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[Jarmel]

The focus on the lightsabers and how hard they are to construct feels very much in line with the OT compared to the prequels. There's only one lightsaber in that Knights shot and the other major saber in this film is Luke's (really Anakin's) old one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-HFv6Ms1lw

Here Vader goes over Luke's new one in RotJ and notes how his skills are complete. Lightsaber construction seems to be treated like a final test of sorts as compared to the prequels where everybody either loses one or gathers a bunch.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Why not, it keeps all the twists in place, makes the course of the prequels still somewhat interesting (and sets up the second twist better) and has the right ending to the saga. Above all, no need to see the Phantom menace. Of course it does require a bit of refocus as you get a four hour flashback.

It interrupts a movie series with a completely different movie series that has a different tone, directional style, and thematic points. It most notably undermines every (tastefully subtle) Darth Vader moment in ROTJ with the knowledge that Anakin is an idiot dictated by plot, when that information isn't even relevant to what ROTJ is doing anyway.

The reason why you don't need the prequels interrupting the original trilogy is the same reason why Vader in ROTJ never gave a monologue detailing how and why he turned to the dark side.

 

[spekkeh]

Lucas apparently has a script ready to go and they rejected it. It was discussed in the Vanity Fair article.

Something about his idea was having a teen/teens discovering force powers and they felt it was too similar to the prequels.

That's actually great to hear, I was afraid JJ was going to do a Star Trek where he just reuses past plots, what with the desert planet and rogue like character discovering the Force, but apparently even they thought it shouldn't be too similar.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

this is the shot of the trailer

Perfectly melding the jawdropping world building of the prequels with the actual human beings of the ot

so glad someone giffed it

truly astonishing work

 

[brandonh83]

Here Vader goes over Luke's new one in RotJ and notes how his skills are complete. Lightsaber construction seems to be treated like a final test of sorts as compared to the prequels where everybody either loses one or gathers a bunch.

They still crafted their own sabers in the prequels, it just wasn't shown because it wasn't really necessary to. It was touched on in the Clone Wars stuff.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Well I didn't know that was a thing. Reading a post about it, kind of an interesting perspective. I'm going to try this order leading up to Episode VII.



I'm sure some would say General Greivous....

He wasn't force sensitive?

 

[neorej]

I know it is. But it's different to suspend belief for space battles which I've never seen, lightsabers which I've never seen, robots which I've never seen and aliens which I've never seen vs. ships flying around in atmosphere like they're F16's without wings to keep them up when I've been on planes and see planes pretty much every day and know how they stay in the air.

No need to get so defensive over it.

Different atmosphere, different propulsion, different everything from you being around airplanes.

 

[Savitar]

How much is Lucas even contributing to this? Did he pen the outline? Ok ideas? Just say "whatever" and went home with billions?

He proposed they film it on a couch as he did with the prequels. Also to use his mind blowing idea of having camera A and camera B. They were be placed behind and in front of the actors to get their reactions.

He's a brilliant man that one.

 

[Busty]

Looks meh, really ? must take a hell of a lot to impress you, or Star Wars is just not your thing then.

Urgh.

Film is a subjective thing.

Relax.

 

[JimiNutz]

That's Han, bruv. Brown leather jacket and old white guy hair.

Looks like Han to me too and I'm mad that they put that in the trailer!
Hopefully it's purposely misleading.

I'm also guessing that Luke turns up at the end to save the day...

 

[spekkeh]

It interrupts a movie series with a completely different movie series that has a different tone, directional style, and thematic points. It most notably undermines every (tastefully subtle) Darth Vader moment in ROTJ with the knowledge that Anakin is an idiot dictated by plot, when that information isn't even relevant to what ROTJ is doing anyway.

The reason why you don't need the prequels interrupting the original trilogy is the same reason why Vader in ROTJ never gave a monologue detailing how and why he turned to the dark side.

I guess that's a valid point, though you could also argue

Spoiler

it introduces the possibility that Luke might be swayed to the dark side like his father, or that, ultimately, the story is about redemption of Anakin, at least more so than now

 

[Warm Machine]

Lucas apparently has a script ready to go and they rejected it. It was discussed in the Vanity Fair article.

Something about his idea was having a teen/teens discovering Force powers and they felt it was too similar to the prequels.

That screenwriter was credited and Kathleen Kennedy has downplayed the severity of the changes.

There is also no way in hell JJ and Kasdan wrote an original Star War screenplay from scratch in the time they had given the pressures of production. As well, a lot of pre production work was in progress before he even got there.

 

[Jarmel]

They still crafted their own sabers in the prequels, it just wasn't shown because it wasn't really necessary to. It was touched on in the Clone Wars stuff.

The prequels treated sabers as pretty expendable objects.

 

[ArmGunar]

I hope there will be some space battles between Star Destroyers and Resistance fleet

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Looks like not every track we hear in this trailer is from John Williams.

A trailer music company called "Confidential Music" also did some work for the trailer.

 

[sphagnum]

Lucas apparently has a script ready to go and they rejected it. It was discussed in the Vanity Fair article.

Something about his idea was having a teen/teens discovering Force powers and they felt it was too similar to the prequels.

Not quite, he had come up with an overarching treatment for the trilogy and Michael Arndt was writing a script based off the notes. JJ felt that Arndt wasn't getting the job done in time and let him go, then rewrote it with Kasdan.

However, Simon Kinberg has said that they are building the post-RotJ world according to Lucas & Arndt's ideas and some things that Rian wants to do in Episode VIII, and while JJ has said that writing Ep VII was like a blank canvas for him it's obvious that they held on to some of the basics of Lucas' outline. What exactly those are, we don't know yet.

 

[Busty]

It makes sense though. Can you imagine a superpower in a technologically-advanced galaxy not having a massive super-weapon to help position them at a level of dominance/superiority?

It's science fiction.

It's whatever the creatives say it is.

Why must logic dictate that it's a 'super weapon' in a planet?

It could literally be anything they wanted within the boundaries of the rules established in the work.

 

[Principate]

The focus on the lightsabers and how hard they are to construct feels very much in line with the OT compared to the prequels. There's only one lightsaber in that Knights shot and the other major saber in this film is Luke's (really Anakin's) old one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-HFv6Ms1lw

Here Vader goes over Luke's new one in RotJ and notes how his skills are complete. Lightsaber construction seems to be treated like a final test of sorts as compared to the prequels where everybody either loses one or gathers a bunch.

Isn't that because it is one, your supposed to build your own lightsaber before you can become a Jedi. Since there was a Jedi academy with dozens of actual Jedi it makes sense their would be bunch in comparison to the OT era. You have to go into some carve a retrieve crystal to forge as well as the necessary parts to your own lightsaber, It makes sense they were more expendable in the prequel era in comparison to OT since it the same with basically anything.

 

[AxelFoley]

So I haven't been following this thread but everyone I talk to says Luke wasn't in the trailer.

Is that not him putting his hand on R2D2 at 1:40?

That's what I was thinking.

 

[Concept17]

So I haven't been following this thread but everyone I talk to says Luke wasn't in the trailer.

Is that not him putting his hand on R2D2 at 1:40?

Do we know this?

 

[More_Badass]

this is the shot of the trailer



Perfectly melding the jawdropping world building of the prequels with the actual human beings of the ot

so glad someone giffed it

truly astonishing work

Mandalorian base?

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Calling it now MGSV SPOILERS:

Spoiler

"Kylo Ren" is Anakin Skywalker, the Big Boss to Darth Vader's Venom Snake

.

 

[strafer]

Looks like not every track we hear in this trailer is from John Williams.

A trailer music company called "Confidential Music" also did some work for the trailer.

Oh that's bull....

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Looks like Han to me too and I'm mad that they put that in the trailer!
Hopefully it's purposely misleading.

I'm also guessing that Luke turns up at the end to save the day...

I can only hope, he doesn't seem to be "in" the movie much but if he shows up at the end and it sets up the next film.

HOLY MOLY

 

[SpaceWolf]

this is the shot of the trailer



Perfectly melding the jawdropping world building of the prequels with the actual human beings of the ot

so glad someone giffed it

truly astonishing work

Fun Fact: You can see a Mandolorian Banner up there*

EDIT: Haha, beaten.

*Not my observation. YouTuber called Mr Sunday pointed it out.

 

[Blader]

Do we know this?

That was the implication from the last trailer.

 

[El Topo]

It's science fiction.

It's whatever the creatives say it is.

Why must logic dictate that it's a 'super weapon' in a planet?

It could literally be anything they wanted within the boundaries of the rules established in the work.

Maybe it's just a giant planet-sized microwave and they use it to make tons and tons of popcorn for movie nights.

 

[StMeph]

Not going to lie, I am kind of hyped for the movie, but I also think that it almost doesn't matter what it is, because it will be disappointing, especially with Abrams' treatment of Star Trek to make it more contemporary. It's never going to be better than IV - VI, but it will almost certainly be better than I - III.

Music still amazing.

 

[sphagnum]

lol what?

there aren't even novels announced over the next two months before release

ENu be slipping HORRIBLY

how slow we supposed to read aftermath?????

What? Tales From a Galaxy Far, Far Away (which is all about short stories featuring the aliens from the Variety photos) comes out in December, as does the e-novel "The Perfect Weapon". Before the Awakening also comes out in December. Battlefront: Twilight Company comes out in November. There's also the TFA novelization. And they've already announced Aftermath: Life Debt and New Republic: Bloodline for next year.

 

[maquiladora]

Do we know this?

That shot is shown in the second teaser while he says "I have it", so I think it's safe to assume that is Like.

 

[keltickennedy]

Mandalorian base?

I noticed that too. Could just be a base of the new Rebel Alliance that the mandalorian's are also a part of.

Aren't the old mandalorian clones currently in Star Wars Rebels? I've only seen clips from the show.

 

[borborygmus]

+ I like that Jedi are mythical now. It gives it a fantasy/adventure vibe that was the appeal of Ep IV.
+ Lots of promising scenes were shown in the trailer


- I like darker films but this is a bit on the drab side
- I worry that it's just going through fanservice stuff like a checklist and (which is what JJ did with Star Trek) and I'll enjoy it initially but it won't hold up once I realize the emptiness of it
- The cast seems to be trying too hard and overacting
- As someone else said before, it's all too serious

 

[Anton Sugar]

Mandalorian base?

I would freak the fuck out if the movie has some connection to Mandalore, but that's probably just an easter egg. That looks like a collection of flags/tapestries.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Urgh.

Film is a subjective thing.

Relax.

Hey it's cool if he doesn't like it, but I just find it hard to believe anyone who likes Star Wars or Sci-Fi in general can watch that pretty damn amazing trailer and be like "meh" there's something not right with that.

I mean if this trailer wasn't Star Wars, it would still be a damn fine movie trailer.

 

[btrboyev]

I don't know if I like the look of the film, or it's just 'action sequence + star wars music' that gives me goosebumps all over, but this trailer was fantastic.

That said, CGI chewbacca looked awful.

There was no cgi chewbacca

 

[Fj0823]

That's actually great to hear, I was afraid JJ was going to do a Star Trek where he just reuses past plots, what with the desert planet and rogue like character discovering the Force, but apparently even they thought it shouldn't be too similar.

they didn't "reject it" they're basing the story on it. But with some tweaks like older characters instead of kids.

Kennedy said so.

 

[Jb]

At this point my only fear is that Force Awakens ends up feeling more like the pilot of a TV show instead of a self-contained first movie in a trilogy like Fellowship of the RIng or A New Hope. Don't fuck this up Disney.

 

[Kinyou]

Here Vader goes over Luke's new one in RotJ and notes how his skills are complete. Lightsaber construction seems to be treated like a final test of sorts as compared to the prequels where everybody either loses one or gathers a bunch.

Not to mention how even the "younglings" already had a size appropriate one. Lightsabers were handed out like candy.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Oh that's bull....

I believe the first track is not from Williams, this or they just helped remix his music for the trailer but i doubt that.

 

[skypunch]

+ I like that Jedi are mythical now. It gives it a fantasy/adventure vibe that was the appeal of Ep IV.
+ Lots of promising scenes were shown in the trailer


- I like darker films but this is a bit on the drab side
- I worry that it's just going through fanservice stuff like a checklist and (which is what JJ did with Star Trek) and I'll enjoy it initially but it won't hold up once I realize the emptiness of it
- The cast seems to be trying too hard and overacting
- As someone else said before, it's all too serious

Life can be drab. The actors are acting. Life can be serious.

 

[El Topo]

Hey it's cool if he doesn't like it, but I just find it hard to believe anyone who likes Star Wars or Sci-Fi in general can watch that pretty damn amazing trailer and be like "meh" there's something not right with that.

I mean if this trailer wasn't Star Wars, it would still be a damn fine movie trailer.

I strongly disagree. I think it's completely legitimate to like Star Wars, yet refuse to buy into the hype, especially if one disliked the prequels. Phantom Menace had an amazing trailer, yet many would say that it was a bad movie. Given that the teasers/trailers have told us very little (explicitly) about the plot, given JJ Abrams' track record, it's not unreasonable to be sceptical. I mean, the cynic in me is telling me that they're trying to sell the movie based on the franchise name, pretty pictures and nostalgia.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I'm surprised no one has made any avatars yet.

 

[SpaceWolf]

At this point my only fear is that Force Awakens ends up feeling more like the pilot of a TV show instead of a self-contained first movie in a trilogy like Fellowship of the RIng or A New Hope. Don't fuck this up Disney.

Also known as Age of Ultron syndrome.

 

[Empty Space]

He wasn't force sensitive?

Nope was only trained in light saber combat. Grevious is weird though I don't think anything concerning his background is canon anymore unless it's was in a episode of Clone Wars. So it might change at some point, if they ever do anything with him again.

 

[Sorcerer]

they didn't "reject it" they're basing the story on it. But with some tweaks like older characters instead of kids.

Kennedy said so.

So I am guessing Kennedy did some downplaying after the article? I'm pretty sure that's what I read, and it made me cringe for George when I read it.

Also the part about putting Jar Jar's bones in the dessert. It seemed like the article did its best to embarrass George a bit.

 

[Toxi]

Mandalorian base?

Everyone noticed the Mandalorian symbol, but there are some other recognizable symbols in that shot from the pod race flags.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Also looks like the Deathwatch symbol might be there.

 

[Jarmel]

Isn't that because it is one, your supposed to build your own lightsaber before you can become a Jedi. Since there was a Jedi academy with dozens of actual Jedi it makes sense their would be bunch in comparison to the OT era. You have to go into some carve a retrieve crystal to forge as well as the necessary parts to your own lightsaber, It makes sense they were more expendable in the prequel era in comparison to OT since it the same with basically anything.

Well part of the problem is that the movies largely skip over Anakin's training which could have easily delved into that. The prequels, and in particular AotC, don't actually expand on the Jedi Order in that manner. Lightsabers are lost and new ones are constructed offscreen with little commentary. The OT treated the sabers as something magical.

 

[Busty]

Hey it's cool if he doesn't like it, but I just find it hard to believe anyone who likes Star Wars or Sci-Fi in general can watch that pretty damn amazing trailer and be like "meh" there's something not right with that.

I mean if this trailer wasn't Star Wars, it would still be a damn fine movie trailer.

Why? If this wasn't Star Wars people would be wondering what the fuck was going on? It doesn't tell us anything about the plot of the film.

You've gotten so swept up in the fan service you've completely lost sight of the fact that some people were left underwhelmed by what is a pretty superficial final trailer for the film.

 

[skypunch]

I strongly disagree. I think it's completely legitimate to like Star Wars, yet refuse to buy into the hype, especially if one disliked the prequels. Phantom Menace had an amazing trailer, yet many would say that it was a bad movie. Given that the teasers/trailers have told us very little (explicitly) about the plot, given JJ Abrams' track record, it's not unreasonable to be sceptical. I mean, the cynic in me is telling me that they're trying to sell the movie based on the franchise name, pretty pictures and nostalgia.

I didn't get that impression at all. I thought the trailer was very smart in how it brings in the new while not forgetting the old.