I want to meet him because he would actually be the only person on this site that actually bothers to read opening posts.
Should I blame BioWare because fans are obsessed with what Tali's suit smells like to the point where someone tried to use organic chemistry to describe the composition of her perspiration?![]()
It's how much the company leans into it. You can't control what people get obsessed about, but you can control how you react to it as the holder of the IP.
To use a RL example - a lot of Nick shows supposedly aimed at tweens that star and starred people like Victoria Justice or Ariana Grande had a lot of content in them that seemed to be well, not aimed at 10 year old girls. Now, it was nothing obvious, but anybody paying attention could see that the producers knew exactly what they were doing.
OTOH, Ariel Winter from Modern Family gets a lot of attention for a variety of reasons despite being underage. However, they don't blatantly focus on that in the show and instead, downplay her attractiveness and such.
My point is that if we were to do a deep dive on the show we could talk about lots of things from specific shots and the way characters are framed to the ways characters physically interact with each other to aspects of the plotting and "world" that all suggest the show's creators are aware of and not afraid to lean into pleasing a certain segment of their fanbase, no matter how broad the fanbase as a whole is. And given the specific topic of the show that conversation gets sort of tricky. Given how often this topic comes up I did finally go back and watch the first season of the show in its entirety just to refresh my vague four year old memories
It's how much the company leans into it. You can't control what people get obsessed about, but you can control how you react to it as the holder of the IP.
To use a RL example - a lot of Nick shows supposedly aimed at tweens that star and starred people like Victoria Justice or Ariana Grande had a lot of content in them that seemed to be well, not aimed at 10 year old girls. Now, it was nothing obvious, but anybody paying attention could see that the producers knew exactly what they were doing.
OTOH, Ariel Winter from Modern Family gets a lot of attention for a variety of reasons despite being underage. However, they don't blatantly focus on that in the show and instead, downplay her attractiveness and such.
Speaking about K-On specifically, the first season is a direct adaptation of the manga, which is why there are two random beach episodes for example. But even then, the first season has moments where they reference situations that would be fanservicey but are purposefully not shown to avoid fanservice (Mio's accident, for example).My point is that if we were to do a deep dive on the show we could talk about lots of things from specific shots and the way characters are framed and animate to the ways characters physically interact with each other to aspects of the plotting and "world" that all suggest the show's creators are aware of and not afraid to lean into pleasing a certain segment of their fanbase, no matter how broad the fanbase as a whole is. And given the specific topic of the show that conversation gets sort of tricky. Given how often this topic comes up I did finally go back and watch the first season of the show in its entirety just to refresh my vague four year old memories
what's the excuse for this thread? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=968855
It's how much the company leans into it. You can't control what people get obsessed about, but you can control how you react to it as the holder of the IP.
To use a RL example - a lot of Nick shows supposedly aimed at tweens that star and starred people like Victoria Justice or Ariana Grande had a lot of content in them that seemed to be well, not aimed at 10 year old girls. Now, it was nothing obvious, but anybody paying attention could see that the producers knew exactly what they were doing.
OTOH, Ariel Winter from Modern Family gets a lot of attention for a variety of reasons despite being underage. However, they don't blatantly focus on that in the show and instead, downplay her attractiveness and such.
Bingo. Some Nick shows have, in the past, come across as honestly really skeevy at times. The only reason they aren't a hotbed topic is because, well, if we're honest almost no-one on this forum gives two shits about them. But if this hypothetical Nick fanbase was concerned about member acquisition and wanted to talk about why people weren't jumping in that topic would probably be high on the list
This is actually a pretty good comparison. Comics in the 90s were offputting as fuck, and I say that as a kid who grew up in the 90sThe main problem is that the creepy weird stuff is what's making a lot of companies money, so that's what is front 'n' center. In a weird way, it's kind of the point actual comics were in the early to mid 90's. If you looked, there were plenty of great series, but the stuff that sold a bunch of copies and got mainstream attention was Lady Death or Witchblade or a cover where Psylocke's boobs were falling out, so the cliche of the well, Comic Book Guy took hold.
It took decades of PR by the comic companies plus the biggest comic book stores pushing back against that stereotype, including doing things like actually hiring female employees, pushing the weird statues to the back, and highlighting diverse titles for the idea of a the comic book shop to change, and even with all of that, a lot of places are still too close to Android Dungeon.
But unfortunately for anime fans, it seems unlikely that the 'moe' bubble will burst anytime soon like the speculation boom did for comic book shops.
Moe is part of fanservice. K-On! is a good example of this. It's not a show consumed mostly by young children as well. :/
This is actually a pretty good comparison. Comics in the 90s were offputting as fuck, and I say that as a kid who grew up in the 90s
A thread did exist about Nick shows under the guise of a Victorious OT, where there was a load of GIFs from the show and other celebrities (some of them being underaged even) showing skeevy elements of the show. And it was shut down twice because what was going on wasn't actually relevant to the show at hand.
They were called CreepyGAF and even hosted a tumblr site for the GIFs. The reason why no one talks about it is because it is banned.
But even then, you can't really judge comic books of the era based on a few titles.Honestly, I'd agree. I'd probably be more of a comic book fans, rather than someone just getting into it in recent years, if the comic books available in the 90s and early 2000s were a little more inviting.
the good thing is(was) he got banned appropriately for his sins
But even then, you can't really judge comic books of the era based on a few titles.
All of the heavy hitters, Bendis, Rucka, etc, were writing their own indie books back in the 90s/2000s before they went to Marvel/DC and most of those books had nothing to do with showing showing girls in skimpy costumes or whatever.
K-on does not fit your definition of fanservice, it provides moe, but that's because it emphasizes cuteness, anyone who has actually seen k-on can attest to this, its purely all about the characters
But even then, you can't really judge comic books of the era based on a few titles.
All of the heavy hitters, Bendis, Rucka, etc, were writing their own indie books back in the 90s/2000s before they went to Marvel/DC and most of those books had nothing to do with showing showing girls in skimpy costumes or whatever.
That kinda proves the point. There was a thread for the Nick shows that leaned heavily on well, things that their tween audience didn't care about, but on the other hand, there was no long thread with inappropriate gifs about say, High School Musical, despite both shows shows aimed at tweens or young teenagers that were full of attractive people looking attractive.
But even then, you can't really judge comic books of the era based on a few titles.
All of the heavy hitters, Bendis, Rucka, etc, were writing their own indie books back in the 90s/2000s before they went to Marvel/DC and most of those books had nothing to do with showing showing girls in skimpy costumes or whatever.
That's when all those awesome Vertigo books were running too.
Part of that is just having someone introduce you to stuff. It would be like going into a music store (do they even exist in 2015?) as a kid and being asked to find music you like without any frame of reference. Maybe you jumped into the Dubstep section of the store when someone should have shown you where the Beatles CDs were kept.Well it was nothing to do with sexualisation for me as a kid and more to do with the weirdness and out-there qualities. I remember none specifically I just remember flipping open books while at the shops and being very confused.
The rise of the indie, starting with Image and fake-indie like Vertigo, was probably responsible for making comic books (and not comic book bullshit like Marvel/DC-proper) relevant.That's when all those awesome Vertigo books were running too.
If someone gets into video games right now, they would think the entire audience is full of psychopaths because outside of Minecraft and some Nintendo games, the top selling games are all about shooting people in the face or stabbing them in the neck.Right. I knew that and you knew that, but if some random person walked into a local comic book shop, unfortunately, they probably saw a bunch of posters of Witchblade or Psylocke in a bikini, a bunch of bad Image comics trying to out-Jim Lee Jim Lee, and so on ,and so forth. Just like if somebody tries to get into anime right now, they have to first get past a lot of stuff that even if it's innocent, is not seen innocently by a bunch of weirdoes and since those weirdoes have lots of cash to spend, the various anime companies make lots of merch for them.
Part of that is just having someone introduce you to stuff. It would be like going into a music store (do they even exist in 2015?) as a kid and being asked to find music you like without any frame of reference. Maybe you jumped into the Dubstep section of the store when someone should have shown you where the Beatles CDs were kept.
Yeah, smears. But one can overdo smears, like any other animation technique. I think anime in general uses it as a crutch way too much to excuse not wanting to actually animate something moving.
But the "character acting" in animation - anything without motion capture anyway - isn't actually acting. It's portraying an emotion but no one's acting it out aside from the voice actor. I'm being finicky I know, but I consider anime no more acted out than a manga. The real meat and potatos, and probably why I prefer anime dubbed, is the voice acting. That drives it home for me, not big bubbly tears or the transition in and out of a pose. I say that because without context and without it explicitly being a gag series it can sometimes be hard to tell if a character is actually upset or just pretending to be upset (y'know, when a character is whining) from the visuals alone. Manga sorts this out with accompanying text, but losing voice acting anime can lose the ability to have something "acted" out purely look as it's presented. If you get what I mean.
Also, you remembered I've watched Space Dandy. Didn't expect that. I liked that show
Yeah, I think that sometimes comes down to the genre of what's presented. Like you can get some amazingly smooth sequences in action series that just can't be present in the west. The closest is probably the surreal stuff in series like Gumball.
When you say "who", do you mean the studio or the individual? Cause if it's studio, I concur. It'd be nice if Japanese studios kind of mixed it up.
Indeed they have. Back in the '40s the FPS count was usually well below 20 though, and action needed to be presented in a way that visually made sense despite the limitations of the time.
Without going to deep into this tangent, as family friendly as K-on is on a textual level there are stylistic elements and general choices that, given what I've seen of how a certain segment of the fanbase responds, were not part of the show naively. Is it some kind of example of perverted anime trash? No absolutely not. But it is worth a critical discussion.
A) It's something we'd probably have to go on a show by show basis (when its used well vs. when its used poorly) but overall, I'd say smears are probably underutilized if anything.
Smears is something I also occasionally find in a bathroom stall.
A) It's something we'd probably have to go on a show by show basis (when its used well vs. when its used poorly) but overall, I'd say smears are probably underutilized if anything.
B) Body language is a fundamental part of acting. This is true in live action acting and this is true in animation as well. "Anime isn't any more acted than manga" is a statement that doesn't make any sense to me - especially if you are someone who puts the voice component of acting above all. I think this is just a fundamental disagreement here between you and me.
C) When I say "who" I mean on a person to person basis. Most anime employs a lot of freelance work so you get animators doing work for a variety of different studios. With enough experience, you can totally recognize when particular cuts are done by particular people. It's also part of the reason why the staff list of a project is usually more important than the studio. Case in point, One Punch Man (Studio Madhouse) is being animated by A LOT of people who worked on Space Dandy (Studio BONES).
What about when Punisher showed up in Archie? lolI could still pick up an Archie or a Sonic though and be perfectly fine. Gotta love Archie's Sonic.
What about when Punisher showed up in Archie? lol
Hell, there's zombie Archie now and it's one of their bigger titles.
I guess my larger point is that you can't really ascribe anything to a medium based on what you perceive to be the biggest representative of the medium.
The majority of animated television shows are 2D. It's still incredibly prominent in animation education, If the US were to give up on 2D, then that wouldn't be the case. 3D on the other hand, is much more viable for a feature film because it would be a waste of money to develop a huge film on par with Disney's production compared to making a show because it wouldn't sell as well as a CGI film which emulates a 2D style.The US has pretty much given up on 2D.
Western animation follows a lot more of the important principles so yes. Especially when you get to 3D films where the movement completely outclasses Eastern animation. I just watched Inside Out on Bluray yesterday and the amount of nuance in the character animation is phenomenal. There's also the teeny little fact that western animation draws from life near constantly while eastern animation tends to be inspired by...other anime/manga instead of life. Which also leads to a shit ton more homogenization and repeating tropes, (so many fucking highschool settings and multicolored hair characters with sameface syndrome). So fuck yea, western animation is the better option despite the cherry picked shots where a specific animator is given all the credit on a shot with a large amount of budget dedicated to that shot with the rest of the episode looking relatively lifeless and holy shit they still ignore lip sync in the majority of eastern animation....
Not sure what to say.
Whatever, if you think western animation is better that's fine.
the good thing is(was) he got banned appropriately for his sins
Eh, I like anime and geeky stuff.
I do hate hardcore Otakus and their inability to accept reality. Shit like this
M'waifu
Eh, I like anime and geeky stuff.
I do hate hardcore Otakus and their inability to accept reality. Shit like this
M'waifu
I'm ok with this. Most mainstreamed "nerd communities" are whitewashed and boring as hell
Anime/Manga communities have had more than their fair share of whitewashing,and not just in the appropriation department.
Its actually sort of interesting to me, because I think the "mainstreaming" elsewhere is largely as a result of the inevitable way that the internet has changed communication. Is anime really immune to the same thing? Or is the shift just a few further years off?The mainstreaming of American/British comic books and zombies and whatever the fuck geek culture has been awful enough for the rest of us. We don't need to have anime and manga everywhere too.
If it can be developed into successful television shows and movies, it's an inevitability. Preexisting source material with ready made fan bases are valuable commodities for content makers. I don't think there's an immunity, rather it's simply not happened yet.Its actually sort of interesting to me, because I think the "mainstreaming" elsewhere is largely as a result of the inevitable way that the internet has changed communication. Is anime really immune to the same thing? Or is the shift just a few further years off?
Jeez, I hope anime doesn't become as popular in the mainstream as the other geek stuff is. Marvel properties already make up like 90% of movies and TV. If anime based stuff starts getting a bunch of movies and TV shows in the US, there'll be no money left to make stuff meant for adults.
It's a shame that people will gladly ignore masterpieces such as Berserk, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and Yamato 2199 because they fear they'll be labeled nerds if they might like anime.
Its actually sort of interesting to me, because I think the "mainstreaming" elsewhere is largely as a result of the inevitable way that the internet has changed communication. Is anime really immune to the same thing? Or is the shift just a few further years off?