I platinum'd Arkham Knight on PS4 and never experienced anything close to single digit framerates. Keep on with the conspiracy stuff though.
Digital Foundry Performance Analysis: Fallout 4
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I platinum'd Arkham Knight on PS4 and never experienced anything close to single digit framerates. Keep on with the conspiracy stuff though.
I've finished Arkham Knight on PS4. If you encountered such a thing then either your PS4 is broken (i.e. - overheating) or you ran into a bug. The game runs very consistently on PS4 and is one of the best looking games on consoles today.
The Lamonster
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yeah that never happened to me. not even close
Crossing Eden
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That's definitely an issue on your part. Because that is absolutely not representative of how the game runs, it's basically flawless performance wise.
CyberChulo
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You either need a new hard drive or a new PS4. That's never happened in the game for me. I've played though it and through NG+ and nothing but butter smooth for me.
ScepticMatt
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thelastword
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These screens look sharp, but if anyone says it's the best looking game they've ever seen, I'm not so sure, the scope of the game may be impressive, but the micro-detail of a scene, not so much, outside of character closeups that is...Those ones?
Those ones?
Very impressive. I wish I had the hardware needed for that level of IQ, maybe next year with Pascal.
Off topic but overall very impressed by The Witcher 3 in the tech department, bearing in mind the insale scale it's a remarquable achievement and the engine can even do more as evidenced by the ini tweaks but the API probably limits them.
Part of me would like them to update their engine with DX12 on PC but I don't believe this will happen due to the costs involved.
To get back to Fallout 4 it not as ugly as I thought, the video footage boded rather well but predictably the game seems highly inconsistent and indoor locations look rather plain.
They claim to be using PBR but many materials don't react plausibly to lighting. It is a AAA release with ample budget, the disappointment is justified.
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Overall, I think it's easily one of the best looking games around. Right up there with Assassin's Creed Unity and The Order.
What makes The Witcher so impressive it just how massive it is while still looking good up close.
It's too bad there are a lot of graphical issues like jarring LOD transitions and clipping, but I guess that's just a bit of trade off for the real-time cutscenes.
I noticed this, too. I spent a good amount of time wandering around the early parts of the wasteland last night and lots of environment objects like shrubs and such looked like they weren't being lit at all. They really stood out, unfortunately.
Overall, I think the game looks quite nice. The lighting sure can create some beautiful scenes.
Then why do they need two dedicated cores for other stuff? At least for Xbone, we know what these two cores are doing but what do they do in PS4?
Also, gladly nowadays we have something like schedulers in operating systems which take care when and what gets CPU time. And really, the word processor which is idling while you are playing games - how many cycles would it probably steal? Million other tasks? Your way of arguing and to prove your points went even more extreme in the past weeks than it was ever before.
Yea this is an issue on your side, Arkham Knight is probably the most consistent game released this year on consoles performance wise.
Maybe thats why.
How does that have any sort of relevance here?
I can really feel my word processor eating up those cycles. Of course, even if those background tasks somehow manage to take up an entire PS4 worth of CPU performance I still have 4 left over.
Yes yes haswell-e is bawesome #__#
The point was more that the idea of "word processors" eating up any significant amount of CPU performance on a PC while running a game is patently ridiculous, but that also works!
As others have stated, either your PS4 is crapping out or you're full of it.
Why is there no water in this part of the PS4 version of the game?
If you go a few seconds further there is (or better isn't if you look at PS4) another puddle on xbox one and PC but none on PS4 ... WHY?
Dynamic weather??
So you have a 6 core processor?
I would really like to know how much performance devs can actually squeeze out of the 6 cores available. 4 of these have a shared l2 cache only for gaming (at least this is what I assume, I guess they use thread pinning) while the other 2 share their cache with "other" tasks. I also don't know how both CPU "packages" are interconnected but this could also steal many cycles with io wait. Add to this that not only they are relatively low clocked, their architecture is old and slow (especially when compared to Intel CPUs) and their ISA is also not up to date to nowadays standards.
But I also want to add that I think that devs will read the Jaguar coding guide more and more thoroughly in the future so you can at least save some cycles in given circumstances. This is an optimization which on PC is up to the compilers but on consoles you can at least optimize a bit more to the given architecture.
There's a saying, "Garbage comes in, garbage comes out." You can have the best PBR renderer but if the input textures are not set properly with respect to PBR, you won't get those results. The texture artists need to change the way behaved prior to PBR.
RoadHazard
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What? I've finished it, and never had any real framerate issues at all. Yeah, it can drop a few frames when racing through the city with the Batmobile and shit is blowing up all around you, but it's barely noticeable, and other than that it was basically a perfect 30 fps experience throughout. Absolutely no single-digit framerates, ever.
In Service
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XB1 - now with 100% more wet.
The game performs worse out of spite.
Too much water. 0/10.
has this been posted?
VGTech Analysis - stock XB1 hard drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR2jKHn5pc0
FPS Statistics:
The mean fps is 29.34
The median fps is 30
The maximum fps is 30
The minimum fps is 19
VGTech Analysis - stock XB1 hard drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR2jKHn5pc0
FPS Statistics:
The mean fps is 29.34
The median fps is 30
The maximum fps is 30
The minimum fps is 19
MisterR
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I don't believe you.
Teletraan1
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I will admit I was off base worrying about marketing deals here. When the initial reports of poor PS4 performance came in I figured here we go again but this doesn't seem to be the case. Luckily 
P) the game runs poorly on both systems. It is Bethesda's first go on these consoles so it is not unexpected. Hopefully they can get it patched up to run acceptable. I have the PC version and it runs really solid on a lower end machine.
P) the game runs poorly on both systems. It is Bethesda's first go on these consoles so it is not unexpected. Hopefully they can get it patched up to run acceptable. I have the PC version and it runs really solid on a lower end machine.So why didn't they encounter the 0 fps drop?
It's there at 22 seconds...
opticalmace
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? Seems to say 26 FPS, not sure what you mean about 0 fps.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
That's a poor way of looking at things "lol it's their 1st rodeo this gen" doesn't cut it and there have been plenty of open world games this gen and while none of them were bug free they sure as heck never dropped to 0 FPS and Bethesda deserves the critism for itI will admit I was off base worrying about marketing deals here. When the initial reports of poor PS4 performance came in I figured here we go again but this doesn't seem to be the case. Luckily
Coming from someone who sat through this sort of performance while playing Bethesda games on PS3 now that they are not the only ones making Open World games and they lost their excuse of "lol we got less than 512mb of ram to work with" there's no reason why the game should run this bad on release.
AK is a rock solid 30fps with amazing effects and graphics, one of the most impressive open World looking games í´ve ever played.
Zombie James
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https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3shgfp/i_discovered_what_makes_the_game_so_performance/
What the fuck?
Edit: Reading the comments I guess it's not a big deal, but reminded me of that Crysis 3 tesselation thing where an ocean is being rendered underneath cities all the time.
What the fuck?
Edit: Reading the comments I guess it's not a big deal, but reminded me of that Crysis 3 tesselation thing where an ocean is being rendered underneath cities all the time.
Yeah, people are really quick to jump the gun and I really hate the way it was presented as a fact without any performance profiling nor consideration of how rendering works and what would be the more realistic reasons for long frametimes or stuttering.
I really hope the modding tools come early next year as I it's going to be really interesting to see how Papyrus has been improved and if there's anything we can transcribe regarding the gameobjects handling this time.
The Crysis 2 water has been debunked many times. Wireframe disables culling if memory serves. That said some objects in Crysis 2 were tessellated to a great extent, because Nvidia hardware could take it.
Crysis 2 was a showcase for Nvidia at the time.
The reddit post is a bit weird but then, it's Bethesda and their engines does not seem "modern".
JeffG
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You would think it would be close to 0
Maybe a difference between consoles vs PC. One side with set Threading and the other with some dynamic thread handling
Dictator93
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The myth persists.
It will never die no matter how many times I have to explain it
Ok the factory seems to be a issue on every platform then.
thelastword
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It's typical of consoles, with many upgrades and updates to the OS as you go along. They learnt a hard lesson from last gen, where they did not have enough memory to cater for some OS features the competiton had. I'm pretty sure they don't need all the memory and CPU allocation for the OS, but it's always better to take more as opposed to less in that scenario. What they give back to devs as the years progress or towards the end of the generation will be better served in more tasking games. Also, the time when devs will begin to use GPGPU computing more efficiently, it's a win win.....
As for all the jabbing on the WP, I was mainly talking about low end processors in PC's like crappy AMD processors which run Fallout 4 at 40-50fps, like I showed in the video. If we deem the PS4 CPU just as crappy or in that general crap realm, then the argument was simple...That the AMD CPU I showed was a 4 core CPU, the PS4 has 6 cores available with a 20GB/s bus that expedites comms between memory and GPU with improved L2 cache amongst other efficiencies on the CPU side.
I have one of these crappy 4 core AMD CPU's on my PC, which everyone is saying is absolute dogshit. even the more advanced 8 core FX versions gets the same type of smacking. I can see persons coming in and saying often that AMD CPU's mixed with NVIDIA is at a disadvantage as opposed to intel CPU+NVIDIA GPU, but in the video I showed with all these setbacks phenom 810 with a 750ti is performing 40-50 fps on high settings in Fallout 4.
If you know the setup of a console vs PC, then you would know that background programs can affect your main launcher much more than on consoles, since there's not a particular reservation for all background objects/programs that runs on PC. At any one time your AV can go wild on resources, even Geforce experience is a hog. I've seen many programs go wild with a quick look into Task Manager. This is what I've observed on my end, and some of my games have been affected at odd times....I was just referencing these issues against the 810+750ti running fallout 4 on high at 40-60fps regardless, whilst the PS4 which doesn't have these background issues is falling into the twenties, even the XB1 holds it's framerate better in heavy alpha scenes....I think that paints the picture fair enough.
Case in point, when is that not the case......?I will admit I was off base worrying about marketing deals here. When the initial reports of poor PS4 performance came in I figured here we go again but this doesn't seem to be the case. Luckily
Hmmmmmm........
AcademicSaucer
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Oh wow, those drops .
Geez. It is dropping even lower than 20 fps at times.
Why is there no water in this part of the PS4 version of the game?
another puddle on xbox one and PC but none on PS4 ... WHY?
Game changer.
Never give up, never surrenderThe myth persists.
It will never die no matter how many times I have to explain it
The game has rough spots on PC as well but this is something else....
Like, Bethesda's engine guys need to figure something out there.....
I don't expect LOD / shadow distance to be improved but GPU bound drops should not happen nearly as often. The game from what I can see is not very taxing on the GPU provided the very impressive "ultra" god rays is left unchecked.
The CPU is certainly getting a good workout though which was to be expected bearing in mind what kind of game Fallout 4 is.