over to the next console. They're aware of it, but choose to do nothing because I suspect they think it makes games look "better" in bullshots and DF comparisons. People like the "pop" of the over saturated colors and don't seem to care that detail gets lost in dark scenes. Exhibit A: people whining for years that PS3 multi-plats looked washed out.
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...ws-the-360-inside-out-says-the-gamm-28956066/
Even some gaffers like the pop. Cue DF BF4 article:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961
More lol-worthy discussion on the subject
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=889943
The whole thing is so frustrating for someone who just wants an accurate picture. By all means, if you like the black crush look you can go get that by altering your settings.
End rant.
Good to hear. My 65" is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. Should be a pretty solid upgrade coming from a 2008 52" XBR.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Its either the TV detecting the change in signal (1080p/24) and applying a profile for that signal type or the change in color space (ycbcr if you are using RGB in your ps4 settings but ycbcr for blurray playback).
ss_lemonade
Member
What's the difference between this and clouding, or do they both pertain to the same problem? Our w900a unfortunately has similar artifacts too, but they're only really visible against plain white backgrounds.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
DSE is used to describe dark smudging that appears with a light background, usually most apparent during camera pans against a bright sky or similar.
Clouding is used to describe smoky or milky smudging against a black background. This usually shows up in the letterbox bars or really dark parts of movies such as outer space segments.
Your set may suffer from one and not the other. Almost every LCD has some DSE, even the expensive ones. Clouding is not as bad these days but it is still fairly common.
Hey dudes!
I'm in the market for a 55-65 inch television with a low input lag/response time for under $1200
I've been browsing www.displaylag.com but it can get kind of laborious to get a good idea of the price bracket when every pricing cell says "Check Amazon".
My question is, are there any trusted televisions for gamers, or any televisions you guys can personally vouch for? Thanks
I'm in the market for a 55-65 inch television with a low input lag/response time for under $1200
I've been browsing www.displaylag.com but it can get kind of laborious to get a good idea of the price bracket when every pricing cell says "Check Amazon".
My question is, are there any trusted televisions for gamers, or any televisions you guys can personally vouch for? Thanks
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Ended up ordering a KDL-60W850B, oh god I don't even know where I'm going to put this beast.
draughn101
Member
The Vizio M is a stellar TV. I think the issue with the sharp is the high input lag. We are talking about 18ms on the Vizio, which is incredible. The picture is tremendous watching movies and games. The black level is one of he best I've seen on a tv, and this thing gets great ratings. The one draw back is the dirty screen effect, which I think is pretty common in LED tvs. I really only notice it playing Bf4, and not at all in halo. I've never noticed it in a movie. This tv is seriously good and Netflix 4K (which you can get from the App native to the tv) is astounding.
For $850 the tv is a complete steal.
I did order the EC9300 a few days ago and I was watching 1080p Netflix last night (on the M) and was wondering if I had wasted my money upgrading, it looks that good. Granted I haven't seen that OLED greatness yet.
Xbudz
Member
Vizio M series seems to be getting a lot of buzz. I've been doing my research and will likely be picking up the M50-c1 later today! You'd love the M55-c2, good price, great picture, low input lag.
Haloid1177
Banned
Alright so I've always wanted an OLED TV, and with points I can buy this one for about $600 at Best Buy.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...lack/7846019.p?id=1219295374459&skuId=7846019
Is there any reason not to buy this one in comparison to the newer model?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-55-c...lack/7846019.p?id=1219295374459&skuId=7846019
Is there any reason not to buy this one in comparison to the newer model?