mitchman
Gold Member
You need to set UHD color mode or something named similarly. Saying something doesn't work because of a mis-configuration is easy.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Recently made the jump to a Vizio 4K TV (M55-C2). After using it for a while I couldn't get past the brightness on the left and right edges of the screen and the lack of color uniformity so I moved back to my Black Beauty (50" 2009 Panasonic Plasma) that has around 7,500 hours of usage. Not seeing much on the horizon that interests me besides OLED I guess. I bought a user made chip for the service port that reset the black levels back to factory default as it was getting a bit grayish in dark details. I know the TV is rated for 100,000 hours, but how much longer can I realistically use it before the IQ really starts to deteriorate enough to warrant an upgrade?
DOT DASH DOT
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Tbh I can't fit anything bigger than a 55" TV, I have 2 TV's in the lounge
, I would have gone for the X93C 55" if it wasn't for the huge speakers!Well that's interesting to know, I'm just concerned it will look worse than my current W900A, can you tell me if it's possible to save multiple picture presets like game/cinema etc to just one hdmi input? So I wouldn't have to keep swapping settings manually....have they update it to HDMI 2.0a yet?
The guy I spoke to said he did that, does seem weird as reviewers have said it does work.
Thanks!
JudgmentJay
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Yeah of course you can have multiple presets on a single HDMI slot. I don't think you'll find a TV where that's not the case nowadays... unless I'm misunderstanding your question. I use Cal-Day, Cal-Night, and game mode on a single HDMI input. There are 3 or 4 other presets that I haven't touched. There are also 2 additional presets specifically for when the TV is in PC mode.
I don't think the 2.0a update has been released yet.
DOT DASH DOT
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I was just making sure, I've never owned a Samsung TV before, you just never know..but that's good, cheers mate.
Ugh. Pretty big on RB and GH. That kind of sucks to hear.
Tarin02543
Member
Curved is the new 3d, a fad that will be soon forgotten.
4K will add nothing to regular cable and consoles. Next year the only interesting 4K content will come in the form of UHD Bluray. 4K streaming is not worthwile.
That's what I was thinking too...
So is there any TVs on the market like this one but without the un-needed stuff?
Samsung JU7500
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7500
Specifically: around 40" with good colors and black levels with low input lag and with 1080p
Specifically ones That are good quality, and save a bit of money over that one.
Thx
DOT DASH DOT
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I'm pretty tempted by the deals on offer with the 9000 at the moment, I was thinking picking one up cheap now, and next year upgrade to the new evolution box, if there's worthwhile improvements. The thing is I'm not sure how this box upgrade deal works, specifically are you actually getting the exact same upgrade that the new model eight have? Barring panel improvements itself of course. Samsung don't list what you actually get in terms of specification aside from HDMI inputs etc. Is this route worth pursuing? Or should I wait.....I just don't want to have to pay top dollar if I can get a cheap decent Samsung now.
mitchman
Gold Member
That's a bit of a .. simplification. Netflix 4k is good quality, better than HD. Lots of fantastic 4k youtube content at high bitrates and in vp9, which 2015 TVs and evolution kits (Samsung) supports.
JudgmentJay
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I'm not sure how the upgrade works either to be honest; hopefully someone else can answer that. I think that the box handles all of the video processing, so any improvements in local dimming tech, black levels, input lag, etc, you'll be able to get by upgrading. I could be wrong though.
As for whether or not you should buy one, I don't know... it depends on the price. Samsung gave me mine as a replacement for a defective F8500 plasma that I bought used, so I got it for dirt cheap. Would I have paid $3,500-4,500 for one? No, I don't think so. Price aside I think it's a really great TV though, especially for gaming. I'm very satisfied with mine, and coming from a 500M Kuro I think that says alot. I never thought I'd be satisfied with an LED TV after spending ~5 years with the best TV money could buy, but here I am. You could always pick one up at a place that allows returns just in case you don't like it!
DOT DASH DOT
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Kind of what I'm thinking with the evolution box, I'm guessing you would get all the benefits, otherwise what's the point! Not sure how far down the line you can upgrade though, definitely a grey area, as there's only 1 box you can buy at the moment, and that's for last years models....so maybe you are only able to upgrade 1 year ahead and that's it. Wish Samsung would be more forthcoming with info about it.
John Lewis are a good place to buy in the UK as you can send back as many as you want. They keep selling out very quickly as its a pretty good offer.
Dr. Zoidberg
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A lot of the better 2015-16 LCD TVs are going to be 4K whether it's useful now or not. If you look at the 1080p sets they are starting to become all lower-end sets and that affects Picture Quality, regardless of resolution. So if you care about good PQ you may end up with a 4K set anyway. There are some notable exceptions such as the OLED 1080p sets which are pretty amazing.
It's sort of like "smart" features. People come in here asking for a great looking set that doesn't have smart features because they will never use them and they think they are paying extra for them. In most cases these days, you are paying for better PQ when you look at more expensive models. The smart features are just thrown in the mix. They certainly aren't adding much to the price tag. Nor is 3D support. So my advice is that if you don't care about those things, just ignore them, don't specifically seek out a set that doesn't have them because you may be hurting yourself in the end.
Megawarrior
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I recently just got a Vizio 1080p E40-c2 (40' tv) instead of the 4k m series. It's pretty damn beautiful for the price and the input lag is very low.
Exactly this. If you want a quality television at this point you're getting 4k. The 1080p versions are all - at best - mid tier.
Thanks! Your right you get the best feature package in the higher end sets even when they have extra stuff that I don't care about.
Ok I will look at that one too. Thanks!
draughn101
Member
I want 65" 4k, OLED, HDR, and 20ms input lag.
For those on the fence with 4k, forget when you'll get to watch "The Big Bang Theory" in 4k. These TV's do a great job at upscaling, which is especially noticeable with text/dashboard/UI stuff. Even though the colors don't compare between the Vizio M and my recently returned EC9300 OLED, the Vizio M presents a much cleaner HUD in Halo, and Dashboard for the XBOX. It also does a great job of making 1080 Netflix look 4k.
Now that my EC9300 has been returned (Amazon no longer stocks it, so no replacement), I'm trying to figure out which way to go. I want low input lag, and 4k. I've been spoiled by OLED, so PQ is pretty important now too. The low input lag rules out pretty much every OLED except the 9300. If you are playing Halo 5 online, the 40ms lag is definitely noticeable (floaty).
It's unfortunate that we can't go out and buy a TV that has it all going on, but I guess that's how it always is. At this point I'm thinking that I'll either go with the 65" JS9000 (which was the only TV in BB Magnolia room that was remotely comparable to the OLED and has 20ms input lag), or I'll get the 55" LG EF9500 (which is 4k, has HDR) and pair it with a BenQ monitor to game on.
For those on the fence with 4k, forget when you'll get to watch "The Big Bang Theory" in 4k. These TV's do a great job at upscaling, which is especially noticeable with text/dashboard/UI stuff. Even though the colors don't compare between the Vizio M and my recently returned EC9300 OLED, the Vizio M presents a much cleaner HUD in Halo, and Dashboard for the XBOX. It also does a great job of making 1080 Netflix look 4k.
Now that my EC9300 has been returned (Amazon no longer stocks it, so no replacement), I'm trying to figure out which way to go. I want low input lag, and 4k. I've been spoiled by OLED, so PQ is pretty important now too. The low input lag rules out pretty much every OLED except the 9300. If you are playing Halo 5 online, the 40ms lag is definitely noticeable (floaty).
It's unfortunate that we can't go out and buy a TV that has it all going on, but I guess that's how it always is. At this point I'm thinking that I'll either go with the 65" JS9000 (which was the only TV in BB Magnolia room that was remotely comparable to the OLED and has 20ms input lag), or I'll get the 55" LG EF9500 (which is 4k, has HDR) and pair it with a BenQ monitor to game on.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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But 4k looks bad with console gaming. I tried playing the PS4 on my uncles 4k vizio tv and the upscale caused artifacts and a pretty bad picture. I am waiting until consoles and cable tv fully buy into to 4k before I purchase a 4k tv. Smart features don't ruin picture quality for games you can simply just not use them. I was trying to see if there was a option to turn off 4k on the vizio and couldn't find it.
Oh man really? Makes me second guess buying a 4K right now if the upscaling is bad.
draughn101
Member
I've had the complete opposite experience with my 4k Vizio. Every game has looked a little better.
Looks bad? I dunno, I think the upscaler does a fantastic job. It could be just because it's OLED, but I don't think that the xbox one/ps4 has ever looked better.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Check it out for yourself, do you live near a Best Buy or Frys? I would much rather prefer a native 1080p display over a 4k TV right now. When I bought my Bravia W70B like 7 months ago I had the option to get a 4k TV then and the Best Buy rep kept it real with me and told me for console gaming and cable tv use a 4k TV is not necessarily the best bet for me at the moment. Only a few channels support 4k now and the upscaling degrades picture quality on consoles. My uncle just bought a 4K Vizio TV and I hooked it up for him and wanted to test out gaming on it so I hooked my PS4 up to it and the upscaled image did not look as good as it does on my 1080p Bravia. When consoles and cable tv, netflix fully support native 4k res that's when I will jump in.
Bornstellar
Member
Why did you return the 9300?
draughn101
Member
I was getting some pretty healthy IR. It would always go away after you turned it off/back on, or after a few hours of watching something, but it was enough to cause a little alarm. I went through a few 100 pages of forum posts on the AVforums, and talked to a few people that owned them on here, and no one else has really had the issue like mine. Either way, for 2k, you want the best you can get. I would've just done a swap with Amazon, but they stopped carrying it. They have the 9100 now.
dolabla
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Do Sony TV's usually drop in price on/near Black Friday? Or in December during the Holiday season?
The TV I want (the Sony XBR55x850c) has dropped a $100 since last I saw, but I'm just wondering if I should wait to see if it's gonna drop maybe $100-$200 more for Black Friday/Holiday season.
Anybody know?
The TV I want (the Sony XBR55x850c) has dropped a $100 since last I saw, but I'm just wondering if I should wait to see if it's gonna drop maybe $100-$200 more for Black Friday/Holiday season.
Anybody know?
You should try it for yourself. The upscaling on these TVs is usually very good. Just make sure noise reduction, motion enhancement, and all other "image enhancing features" are off. Also make sure the TVs are running the latest firmware, specially when evaluating Vizio sets (as per AVS forum guidelines).Take one of your 1080p consoles to the store of your choice, and ask them to let you try out a few TVs.
Bornstellar
Member
Ahh man, that sucks. Sorry to hear it.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
What's the ideal input lag levels you are looking to achieve? also have you ever thought about using a monitor instead of a tv?
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
LG EC9300
So i have been playing some GTA V today and i keep noticing this odd stuff, i have it in The Witcher 3 too and especially noticeable when it's nighttime in the games.
Watch this video and pay attention to the sky. Trust me when i say it's much worse than the video, it's hard to explain...but if i look around in the sky i see that, it's almost like it's moving. And when i drive in the game, it's like it's also flickering (during daytime in the game too.)
Now i did actually check all the other picture modes and it's visible on all picture modes. Is this just the game then and that it probably has been there all the time? (the screen i was gaming on before the LG was like 22 inch, so it's of course less easy to notice.
Talking about this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8lnlh62v6dtvoq/20151106_223824.mp4?dl=0
So i have been playing some GTA V today and i keep noticing this odd stuff, i have it in The Witcher 3 too and especially noticeable when it's nighttime in the games.
Watch this video and pay attention to the sky. Trust me when i say it's much worse than the video, it's hard to explain...but if i look around in the sky i see that, it's almost like it's moving. And when i drive in the game, it's like it's also flickering (during daytime in the game too.)
Now i did actually check all the other picture modes and it's visible on all picture modes. Is this just the game then and that it probably has been there all the time? (the screen i was gaming on before the LG was like 22 inch, so it's of course less easy to notice.
Talking about this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8lnlh62v6dtvoq/20151106_223824.mp4?dl=0
I don't know what I really am going to require to go with. I like shooters and rhythm games, both that do quite need a reasonable input lag level.
As long as it is acceptable, I'm good. I don't really want to use my monitor for it, but if needed I will be able to do so.
Are you referring to the color banding? That comes with a lack of gradation to support a clean transition from light to dark. Some televisions have a "smooth gradation" or similar setting to help combat this.
In this circumstance, I believe it's the display and not the source material. I own both GTA V (PS4) and Witcher 3 (PC) and don't recall ever encountering it in those games.
Curved was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.
4K is ok. It offers painless scaling from 1080p and 720p, so there's no real negative to buying a 4K TV if you plan to spend over $1000. There are a lack of 4K sources right now, so it's not a huge benefit either.
ACH1LL3US
Member
No, Samsung and Sony's 4k upscalung of 1080p is fantastic! You can tell the panel has way more pixels, it has a very clean look to it. I prefer 1080p on a 4k tv imho.
I too was in the exact same situation. I chose to keep the ec9300,for movie and tv and grabbed a js9000 for gaming. The only.option really. If you get the ef9500 you will be even more saddened by the input lag as it is even higher then the ec9300 which imho has too high of lag for gaming ( my leo bodnar was showing as high as 47ms for the middle bar in game mode with pc input icon).
Also I tried going back to a pc monitor, the Benq gw2470h.... I just cant deal with super small displays evem if they have 12ms of input lag and no pwm.
draughn101
Member
This is killing me. If they could get the EF9500 to 30ms if be all over it. I'd use the Vizio that would be in the bedroom for gaming and not worry about it, but it sucks to move the Xbox back in forth when people come by to play madden or something.
Does the JS9000 look pretty good? Does the extra 10" (for the same price) and 20ms make up the OLED difference
Trust me, it's even worse having the ef9500 sitting in your living room looking as damn good as it does, and trying to convince yourself that the lag is tolerable. According to people in the AV forums and reviews, the lag (in game mode with inputs on pc) is in the high 50s-60 ms. I'd KILL to have it be half that. It'd have to take a miracle for LG to fix it in an update, right?
My second option for TVs is the Samsung 9500. It's still a super nice set, but sadly isn't an OLED. And it's curved. I know it's a fad and doesn't offer any real tangible benefits. (Although I'd be the only one using it, so maybe it would be ok...)
EDIT: I stand corrected.
Just be glad you're not a Panasonic ST60 owner attempting to live in denial. It was super popular when it came out for offering a good value, (and carrying a lot of media hype) but had 70-80ms of input lag. A very vocal minority would have you believe that's perfectly acceptable.
Honestly, I don't know. And I'd largely be talking out of my ass if I even said anything.
So...with that said...I'd like to think it's a possibility. (From what I remember reading at the AVS forums) Samsung with their 9500 released an update that enabled local dimming and lowered input lag in game mode not too long ago, so there is precedent for it. But it seems like Samsung has finally listened and realized that input lag reduction is important. Prior to the 2015 models their tvs had pretty medium amounts of lag. Now, most of their TVs are in the 20-30 ms range. Which I personally consider just perfect for a non CRT television. Now, I don't know if LG actually cares about what reviewers and internet forum posters think, but every review to date has mentioned the lag being too high, and that is seemingly the only complaint people have with the ef9500 (minus the vignetting, yellow banding, and excessive blurring from the REAL hardcore AV guys). I don't know if they could actually get the lag lower on this TV. But man would I love it if they did.
Really? Huh... that's interesting. Do you have a link to the update notes?
I can't find the post, but it's something I remember reading while lurking over at the AVS forums. So, perhaps take that with a grain of salt unless I can find a link to official patch notes. I'll edit my original post, since I don't want to propagate misinformation.
JudgmentJay
Member
I can confirm 100% that local dimming works in game mode and does not increase input lag.