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[MegaMelon]

He's referring to shitposters. So am I. It's fine to dislike the graphics, but to call Bethesda incompetent and wish for the franchise to be killed because of graphics? Those people aren't critics. They're shitposters.

That wasn't exactly clear since his post was just one sentence without quoting anyone. I'm not denying we have shitposters here from Fallout 3 PC vs Console Ps4 guy to bullshot Witcher 3 guy to 'update this epic comic guys haha reusing engine haha' guy, but it's best not to give them a reaction beyond logically breaking down their arguments and strawmans.

Yup, still looks ugly as fuuuuck. This shit looks depressing and not really a world I wanna be in.

Well at least they nailed the whole post-apocalyptic feeling

 

[Kaako]

Yup, still looks ugly as fuuuuck. This shit looks depressing and not really a world I wanna be in. I'll still play it though on the cheap cheap, for the story n stuff...

 

[glassgannon]

Could you name a few of these open world 60 fps cross gen games on consoles?

mgs v , ff14

 

[deoee]

That's absolutely hyperbole.

Rogue Warrior looks really bad. Deadly Premonition looks really bad.

Fallout 4 does not look really bad. It's not blowing my dick off with insane graphics, but, it also does not look "really bad" or "complete shit" or whatever.

No, it looks really bad. You can not deny it, just look at the comparison or the in vault screenshots.

 

[SmokedMeat]

One of these dogs is from a game that runs at 60FPS on consoles. 9/10 people can't tell the difference! Can you?

Unfair comparison. You think dog shampoo is plentiful in a post apocalyptic world??!

Seriously though, the wolf looks like a cut scene, and the Shepard is in game.

 

[wheeplash]

That blood texture xD this is ridiculously bad.

Okay, maybe not bargain bin material after all.
I'll try to get it in some raffle 5 years from now, yep.

 

[lefantome]

WTF is going on?
The graphics are awful, but that was expected from Bethesda.


The real problem is that the image quality is going to make me puke.

Why is everything blurred? Is is the game sub 1080p? Are they using the shittiest FXAA on earth? Is the jpg compression fault?


I'm playing new vegas and it has MSAA on pc. I can't believe they couldn't use it on a game so ugly on a current gen console.


Please if you have the game, post PNG screenshots.
I'm considering cancelling my ps4 preorder and playing it on Pc hoping to run it well.

 

[Karl Hawk]

I'm sad how much people shit post this game

Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded

 

[Alienous]

Yup, still looks ugly as fuuuuck. This shit looks depressing and not really a world I wanna be in. I'll still play it though on the cheap cheap, for the story n stuff...

True immersion.

 

[ChosenPredator]

DItto. once mods make a pass, and we get some good reshading. game is gonna look right.

yeah i think pc for me too big time

 

[MegaMelon]

If these images are from consoles is it possible the actual console screenshot feature is responsible for the discrepancies between promotional material and well this?

 

[sappyday]

Unfair comparison. You think dog shampoo is plentiful in a post apocalyptic world??!

Seriously though, the wolf looks like a cut scene, and the Shepard is in game.

The diamond dog is in game as well.

 

[Jobbs]

Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded

While I'll come back and fess up if I turn out to be wrong, I have a strong suspicion that Fallout 4 will be my best and most memorable gaming experience of the year, rivaled only by Bloodborne. So maybe what you consider mediocre SHOULD actually be rewarded.

 

[Beelzebufo]

The shots are compressed lefantome.

But anyway, this game really only looks good if you just came off of playing Fallout 3/NV. I'm confused why they went for the super plasticy look because it seems to go against everything else in the series, but there's something to be said for how colorful everything looks now I guess.

 

[Anthemios]

Looks like the forced tradeoff between shadow distance and shadow resolution has returned. Also, those scenes from the vault suggest that there's been no improvement to the number of dynamic lights Gamebryo can render simultaneously. That room with the radroach is particularly terrible because it's a square with two maybe three light sources max. Occlusion should be fairly easy to set up in a space like that--so I have no idea what's driving the super conservative lighting approach...

I do find it interesting how Bethesda has been forced to use more cubemaps (albeit with extremely low resolutions) to take advantage of their PBR assets. I think it's great that there's now support for real image based lighting.

Also, did anyone notice in the trailers how subtle screen space reflections appear on glossy surfaces whenever it rains? That's not exactly a cheap effect--so I wonder if it's limiting the shadow complexity in outdoor scenes.

 

[legacyzero]

If these images are from consoles is it possible the actual console screenshot feature is responsible for the discrepancies between promotional material and well this?

Aside from a bit of compression, no. The game is missing A LOT of graphical features. Shadows, AO, draw distance, etc.

 

[Jito]

If these images are from consoles is it possible the actual console screenshot feature is responsible for the discrepancies between promotional material and well this?

Yes it is, PS4 compresses the shit out of screenshots when uploading, you won't see anyone acknowledging that in here though.

 

[Ratrat]

http://i.imgur.com/Sbk33Pa.gif[/ig][/QUOTE]
Does he actually look like that in-game or is it MGSV character creator bullshit?

 

[Recall]

Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded

Gameplay should be. And none of you have played it yet, it could still be mediocre once you play it but you won't know until you do.

The power visuals hold over some of you is staggering.

 

[lazygecko]

Come on...I am sure you mean well, but I really hate this argument. Just because Bethesda traditionally sucks at something doesn't mean we should just accept it forever.

I just think sincerely expecting any improvements in how they do interfaces after nearly a decade of consistent complaints strikes me as hopelessly naive at this point.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Sometimes that's what a game needs. Sacrifice.

Yea, and that's exactly what they made here. A clear sacrifice to get the game running on consoles since it likely has to make a ton of drawcalls for the tons of little objects that the player can interact with on top of running a ton of new tech. I don't consider an empty open world with zero atmosphere at 60fps with non existent rebels that we hear about over and over to be "sacrifice." That's just an example of a poor open world.

Does he actually look like that in-game or is it MGSV character creator bullshit?

Yes that's what he looks like in-game. They transition straight into the game world when you finish creating a character just like other Bethesda games.

 

[deoee]

Yes it is, PS4 compresses the shit out of screenshots when uploading, you won't see anyone acknowledging that in here though.

Compression does not blur non existent lighting, shadows and ugly character models :-/

 

[dark10x]

MGSV is barely open world.

How do you figure? I think it does open world better than most games games since it's not just a collection of icons to visit.

 

[Beelzebufo]

While I'll come back and fess up if I turn out to be wrong, I have a strong suspicion that Fallout 4 will be my best and most memorable gaming experience of the year, rivaled only by Bloodborne. So maybe what you consider mediocre SHOULD actually be rewarded.

But then it wouldn't be mediocre anymore.

 

[The Baron Count]

This game is so incredibly disappointing visually. The last time Bethesda launched a title on new hardware they knocked my socks off. I expected far more.

 

[kvn]

Yes it is, PS4 compresses the shit out of screenshots when uploading, you won't see anyone acknowledging that in here though.

Screenshot feature removing shadows confirmed.

 

[OsirisBlack]

More PS4 shots (I think) if anyone hasn't seen them:

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2015/10/leaked-fallout-4-ps4-screenshots.html

I did not expect the game to be a graphical showcase but I also didn't expect it to be this bad. Comparing this to other recent current gen multi plats this may be the ugliest offering yet.

That's absolutely hyperbole.

Rogue Warrior looks really bad. Deadly Premonition looks really bad.

Fallout 4 does not look really bad. It's not blowing my dick off with insane graphics, but, it also does not look "really bad" or "complete shit" or whatever.

I understand people are excited for this game and I will be buying it on PC (Canceled PS4 preorder after seeing this) but lets all be honest this is an ugly ass game. Like fuck it we really didn't try to hide that this was originally a ps3, xbox 360 game ugly.

 

[Grief.exe]

Gameplay should be. And none of you have played it yet, it could still be mediocre once you play it but you won't know until you do.

The power visuals hold over some of you is staggering.

Historically, Bethesda has never been the pinnacle of gameplay design so I don't see how that enforces your argument.

Bethesda games have always been the sum of their parts, once you start breaking them down piece by piece (writing, gameplay, technical, etc) then they become increasingly mediocre.

 

[FATALITY]

and i cant wait for DF thread
that will be glorious

 

[legacyzero]

Yea, and that's exactly what they made here. A clear sacrifice to get the game running on consoles since it likely has to make a ton of drawcalls for the tons of little objects that the player can interact with on top of running a ton of new tech. I don't consider an empty open world with zero atmosphere at 60fps with non existent rebels that we hear about over and over to be "sacrifice." That's just an example of a poor open world.

I just agreed with Crossing Eden...

I need to go ly down..

 

[Karl Hawk]

Gameplay should be. And none of you have played it yet, it could still be mediocre once you play it but you won't know until you do.

The power visuals hold over some of you is staggering.

I have my doubts that Fallout 4's gameplay will not have any of the usual Bethesda jank.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Shmeagatory94]

Looks good enough for me lol Im all about that gameplay baby

 

[glassgannon]

One of those dogs is from a game that is much more populated with a shit ton of interactable objects instead of a boring desert or boring forest, a world that is most likely doing a million more things underneath the hood.

yeah really how do you know that?
care to compare?
PLEASE?!?!

ai- persistent in both. most likely more complex in mgs, unlike fallout where everything either rams their head/weapon into you or shoots at you .
day/night cycle- both
weather changes- mgs does it, havent been seen in fallout 4 yet i think
hubs - both have it
friendly ai - highly unlikely to be superior to mgs

boring akaik has nothing to do with tech.only opinion.

care to name a few of those million things?

 

[FATALITY]

Screenshot feature removing shadows confirmed.

 

[Denton]

That's absolutely hyperbole.

Rogue Warrior looks really bad. Deadly Premonition looks really bad.

Fallout 4 does not look really bad. It's not blowing my dick off with insane graphics, but, it also does not look "really bad" or "complete shit" or whatever.

It's about context. Nobody is comparing it to 6 years old shitty low budget shooter or lastgen low budget japanese adventure. When people say it looks "really bad" or even "complete shit", they mean that in comparison to its competition on current generation of hardware - GTA 5, Witcher 3 and games like that.

 

[Recall]

Historically, Bethesda has never been the pinnacle of gameplay design so I don't see how that enforces your argument.

Bethesda games have always been the sum of their parts, once you start breaking them down piece by piece (writing, gameplay, technical, etc) then they become increasingly mediocre.

I have no argument.

Visuals do not control my enjoyment.

 

[Alpende]

As long as I get the same type of gaming experience Fallout 3 gave me, with better graphics, I'm all good. Fallout doesn't have to be super beautiful for me. I'm gonna enjoy the shit out of it anyway

 

[lefantome]

Yes it is, PS4 compresses the shit out of screenshots when uploading, you won't see anyone acknowledging that in here though.

WE NEED png screenshots asap.

I'm more concerned with image quality that the rest (awful) graphics. it's a dealbreaker for me. I don't want to play that blurry crap.

 

[visiblemode]

The thing is...it looks way better than Fallout 3.

What more can you ask for?

It's not going to be anywhere near the best looking game on PS4, then again 3 wasn't anywhere the best looking game on PS3.

 

[Visualift]

Ultimately, gameplay is king... just like the way food tastes is king. However, the better it looks the more you can become emerged and enjoy the gameplay/food.

 

[Raven77]

Is the PC version really going to be that much better pre mods?

The reason i ask is cause those mods take a while usually and I dont want to upgrade my computer to wait around for months on mods.

 

[recklesscognition]

The game looks pretty bad in everything I've seen so far, the dog is terrible, but I don't care, I'm still buying this happily.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I understand people are excited for this game and I will be buying it on PC (Canceled PS4 preorder after seeing this) but lets all be honest this is an ugly ass game. Like fuck it we really didn't try to hide that this was originally a ps3, xbox 360 game ugly.

Yep, doesn't mean I won't buy it, PC will fix it through mods.

Not sure why people are getting so defensive about it. It isn't hyperbole to say that the game is ugly and graphically really bad. I don't think anyone was expecting Infamous graphically, but this is well below what I was expecting.

It's about context. Nobody is comparing it to 6 years old shitty low budget shooter or lastgen low budget japanese adventure. When people say it looks "really bad" or even "complete shit", they mean that in comparison to its competition on current generation of hardware - GTA 5, Witcher 3 and games like that.

Or comparing it to Fallout 3, Oblivion, Skyrim, etc.

 

[Turin Turambar]

He's referring to shitposters. So am I. It's fine to dislike the graphics, but to call Bethesda incompetent and wish for the franchise to be killed because of graphics? Those people aren't critics. They're shitposters.

You really would refer to Bethesda programmers and artists as competent??

 

[tuxfool]

How do you figure? I think it does open world better than most games games since it's not just a collection of icons to visit.

Yet it it still deems fit to provide the mother of all boring collection quests in order to pad out the "world". Also lets not forget about side ops.

 

[sappyday]

I'm actually worried about the rpg and story of the game more than the graphics. I wish we shit talk the choice of including VA and the horrible dialogue options than the graphics but I'm aware I'm in the minority in this one.

Also the worst offense in terms of the look of the game is the character facial animation. That piper video has me dreading every conversation.

 

[FATALITY]

The thing is...it looks way better than Fallout 3.

What more can you ask for?

It's not going to be anywhere near the best looking game on PS4, then again 3 wasn't anywhere the best looking game on PS3.

better graphics?

Ultimately, gameplay is king... just like the way food tastes is king. However, the better it looks the more you can become emerged and enjoy the gameplay/food.

gameplay is the king for sure. but is not an excuse for a billion dollar company make these shitty graphics.
when demons souls was released people were okay with the graphics because of the budget of the game and since then from has improved the graphics for every souls games.

 

[Maintenance]

Yea, and that's exactly what they made here. A clear sacrifice to get the game running on consoles since it likely has to make a ton of drawcalls for the tons of little objects that the player can interact with on top of running a ton of new tech. I don't consider an empty open world with zero atmosphere at 60fps with non existent rebels that we hear about over and over to be "sacrifice." That's just an example of a poor open world.

MGSV being bad open world while you champion the AC series.

On topic, heard some people waiting for a new UI, those guys are going to be pissed if Denuvo blocks new UIs since it will probably block Script Extender.

EDIT: I entered this thread when there was like 5 replies and I knew this would end up bad.

 

[Ricker]

Fallout 1 or 4?

Oh you...

Not bad but like many probably said,in motion will be intersting as well,since we havent seen much of it.

 

[lazygecko]

Ultimately, gameplay is king... just like the way food tastes is king. However, the better it looks the more you can become emerged and enjoy the gameplay/food.

Gameplay is not usually an aspect praised or brought up either when it comes to the general people's enjoyment of Bethesda games.