US Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders rallies |OT|
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googleplex
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I guess it a good thing that you agree with Hillary 94% of the time because she has the best chance at actually winning.
I actually got almost the exact same result that you did. I figure I'm good ether way.
Elfforkusu
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Winning the presidency, or winning the presidency + senate?
Because if it's the latter, i think Bernie has a better shot.
ErasureAcer
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24K to 32k in Boston tonight. Another 6,000 in another Mass. Town earlier in the day. Wish he'd come back to Minnesota.
sankt-Antonio
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I stumbled upon this guy on YT and i have watched some recent interviews with him. He's like the best candidate around from what i can tell and i think he would fit into european politics well. Go Sanders.
His bro is in UK politics
dehydratedbabies
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Since this is basically the official Bernie thread... First congressional endorsement (finally!):
http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...guide-10072015-htmlstory.html?update=84630991
I just donated $10 to Grijalva's reelection fund to show support.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...guide-10072015-htmlstory.html?update=84630991
I just donated $10 to Grijalva's reelection fund to show support.
Bill just attacked Bernie for being "too far left" last night. I like how it comes down to that rather than actual policy.
But coming from Bill, who once said government was the problem, and deregulated much of the WallSt derivatives market on his tenure which lead to the crash of 08 would know more about optics than policy.
But coming from Bill, who once said government was the problem, and deregulated much of the WallSt derivatives market on his tenure which lead to the crash of 08 would know more about optics than policy.
The Lamonster
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Is Sanders really electable as a proud socialist? There was a recent study that showed socialism to be a dirtier word than even Muslim. Voters would also have to get over the fact that he's Jewish, and would be one of the oldest presidents.
note: I am not someone who cares about any of this stuff, just curious what you guys think of the electorate.
note: I am not someone who cares about any of this stuff, just curious what you guys think of the electorate.
dehydratedbabies
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I don't think that any of those things are death sentences.
Socialism: He's a self-described democratic socialist, not a socialist (although he doesn't always correct people when they refer to him as the latter, and recently said that he prefers the term "progressive"), and he's very good at succinctly explaining what that means. When really pressed about it (like he was by Stephen Colbert recently) he needs to be better at explaining specifically what that means for the middle class (with concrete refutations against attacks like that WSJ article). Extended "OMG SOCIALISM" and "OMG MUSLIM" campaigns didn't bring Obama down, and I don't think they'll bring Bernie down either, because the people really affected by such propaganda are likely not registered Democrats.
Jewish: Unlike Islamophobia our society doesn't permit open antisemitism, so I really don't worry about this one. Will some people not like him because he's Jewish? Yeah. But I don't think that's a very large number.
Old: I also don't really worry about this one. Will some people be turned off by it and not vote for him because of it? Probably, but again I don't think it's a very large number.
One reason why I'm so optimistic is that Bernie has already proven that he has a remarkable ability to appeal to people that tradition would tell you he doesn't appeal to. He polls really well against Republicans compared to Hillary, and he motivates non-voters and young people in ways that Hillary doesn't.
ErasureAcer
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Great news. He should pull in all of the Progressive Caucus but he already has one defector to Hillary in John Lewis so I assume they'll be more who turn their back on their core principles. Donating to Grijalva is a good way to show...hey if you got Bernie's back we got yours.
I don't really see the socialist tag being too much of a problem. The people who would be swayed so easily against him would be people who wouldn't touch the dem ticket with a ten foot poll.
He needs the minority support. He can get youth, he can get the college educated, hell he might get the white working middle class with his union support. But he can't get anything without black/Hispanic support.
He needs the minority support. He can get youth, he can get the college educated, hell he might get the white working middle class with his union support. But he can't get anything without black/Hispanic support.
TheLostBigBoss
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The issue is he used the word socialist and every person against him is taking it out of context and slapping the cold war "SOCIALISM" label on it.
We have to wait and see for the first debate and see what happens basically. He does need to explain and try to move away from that label as fast as possible, cause it's not going to do him good if he somehow wins the primary.
At the very least I hope that Bernie's run will make Americans less fearful of socialism.
If you take the fear out of the word, by explaining what it is, then you can control the message.
The entire issue is people see it as communism, when its anything but that
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Does this "tax on wall street" that Sanders talks about in order to provide free college education to everyone affect the normal person who engages in day trading? That is kind of a big deal to me as I don't want to pay more for my trades than the $7 bucks that scottrade charges me. None of my trades are big, I have never done a trade over 10K, but I do multiple trades that are in the 2-6K range.
Taxation of speculative derivatives trading has nothing to do with you. Its about punishing the much bigger banks who engage in faulty loans that can put everyone else's investments at risk like what happened in 2008.
Furthermore, taxation of banks that avoid taxes by stashing their assets outside the country also has nothing to do with you.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Would someone please pull Grijalva's latino card because he is either not a 'real' Latino or he didnt get the memo that latinos dont support Bernie white 'liberal' gaf told me so.
I am latino
I was just now alerted to this via Slate's excellent Political Gabfest:
David Axelrod now has a political podcast called The Axe Files which launched just over a week ago with an interview of Bernie Sanders. If you don't know, Axelrod was the Chief Strategist for Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, a guy whose passion for politics is damn near chronic. He managed to get one of the most candid and relaxed interviews with Bernie I've heard since he's been running for POTUS. It was recorded during a trip in a van, so the sound's maybe not the best, but whatever. You can get it from you favorite podcast app by searching "The Axe Files", or from Soundcloud here: https://soundcloud.com/the-axe-files/episode-1-sen-bernie-sanders
Seriously, give it a listen. This isn't segments of the stump speech; it's very much off the cuff. This is the guy I hope we see in the debates.
David Axelrod now has a political podcast called The Axe Files which launched just over a week ago with an interview of Bernie Sanders. If you don't know, Axelrod was the Chief Strategist for Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, a guy whose passion for politics is damn near chronic. He managed to get one of the most candid and relaxed interviews with Bernie I've heard since he's been running for POTUS. It was recorded during a trip in a van, so the sound's maybe not the best, but whatever. You can get it from you favorite podcast app by searching "The Axe Files", or from Soundcloud here: https://soundcloud.com/the-axe-files/episode-1-sen-bernie-sanders
Seriously, give it a listen. This isn't segments of the stump speech; it's very much off the cuff. This is the guy I hope we see in the debates.
Kind of off topic but you can stream Robert Reich's documentary "Inequality for all" for a limited time for free at: https://vimeo.com/141725998
The password is bernie2016.
The password is bernie2016.
thanks for this, as a Canadian I had no real idea who Robert Reich was...absolutely a must watch video for anyone contemplating voting for the Clintons.
on another note, I dont have CNN, is there a way to watch the debate tonight without having to pay for the channel temporarily? andy web-based way to do it?
shadowsdarknes
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I just ordered his new book Saving Capitalism. Looking forward to it.
Reich is really one of the leaders on our unequal system in the states. I love his work, and not because he's one of the major players promoting a basic income system.
I hope Bernie does well at the debate, I really love the guy.
Yeah, Reich is a favorite person of mine, heh. He came to my attention from reading a share of a post he did on the situation at Market Basket last year, where I am employed. Been a fan ever since then.Reich is really one of the leaders on our unequal system in the states. I love his work, and not because he's one of the major players promoting a basic income system.
cool. I refuse to pay for US news with my cable company but this is a fair compromise!
the edit works best!
edit 2 - over half the respondents on facebook are feeling the bern enoguh to vote him winning the deabte!
dehydratedbabies
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Say what you will about Seth Macfarlane (I like him), but this is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wx3T0Xs7Ks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wx3T0Xs7Ks
ErasureAcer
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From what I understand, the tax is 50 cents per every one hundred dollars invested. Does it apply to what you trade....I have no idea. Probably.
Considering Obama and Congress raised the federal cigarette tax $1 for something under $10. Where I live I can probably by 12 packs of cigarettes if I were to be economical and get a carton for the price of $100. I'm paying over $12 dollars in taxes therefore(there was some Federal tax there before) so that money can help kids' health(where the money is supposed to go I believe). You're paying 50 cents per $100 to help make education free and better the lives of those in your community and the country. Sounds like a fair deal to me. If you do a $6,000 trade that would be $30 you owe in tax....I believe...I'm not certain the complete details of Sanders' plan but I'm pretty sure the number is 50 cents per $100 in whatever he is taxing. Which is chump change to the Wall St. types. Considering I'm poor as hell and getting taxed over a dollar for a pack of cigarettes by the Feds...there's really no argument to complain whatever it is...and both taxes are going to a good cause(healthcare for kids, education)
dehydratedbabies
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This made me tear up:
When Bernie promised to #SayHerName #SandraBland
When Bernie promised to #SayHerName #SandraBland
“What happened to your daughter is inexcusable,” he said. “We are broken, and this has exposed us.” He then continued by promising that he would continue to #SayHerName #SandraBland and would not give up in the pursuit of justice.
The spontaneity of the moment lent sincerity to words unrehearsed, phrases unplanned, in an interaction that was never supposed to take place.
We asked Senator Sanders if we could take a picture with him and he consented. He did not impose upon Ms. Geneva to ask for a picture of his own. He did not use the moment as an opportunity to promote his campaign. He took no record, he made no statement. He did not try to turn it into a publicity stunt. He simply made space for a sacred moment, and then let it pass without trying to gain anything from it.
I've only listened to the beginning, but I had the exact same thought when Bernie said "climate change". Totally won me over.
Amazing! Bernie's the real deal.
dehydratedbabies
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Damerman
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what is this fuckery? what kind of fucking question was that? why are we trying to trip bernie up so fucking bad when he is the only one who can actually help? fuck this shit man, this disheartening. I'm literally fed up with this bullshit.
First post debate poll:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics§ion=politics
Cross-tabs:
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabs_HP_Democratic_Debate_20151015.pdf
Other highlights:
3% (?) of Democrats thought Lincoln Chaffee won
11% of Republicans thought Jim Webb won
Only 30% of White voters thought Hillary won. 52% of Black voters thought Hillary won. 62% of Hispanic voters thought Hillary won.
Bernie and Hillary were in a statistical tie on total voters who had their opinions improved on them -- 29% (Hillary) and 30% (Bernie). For Democrats, it was 50% Hillary and 44% Bernie.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics§ion=politics
Cross-tabs:
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabs_HP_Democratic_Debate_20151015.pdf
Other highlights:
3% (?) of Democrats thought Lincoln Chaffee won
11% of Republicans thought Jim Webb won
Only 30% of White voters thought Hillary won. 52% of Black voters thought Hillary won. 62% of Hispanic voters thought Hillary won.
Bernie and Hillary were in a statistical tie on total voters who had their opinions improved on them -- 29% (Hillary) and 30% (Bernie). For Democrats, it was 50% Hillary and 44% Bernie.
dehydratedbabies
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Interesting.
Her overall lead in the primary increased from 44% to 52% post-debate. Breaking that big 50% threshold.
Chained Prometheus
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ShadowKingpin
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I'm inclined to disagree personally, though I recognize that I'm one of the few who will here at NeoGAF.
But yes, we absolutely need more politicians like Bernie.
agreed. it's becoming something of a self fulfilling prophecy at this point and that's a shame.
I agree.
Yes, the numbers at the moment are stacked against him. Hillary Clinton is not anybody that can't be underestimated. However this wouldn't be the first time in history something unusual happened. There were lots of situations in human history where things looked bad and some underdog defied all logic and expectations. Remember when the small and weak country Brandenburg-Prussia against all logic beat the invincible swedish army at Fehrbellin and hunted them out of their lands? Nobody even expected major forces to beat them, but the minor house of Brandenburg did.
There's an interesting Reddit post on the Sanders subreddit concerning CNN falling for Koch group astroturf on Bernie's record.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor.../cnn_is_paying_to_sponsor_this_facebook_post/
Wondering if GAF has any opinion on this. Bernie's fought pretty hard for the VA.
I know it's a cliché at this point for Sanders supporters to claim anything and everything is a "conspiracy" but when the Kochs are involved, there's usually mischief.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor.../cnn_is_paying_to_sponsor_this_facebook_post/
Wondering if GAF has any opinion on this. Bernie's fought pretty hard for the VA.
I know it's a cliché at this point for Sanders supporters to claim anything and everything is a "conspiracy" but when the Kochs are involved, there's usually mischief.
haha yup
not to mention that Sanders has a history of calling the Koch Brothers out on all of their bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7q4j0uZ2ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5tAT6ciJ4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4T68GCnXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arsbO7ay0I0
Hillary's donors are the same people Bernie doesn't like, so no.
Bernie has repeatedly blasted Wall Street. Hillary gets her money from there.
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