matthewwhatever
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...I know.
Technically, I guess, it was a combination of him and Dryden, making me the only person in history to ever find either of those men inspiring.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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...I know.
Technically, I guess, it was a combination of him and Dryden, making me the only person in history to ever find either of those men inspiring.
To be fair, Dion is one of the Liberals' strongest policy makers in recent memory.
firehawk12
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You must really like hockey. lol
I think history has shown that Dion was better than Iggy at least.
She was my mayor and I never realised this happened:
In April 2006, a police standoff involving a distraught man threatening to kill himself ended after five hours when McCallion appeared on the scene and demanded he stand down so that police, paramedic, and fire personnel could attend to more important matters
matthewwhatever
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Don't care for hockey at all, actually. I just really liked how thoughtful both Dion and Dryden seemed. They weren't riveting speakers, but they articulated policies and visions for Canada that spoke to me.
gutter_trash
Banned
And he drafed the Clarity Act which gives ++++points
I hope Justin will be nicer to Dion than how Martin back benched him
I grew up with a very "orthodox" conservative worldview, but have drifted "leftward" over the past 7 years, starting in my mid-20s-ish.
I call it the Reverse Churchill.
The saying about people getting more conservative as they get older is really just an illusion. It's the world that moves on and them that stay the same. Go back in time to a hippie commune and start talking about gay marriage or trans rights and I bet you get a bunch of "wtf no that's disgusting" from many of them. These things weren't even on their horizon yet.
Ignatieff is my favourite Liberal leader of the last 20 years.
For all the reasons Harper tore him down, no less.Buba Big Guns
Banned
The economic stalwarts like the Conservatives want people to believe they are, somehow were not responsible for properly preparing for a crisis in a major sector of the economy. The fact that oil is so volatile somehow absolves them of blame, instead of being responsible and making sure the economy doesn't take a dump just because one variable has changed.
And Martin by all accounts was a fantastic finance minister.
Fuck, who knew, eh?
(though Dion didn't get my vote, and Iggy did)
I've never heard of her
Ah, a BC'er, I presume? ;P
A lot of things become possible the further the cpc get from their 2011 numbers. This seems like a long shot, though.
But in Alberta the PCs did come in second in popular vote and third in seats.
Nope, Ontario lol.
Hmm, you're probably right.
Ignatieff is my favourite Liberal leader of the last 20 years.
Same, I was a big Iggy fan at the time.
But at the same time, after the fact, I can't blame the Conservative attack ads. Just visiting? Well, he took a face-saving gig at UofT and then, after an appropriate amount of time, buggered off back to Harvard full-time, validating the attacks in retrospect. Not cool, in my book.
Tsc, tsc. lol
So what?
I look at the damage that has been done by Harper, and that to me is a clear indication that our present system is not working as well as it ought to be.
I don't think the ndp need to be near the CPC in terms of popular support to beat them in seat count this election as long as the cpc bleeds seats in some of their strongholds like BC and Ontario and the NDP recover a bit in some of their strongholds like Quebec while everyone else stays low in that province besides the Liberals.With the ndp current numbers they are hanging near 80 seats. If the CPC drops to 27%-28% overall the CPC will lose 10 to 20 seats off their current potential seat count easily. If they drop enough or the NDP goes up to like 26%-27% I think they may give the CPC a run for their money depending on how low the CPC popular vote is.
TheLostBigBoss
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Wouldn't it be completely fair to blame the government for having such a huge portion of their economy based on oil with the assumption that oil would always trade high?
Yeah, because it didn't drop and drop and drop and drop and drop to an 11-year low under your boy, Harper, right?
gutter_trash
Banned
His Pepsi can was loaded with oil
While true, I also can't really blame him for doing so. The vitriol against him, even from his own party, reached a kind of ridiculous pitch in the end and aftermath of the election. I remember on election night he also didn't immediately resign, saying he'd stay on as a caretaker leader, but the next morning it was clear he'd been forced out by the party. Could have avoided the Rae debacle if they'd taken him up on it.
I was a Dion delegate at that convention, actually (it was quite an experience overall). He didn't end up working out as leader, for a combination of reasons that included his own errors, much of the LPC itself undermining him (not that that worked out well for Ignatieff), and Harper's relentless negative advertising; but he is one of the sharpest and most civic-minded people in Parliament, and I hope Trudeau has the good sense to make use of him in government. He was one of the brightest lights in the Chretien Cabinet, and of those, one of only two still around (the other being Ralph).
I was skimming the LPC caucus and the candidate list for who's left with ministerial experience; between it being nine years since the last Liberal government, Martin's purge of Chretien loyalists in 2004, and the 2011 wipeout, there aren't many left:
1. Ralph Goodale (1993-2006)
2. Stephane Dion (1996-2003, 2004-2006)
3. Lawrence MacAulay (1994-2002)
4. Wayne Easter (2002-2003)
5. John McCallum (2002-2006)
6. Geoff Regan (2003-2006)
7. Judy Sgro (2003-2005)
8. Scott Brison (2004-2006)
Also, Bob Nault (who was an MP from 1988 until retirement in 2004, and Minister of Indian Affairs from 1999 to 2003) is running again in Kenora, so if he wins (which is a question mark) he'd also be available.
I would expect any Trudeau Cabinet would include Goodale (pretty much mandatory, since he's almost certainly the only MP they're going to get from Saskatchewan), Dion and Brison. Easter could be PEI's minister, though I personally think that would be Sean Casey. MacAulay and Sgro got dumped from cabinet in the lifespan of their governments (albeit for seriously overblown reasons), and I wouldn't expect to see them back. I doubt Trudeau is going to have two Nova Scotians in Cabinet, so Regan is probably not getting in. I don't know about McCallum.
Edit: I forgot Carolyn Bennett -- potential Health Minister, there.
gutter_trash
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Watch Melanie Joly take on an important roll in the next Trudeau government.
Part of the future of the party
Part of the future of the party
Also true.
Maybe it's just that as a UofT grad, I felt it a double-snub that he felt UofT wasn't good enough for his permanent academic gig, haha.
I don't think it really made sense for the party to have a caretaker leader who didn't have a seat in the House of Commons.
In the aftermath of 2011? I don't think it would have made a lick of difference.
You'd have to appoint a parliamentary leader anyway, so what would Ignatieff be doing?
I don't think there's any obligation to have a named leader in parliament for any party but the one forming government. Especially for the third party. Who was 'leading' the NDP in parliament before Layton won his seat after a year and a half of being leader?
They'd have a whip and all that either way.
CitizenVectron
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Yeah I'm curious too.
There was a parliamentary leader for the NDP in that period; I don't know who it was (Blaikie, maybe), but at the time it would have been noted. It's just expected that parties in the Commons will have a parliamentary leader. The Bloc had one when they elected that guy who didn't have a seat in the inter-Duceppe period.
They said it would be released "later this week". They're the final numbers, so I guess they're saving it for closer to the end.
Oh the irony
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/14/jason-kenney-liberals-c-24-justin-trudeau_n_8297202.html
The liberals campaign co-chair is also stepping down for something dumb he did recently.
https://twitter.com/CP24/status/654432735600201730
Full statement from the Liberal Party on this story
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRUCOQFU8AAqdbk.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/14/jason-kenney-liberals-c-24-justin-trudeau_n_8297202.html
The liberals campaign co-chair is also stepping down for something dumb he did recently.
https://twitter.com/CP24/status/654432735600201730
Full statement from the Liberal Party on this story
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRUCOQFU8AAqdbk.jpg
Fair enough. The answer is still it wouldn't have made any difference. Make it Rae and you still avoid the stupid waffling about if he was going to break the conditions of his interim leadership.
Or just anyone with no actual aspiration to leadership.
The rush would have made sense of they'd stayed official opposition, but they didn't.
From what I read, that was a total non-story, but it makes sense at this stage to quickly snuff out any potential distraction.
A news article was posted on that story I mentioned above.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/1...nt_n_8295514.html?ncid=tweetlnkcahpmg00000002
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/1...nt_n_8295514.html?ncid=tweetlnkcahpmg00000002
Yeah, like I said, total non-story.
gutter_trash
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there goes the majority
I don't think many people will care about this. It's mostly going to piss off people against trudeau.
Probably not related and old but this is lol.
That's hilarious. There complaining about a party implementing their campaign promises. Lol.
That keen intellect will no doubt carry Wildrose far in Alberta politics.
What riding are you in?
dragonfart28
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I actually wouldn't mind a Liberal majority but knowing you support that kind of spoils the enjoyment lol
Doesn't CTV, CPAC and other channels also have special election night coverage.
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