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[Whompa02]

As someone who owns MGSV and Fallout 4, I think FO4 is SO much better...visuals obviously are better in MGSV, but I feel like I have so much more to do and enjoy in FO4...kind of different beasts, but also kind of similar...at least FO4 has a story that I can care about without TRYING to care about it.

 

[boswell22]

What I don't quite understand is where the power of the next-gen consoles is being used?

The graphics are better but nothing special. I am only about 2 hours in so this is a genuine question. Is the game bigger then previous games? Is there more to do? I played both Fallout 3 and Skyrim but not enough to really make a comparison.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Glad to see it didn't get automatic 95+ imo 85 would be a good final spot. The gunplay is so much better it's not even funny. But basically ripping out all the dialogue for a mass effect-lite system sucks. I do like the multi character convos. So keep the current systems if u must just throw more depth to it / USE SKILL option other than charisma.

*cough obsidian pls cough*

But you are kidding yourself if this game doesn't have the exact same garbage animation jank as all previous Bethesda games have had. The awkward scripting, the piss-poor ragdolls in VATS, the janky animation transitions, movement cycles, clipping, floating, collision, etcetera.

I was impressed with the ghouls, not sure if it's canned or havok based, but them running, falling tripping, flying punching, falling etc looked great to me.

 

[a916]

Ayy lmao the user scores are hyperbolic as ****.
87 is quite solid though for the reviewers but:5.4? For the users?
Wtf happened

Much like a lot of people on GAF, you're either a 10/10 or a 0/10.

 

[Davilmar]

I don't know if it has already been posted, but George from Super Bunny Hop just posted his review of Fallout 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejO6aiA7bs

 

[Steel]

I love the user score on metacritic. People realizing that this is an overhyped game.

The Steam reviews are more accurate; you have to actually own the game. It's at 80% which is only a little above where I'd put it even with the massive disappointment that the RPG elements absolutely suck.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

For me, Fallout 4 blows DA:I, TW3 and MGSV (all great games in one way or another) out of the water so I tend to agree with the higher scores. Its the most fun I've had with my PS4 outside of Rocket League. The game deserves all the praise it gets. It also deserves the flak it gets for its faults. Gladly for me its faults are not enough to hamper my enjoyment with it very much.

 

[Mattenth]

Much like a lot of people on GAF, you're either a 10/10 or a 0/10.

That's why Steam uses thumbs-up / thumbs-down, and why market researchers use net promoter rather than taking a 0-10 rating at face value. It's also why Uber counts 1-3 star reviews as 1 star (so if you're one of those weirdos that gives out 3 stars, know that it doesn't matter).

People don't think in terms of numbers when it comes to experiences.

How much fun did you have on a scale of 1-10?

That's a ridiculous question when you really sit down and think about it. A better question is "Did you have fun?"

OpenCritic's been looking at a % recommended system, but we're starting to see some flaws there too. One issue is that some publications simply recommend games disproportionately often. Kotaku recommends 85%+ of the games it reviews. Around 50% of all games IGN reviews get an 8.0 or better.

Some publications also just don't have scales that let them do much. Telegraph and others use 1-5 stars, with no half stars, which means the jumps are from 100, to 80, to 60. If you say 4 or 5 stars is recommended, then you've got the same problem: they're recommending over 80% of their games. Giant Bomb has given out 4 stars or better to 63% of all games on OpenCritic. How do we draw the line on where it's "recommended" or "not recommended"?

The next feature for OpenCritic is going to be showing where a game falls on the distribution of all games that have been reviewed (ex: Tales from the Borderlands is in the top 3% of games scored on OpenCritic. Fallout 4 is in the top 4.5% of all games scored on OpenCritic). After that, we'll be looking at highlighting how publications actually score, showing each publication's rating distributions. From there, we can hopefully get some feedback and find some ways forward on a better scoring system (such as % critics that recommend this game).

Edit: One more thing on selection bias... It's easy to forget that there's a huge selection bias when it comes to games and review scores. Shitty games get reviewed significantly less often. And there are a lot of shitty games out there. It's easy to forget that there's a massive selection bias when it comes to these scores.

 

[Majestad]

For me, Fallout 4 blows DA:I, TW3 and MGSV (all great games in one way or another) out of the water so I tend to agree with the higher scores. Its the most fun I've had with my PS4 outside of Rocket League. The game deserves all the praise it gets. It also deserves the flak it gets for its faults. Gladly for me its faults are not enough to hamper my enjoyment with it very much.

I'm interested to hear how does Fallout 4 blow The Witcher 3 away for you. That's a certainly..... interesting opinion.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

That's a certainly an opinion.

Yes it is. And I'd have to agree with him, so far. Just don't like The Witcher's lore honestly, nor Geralt.

 

[Davilmar]

I'm interested to hear how does Fallout 4 blow The Witcher 3 away for you. That's a certainly..... interesting opinion.

I might give you MGSV. Hell, I would easily give you Dragon Age: Inquisition. The Witcher 3? They are both RPGs, but they style, gameplay format and narratives are so different from one another. I just felt underwhelmed with Fallout 4. Not that the Witcher 3 didn't have its disappointment in controls or story, either.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

In interested to hear how does Fallout 4 blow The Witcher 3 away from you. That's a certainly..... Interesting opinion.

I just like the first person shooting combat with RPG elements over TW3's combat. I also like post apocalypse setting more than the western fantasy setting. I enjoyed TW3 immensely. I just am having a lot more fun with FO4. I get thats not a popular opinion, but it is mine.

 

[Glass Shark]

People don't think in terms of numbers when it comes to experiences.

How much fun did you have on a scale of 1-10?

That's a ridiculous question when you really sit down and think about it. A better question is "Did you have fun?"

This is exactly why it makes me crazy to see sites like The Verge give out arbitrary numbered scores to gadgets. I don't care if you think something is a 6.4 or a 8.7, what I want to know is if it's good enough for you to keep using or not.

 

[Majestad]

I just like the first person shooting combat with RPG elements over TW3's combat. I also like post apocalypse setting more than the western fantasy setting. I enjoyed TW3 immensely. I just am having a lot more fun with FO4. I get thats not a popular opinion, but it is mine.

Ah, ok. If it comes down to setting preference yeah I think that's fair.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Witcher was great. But no way is it better than Fallout IMO.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Got to say, I felt pretty "meh" about the game from what I played last night. I think it was just because I was tired. I got to a really combat-heavy part which I hadn't really prepared for (the quest where you recruit N

Spoiler

ick Valentine

), and I was just getting slaughtered.

I don't think I've put enough points into the right stuff to be honest. And is it just me but is sneaking completely ineffective in this title unless you pour points into it?

 

[Besthelboy]

Witcher was great. But no way is it better than Fallout IMO.

We all believe you, Vault Dweller 111

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

While I love Fallout 4 so far, I have had more fun with Divinity Original Sin on the PS4. It's the best Rpg released this year IMO.

 

[Majestad]

Witcher was great. But no way is it better than Fallout IMO.

If you were to make a GAF poll, I think one game would massively win over the other one. Not that this forum is the only opinion that matters, but the consensus would be quite similar everywhere else I reckon.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

While I love Fallout 4 so far, I have had more fun with Divinity Original Sin on the PS4. It's the best Rpg released this year IMO.

I really need to give Divinity a try.

 

[jesu]

I'm interested to hear how does Fallout 4 blow The Witcher 3 away for you. That's a certainly..... interesting opinion.

For me it's finding and exploring new buildings/dungeons in Fallout 4.
Something that was sadly missing in The Witcher 3.

 

[Battle_Scarred Shogun]

Witcher was great. But no way is it better than Fallout IMO.

Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with you man

 

[Xater]

Witcher was great. But no way is it better than Fallout IMO.

That's great for you.

I think it's one of the worst RPGs I have played it in years. Having played Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Witcher 3 and a bit of Divinity as well it just doesn't hold up.

Beyond it's bland quests, terrible dialogue system and uninteresting combat, it also released in an incredibly shoddy state. I have not played something this buggy and janky in a long time. Hell Fallout 3 did better. After 15 hours of playtime I had enough. Not going to continue this shit and it's going to get sold.

Oh and the building part is also boring and comes with a bad interface to boot! So basically the only true progress they made from the last game is bad.

 

[Majestad]

For me it's finding and exploring new buildings/dungeons in Fallout 4.
Something that was sadly missing in The Witcher 3.

What? The exploration in W3 is fantastic. Even mundane things like finding a corpse that contained a letter in itself was a mini-quest with interesting twists. There's also a lot of caves to explore which are no different from the average Fallout cave.

 

[Hasney]

Got to say, I felt pretty "meh" about the game from what I played last night. I think it was just because I was tired. I got to a really combat-heavy part which I hadn't really prepared for (the quest where you recruit N

Spoiler

ick Valentine

), and I was just getting slaughtered.

I don't think I've put enough points into the right stuff to be honest. And is it just me but is sneaking completely ineffective in this title unless you pour points into it?

I've not even been to that city yet in 20 hours, had plenty more keeping me occupied. Sneaking is fine, dumped everything into charisma at the start but once I got an effective weapon from range, I'm getting all the sneak attack bonuses.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

We all believe you, Vault Dweller 111

Im glad.

If you were to make a GAF poll, I think one game would massively win over the other one. Not that this forum is the only opinion that matters, but the consensus would be quite similar everywhere else I reckon.

I agree. But that has no effect on my opinion at all.

Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with you man

Thats fine. Witcher was a fantastic game and I really enjoyed it. I just love everything about Fallout games.

 

[King_Moc]

What? The exploration in W3 is fantastic. Even mundane things like finding a corpse that contained a letter in itself was a mini-quest with interesting twists. There's also a lot of caves to explore which are no different from the average Fallout cave.

While I don;t agree that exploration was 'missing' in W3, it was pretty annoying taking the time to head to an '?' on your map and just finding yet another group of raiders around a camp, or one of the 300 million sets of three submerged chests at sea.

Fallout blows it away in this regard. When you head towards an icon on your map, you have no idea what you're gonna get.

 

[120v]

i just never really cared for the lore/world of witcher, despite the writing and story progression being meticulously handled.

i won't wade into another point by point over which game is better (or at least i'll save it for when i'm 50+ hrs into FO4) but fallout has a huge advantage out of the box in this regard.

 

[tuxfool]

Thats fine. Witcher was a fantastic game and I really enjoyed it. I just love everything about Fallout games.

Lets test your allegiances. Rate the Fallout games.

 

[KooopaKid]

I don't know if it has already been posted, but George from Super Bunny Hop just posted his review of Fallout 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejO6aiA7bs

Just saw it. GOTY indeed!

 

[Battle_Scarred Shogun]

Im glad.


I agree. But that has no effect on my opinion at all.


Thats fine. Witcher was a fantastic game and I really enjoyed it. I just love everything about Fallout games.

ah ok, well to each his own. As long as your happy with it.

 

[Denton]

We all believe you, Vault Dweller 111

 

[la flama blanca]

Witcher was great. But no way is it better than Fallout IMO.

LMFAO.

 

[aravuus]

While I don;t agree that exploration was 'missing' in W3, it was pretty annoying taking the time to head to an '?' on your map and just finding yet another group of raiders around a camp, or one of the 300 million sets of three submerged chests at sea.

Fallout blows it away in this regard. When you head towards an icon on your map, you have no idea what you're gonna get.

I wouldn't really compare TW3 and FO4's map markers to each other. TW3 has interesting locations, ruins, small buildings and whatnot all over the world too - they're just not marked like everything in FO4 is. One could even argue that exploration is more rewarding in TW3 since it's not just following the little icons you see in your radar.

I'm not the one to push that argument, though, cause I also think exploring is more fun in FO4.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Lets test your allegiances. Rate the Fallout games.

Perhaps i mispoke. BETHESDA Fallout games. Never did play 1 and 2. New Vegas was alright but I definitely like 3 more.

But if you are really curious (even though I know you are just waiting to crush me because you hate my opinion) FO3 is my favorite game of all time 10/10. I won't rate 4 yet but it's been everything i've hoped for so far.

Cant wait for reactions, as I know this literally makes me Hitler in the eyes of most of you. Have at it, because nothing you say will make me forget that i'm having a hell of a good time playing this game. Glad I could give you so much to work with though.

 

[aravuus]

Perhaps i mispoke. BETHESDA Fallout games. Never did play 1 and 2. New Vegas was alright but I definitely like 3 more.

But if you are really curious (even though I know you are just waiting to crush me because you hate my opinion) FO3 is my favorite game of all time 10/10. I won't rate 4 yet but it's been everything i've hoped for so far.

Cant wait for reactions, as I know this literally makes me Hitler in the eyes of most of you. Have at it, because nothing you say will make me forget that i'm having a hell of a good time playing this game. Glad I could give you so much to work with though.

I don't think nobody cares, to be honest

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's mostly salty Fallout nerds rating it 0/10. Userscore is even more pointless than the metascore.

Then what are the 10/10's considered then?

I really need to give Divinity a try.

Same.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

I don't think nobody cares, to be honest

So somebody cares? Cool

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

If I could replace Geralt with a customisable main character, TW3 would be so much better for me. I know that's ridiculously shallow, but I love roleplaying.

So actually Fallout 4's forced story isn't great for me. Don't get me wrong, I like the story. If it were a Mass Effect style RPG, I'd love it. But I like completely freestyling Bethesda games in terms of what role my character's meant to play.

E.g. A misunderstood Orc mage in Skyrim who just wants a place to call home, or a scamming "wheeler-dealer" type character in Fallout New Vegas with an alcohol problem.

 

[tuxfool]

Perhaps i mispoke. BETHESDA Fallout games. Never did play 1 and 2. New Vegas was alright but I definitely like 3 more.

But if you are really curious (even though I know you are just waiting to crush me because you hate my opinion) FO3 is my favorite game of all time 10/10. I won't rate 4 yet but it's been everything i've hoped for so far.

Cant wait for reactions, as I know this literally makes me Hitler in the eyes of most of you. Have at it, because nothing you say will make me forget that i'm having a hell of a good time playing this game. Glad I could give you so much to work with though.

*Shrug*
I was just curious. To me that just says you like Bethesda games. You rightfully narrowed it down here, because you cannot possibly like everything about Fallout if you rate the Bethesda efforts above all. I consider Bethesda Fallout to be fanfiction Fallout.

I don't think nobody cares, to be honest

I cared enough to ask.

 

[ghostjoke]

I don't know if it has already been posted, but George from Super Bunny Hop just posted his review of Fallout 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejO6aiA7bs

Ah, someone who shares my run-to-the-hills mentality when I sense a quest popping up.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I consider Bethesda Fallout to be fanfiction Fallout.

As opposed to alternate universe deader than Duke Nukem Fallout?

 

[aravuus]

So somebody cares? Cool

Well, I'm sure there's always the few super fans that start frothing at the mouth when you even mention Bethesda Fallouts, but don't think most of us are that petty. It's insulting.

 

[Steel]

If I could replace Geralt with a customisable main character, TW3 would be so much better for me. I know that's ridiculously shallow, but I love roleplaying.

I agree.

Well, I'm sure there's always the few super fans that start frothing at the mouth when you even mention Bethesda Fallouts, but don't think most of us are that petty. It's insulting.

Yeah, I rather enjoyed Fallout 3. Preferred NV, but still.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

*Shrug*
I was just curious. To me that just says you like Bethesda games. You rightfully narrowed it down here, because you cannot possibly like everything about Fallout if you rate the Bethesda efforts above all. I consider Bethesda Fallout to be fanfiction Fallout.

Yea, sorry. Ive just learned to naturally take the defensive with that position.

I do just really love Bethesda games. Even with the technical problems, those just aren't big deals for me in video games.

 

[tuxfool]

As opposed to alternate universe deader than Duke Nukem Fallout?

I would pay to see that mess.

 

[Primethius]

I'm surprised this game wasn't marked down more for how buggy it was. I'm on PC and I just suffered a couple of really big back to back bugs.

One where a NPC for a quest phased through the floor and was underground...

Then, an elevator glitched out and wouldn't operate making me revert my save...

And now, my VATs function refuses to operate meaning I have to go back another hour or so.

Absolutely the most bug-ridden game I've played in some time. And those are just the big ones.

 

[Cleve]

I am enjoying Fallout 4, but the dialogue change is a crushing blow as I always played fallout as a "talker" and it just sucked so much of the flavor out of the game.

It's good but well behind Witcher 3, Divinity, and Wasteland 2 for me.

 

[Ascenion]

Witcher 3 is an amazing game, but as an open world RPG, doesn't hold a candle to Fallout 4. Witcher is highly story driven and Geralt's story is fantastic. Fallout 4 feels like my story and allows me more freedom than Witcher and that puts it over the edge. Honestly I'd have liked Witcher 3 more as a better written novel, than the game it ended up being. I feel like so much more could've been fleshed out in a novel.

 

[Sou Da]

If I could replace Geralt with a customisable main character, TW3 would be so much better for me. I know that's ridiculously shallow, but I love roleplaying.

So actually Fallout 4's forced story isn't great for me. Don't get me wrong, I like the story. If it were a Mass Effect style RPG, I'd love it. But I like completely freestyling Bethesda games in terms of what role my character's meant to play.

E.g. A misunderstood Orc mage in Skyrim who just wants a place to call home, or a scamming "wheeler-dealer" type character in Fallout New Vegas with an alcohol problem.

I had a friend who roleplayed a thief with an intense paranoia/hatred of robots in New Vegas, it was a really fun playthrough to watch.

I also have a friend who roleplayed a coward that was killed by Sten in DA:O but that's neither here nor there.