I thought it was music CDs that weren't supported because of licenses. CD-ROM isn't even mentioned in the supported disc formats, which leaves the possibility open.
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Digital Foundry: Hands-on with PS4's PlayStation 2 emulation
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I thought it was music CDs that weren't supported because of licenses. CD-ROM isn't even mentioned in the supported disc formats, which leaves the possibility open.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
All those JRPGS........
Having PS2 emulation for this game would make the new WWE games irrelevant! However, knowing Sony, I don't see them doing disc-based emulation.
Sadly, even disc-based emulation would require the approval of the publisher and the addition of trophies. And since THQ is dead and even if they weren't, they would have lost the WWE license for that game for a long while.
Killing_Joke
Member
PS2 emulation isn't really all that hype for me personally. Sure, a lot of great games and one less console to have hooked up but PCSX2 has spoiled the fuck out of me.
Right, right... I vaguely remember the Cerny interview. We should unearth that and comb through it.
Stallion Dan
Member
I'll be honest, disc emulation or I don't care about any of this. I didn't buy any PS2 classics on PS3 and only bought two US PS1 classics that never released here in UK originally.
But I played my disc PS1 games a fair bit. Would do so for my disc PS2 games too.
But I played my disc PS1 games a fair bit. Would do so for my disc PS2 games too.
All I have to hand is this mention of a plan to add audio CD support at a later date, which would not be possible if the hardware wasn't capable.
Although I guess audio CD support hasn't materialized.
I am also fairly sure that a blu ray drive that cannot read CDs isn't a thing that exists.
BrianRoyale
Member
OK I watched IGN's opening of the Star Wars LE console for Battlefront and was scratching my head at the part when the dude shows that you get all those old PS2 (and SNES) games. I went to look for them on PSN cause I really really wanted to play Starfighter (I've been hungry for a fun space flight game) and found nothing.
So it turns out it's emulation?
Man this is so weird to not announce this. I need to look into it more, but i assume we can't use our old ps2 discs but need to wait for them to pop up on psn to get them.
I'm happy though.
So it turns out it's emulation?
Man this is so weird to not announce this. I need to look into it more, but i assume we can't use our old ps2 discs but need to wait for them to pop up on psn to get them.
I'm happy though.
It's mostly about licenses, it could be a massive headache for publishers to round up all the required ones for a new kind of product distribution.
PS1 disc based emulation on PS3 didn't require any approval, did it?
Obliterator
Member
Is it possible to make those PS2 games that are emulated 1080p?
M1ch04c4n0
Banned
MS and Sony: "Emulation, you mean, a why to re-sell old games to people who already bought them!? I'm in!"
Next, MS and Sony ask you to pay for using your pants while playing. 'Gamers' around the world cheer.
Next, MS and Sony ask you to pay for using your pants while playing. 'Gamers' around the world cheer.
You could watch the video on the OPThose games are emulated on PS4 and not a PS4 port.
Yeah I know the games are being emulated but I fail to see how this means we are going to now be able to emulate all of our old favourite PS2 games on the system.
Whilst it would be amazing seeing as I still have 100+ PS2 games this will more likely be used for a couple of PS2 classics released on the store. I hope I'm wrong of course!
On what basis are you making this claim?
Stallion Dan
Member
I doubt the PS1 emulation on PS3 had any such requirement given all the licensed games/games with licensed music that work on it, why would PS2 emulation on PS4 need it?
The Mad Draklor
Member
This was exactly my thought, as well.
Read the article people. The emulator's native res for PS2 games is apparently above 720p, but not 1080p
Corpsepyre
Banned
How the hell did they not announce this properly?!
I mean, that's kind of the publisher's prerogative in a nutshell. Look at the Xbox One's 360 library and some of the fuss being made by which games are and aren't being made available.
Publishers decide if their games get to work on specific hardware. It's why Crash Bandicoot 1-3 work on PSP via classics but not Vita in North America.
Except this doesn't happen with the Xbox One emulation and you would hope Sony follow suit.
Nocturno999
Member
If emulation doesn't read PS2 discs I'll stick with PCSX2.
Sony can get a lot of good will if they allow it to run discs. People will still buy PS2 games that they don't have.
Sony can get a lot of good will if they allow it to run discs. People will still buy PS2 games that they don't have.
Super Star Wars was converted by a third party from SNES
They've absolutely sold people emulated versions of their older games before. They just offered a limited library of disc-based emulation on Xbox One, too.
Sony has done the grandfathered, emulated, and cross-buy route plenty of times since the PS2. It's really up in the air what their PS4 plans are when we're talking legacy.
I dont think it ever was. I mean we knew about those titles long ago because of the bundle, but not of any official "emulator" being announced.
Ehm, what do you have to rebuy for xbone bc?
Stallion Dan
Member
I'm pretty sure a lot of the games that work on one but not the other is QA related. Is no reason publishers wouldn't want to sell their games to a bigger market.
Like in UK we got US versions of some games because the UK versions failed QA, despite disc based emulation working 99% ok. That 1% matters to QA.
TheRealTalker
Banned
So the possiblity is there we just need to expand upon it
The examples you have cited are downloadable games. It is feasible that they would just let you boot PS2 discs, and there would be no requirement for publishers involvement whatsoever. There would be technical challenges involved, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.
The 360 situation on Xbox One I cited is not for downloadable games.
In what sense are MS charging people to play their old games again with their BC solution on Xbox One?
Quite simply if you own the disc pop it in your console, own it digitally then it appears in your queue. I'm not seeing anybody being charged.
In that case they aren't, but my post was in regards to previous content Microsoft has sold after emulation work being done.
Sony is also in a 'better' position to ignore completely what MS did on xbone, unfortunately. I hardly doubt psone/2 emulation will be disc based.
PensivePen
Member
Yes it is, the Xbox One doesn't run the games natively, it downloads a version of them and the disc is used as a confirmation key.
Based on what they've said, I don't think Xbox One BC is actually an emulator. It looks much more like binary translation that occurs once, and then the result is distributed with an OS compatibility layer. That means it's a derived work that is being distributed and needs a publisher's approval.
True disc-based emulation doesn't require redistributing the code.
The fact of the matter is that you put a physical retail disc into an Xbox One and get to play the game.
My original point stands (please read my post): publishers need to weigh in on the digital version of the game you are granted access to by the Xbox 360 > Xbox One "conversion."
Andrefpvs
Member
Ah! Gotcha, thanks for the explanation.
Still, you are basing your entire argument on the perception you got from Shu's words, since in no way did he ever exclude disc support or mention digital games only. In fact, to quote exactly the article you're probably referring to:
"And the easiest thing, technically, would be to make PSone games work on PS4 with emulation. But were not talking about our emulation plans as yet."
I don't see anything including or excluding discs there. Unless you can find a more specific quote than this one, it's perfectly legitimate that people are wondering whether disc-based BC will be included or not.
To be honest, the only valid argument I've read so far against disc-based support for emulation (assuming the emulators are near-perfect), is that Sony would rather have you re-purchase your games rather than letting you use your discs. Which people have also been discussing, since allowing discs to be used also has its marketing pros.
Oh, and apropos of nothing, there is a difference between 'discs' and 'disks'. I used to mix them up all the time too
Hostile_18
Banned
Having PS2 emulation for this game would make the new WWE games irrelevant! However, knowing Sony, I don't see them doing disc-based emulation.
Don't think they could sell this anymore due to the rights of characters involved. Starting with but not ending with Chris Benoit lol.
Ok......and what exactly does that have to do with me posting -
Did you quote the wrong person or something or randomly just feel like bringing up a point for no particular reason?
Sephiroth503
Member
If I could play Battlefront 2 and Timesplitters series on my PS4 I swear to God.......
Jeronimo Jones
Member
At first I was trying to understand why people were so excited about the potential, then I thought about the fact that my PS2 experience didn't start until somewhere around late 2002-2003.
I was in college and wasn't closely following new releases, so who knows all the cool games I missed? I'd be willing to download some of the classics to my library and play on PS4.
I was in college and wasn't closely following new releases, so who knows all the cool games I missed? I'd be willing to download some of the classics to my library and play on PS4.
True and like I said earlier this is likely to be limited to whatever games release as PS2 classics but it would be great to have everything PlayStation all accessible from one console. I'm not even bothered by added trophy support and the like, just the resolution upgrade would be fantastic.
that would be perfection. probably wont happen, at least for along while, for obvious reasons
pixelation
Member
Black bars ruin it for me, i'd like the option to stretch it out. Purists be damned.
SolidSnakex
Member
The only known games so far aside from those SW games are Dark Cloud 2, Twisted Metal Black, and Ape Escape 2. Those were rated earlier this year.
We know stuff like taking screenshots/video and streaming are available to these emulated games but do we know about any of the other features like Remote Play and Share Play? I'm particularly more curious about the latter because if Share Play is available to these titles then that means a bunch of multiplayer games released would, in some form, have online multiplayer. Which would be a pretty damn awesome for games like Crash Team Racing, Tekken 3, etc.