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Nice. Sony and PlayStation 4 dominating.

On a side note, am I the only one who thinks that Sony should drop the price of the PS3 to $100? PS3 is around 85m or so and if I was Sony, I would definitely take a loss if it means the console can hit 100m worldwide. Imagine four generation consoles all hitting the 100m mark? That would just continue with Sony and PlayStation making history as they continue on.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Congrats Sony, now please take more risks in developing new IP's and bring in more exclusive games because the last thing I played on my PS4 was Until Dawn and before it, Bloodborne.

Dreams is literally the most inventive game I see coming out in 2016 (well, hopefully 2016) and easily up there w/ some of the more creative output they had near the end of PS3, and PS2 and PS1.

Same with Tomorrow Children and Horizon. And even Detroit (I hate that title tho). The latter two probably won't make it out in 2016 tho.

Given they don't have the huge losses they had early on with the 360 like RROD, and that Live launch aligned is much more active, and they have microtransactions in nearly all of their 1st party titles, yeah it probably is much more profitable than the 360 was in the same time frame.

That said, no doubt they are disappointed in sales, hence them no longer providing hardware shipment numbers anymore.

I just try to block that part out. That's going to end up being a poison to the industry.

 

[ethomaz]

It's even behind PS3 in some areas.

I'm pretty sure PS4 have way more feature than PS3... cool and useful features... way more.

 

[kadotsu]

I'm pretty sure PS4 have way more feature than PS3... cool and useful features... way more.

But does it have printer support?



Check and mate.

 

[slavesnyder]

It's even behind PS3 in some areas.

For example by not having a good remote control.

 

[Acquiescence]

Congrats to PS4! Following in the footsteps of its granddad hardware, "The Two".

Btw, we updated the bingo chart!

"Why was Zhuge banned?" Lol. I'm still asking that myself.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

I don't know what people want. IMO, 90% of the audience wants to start the last game they played. The other 10% of features is available on hundreds of other devices priced $30 up.

While I appreciate the ability to pull statistics out of thin air, let's talk facts: what about bluetooth support for headsets? What about a basic ability to sort/organize content? etc. I mean, I'm not even asking for media player support as I only care about netflix/amazon and don't own any digital movies in a NAS device or anything like that, but you can't deny the fact that the PS3 did some things that the PS4 still doesn't. Which is silly. Is it a deal breaker? No. Nobody is asking for a GPS on the PS4.

I don't know why some people take factual criticism against companies as something personal. ethomaz said "way ahead" I said "behind in some areas", and there you go off on a tangent about... what exactly?

I'm pretty sure PS4 have way more feature than PS3... cool and useful features... way more.

I'm sure it does. But I'm not talking about number of features. You said it's way ahead. It's also lacking stuff that PS3 OS had.

Anyway, sorry for the derail. This is sales thread, I just wanted to respond to that one comment.

 

[Taurus]

We had Nintendo fans predicting PS4 and X1 would bomb because Wii U had bombed.

How wrong they where.

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

8th gen market leader will sell less than 7th gen leader.
8th gen 2nd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 2nd place console.
8th gen 3rd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 3rd place console.

I'm not gonna talk about handhelds here, but I can tell you it's not pretty.

 

[ethomaz]

But does it have printer support?



Check and mate.

I missed this awesome gaming feature last gen

 

[borghe]

For example by not having a good remote control.

HDMI-CEC is your friend. Between a receiver (and/or TV) and one of those remotes (or a programmed universal) it makes a dedicated remote worthless. I was one of those clamoring the loudest for a dedicated remote, and shrugged when the one was just released..

 

[Spaceking]

Congrats to PS4! Following in the footsteps of its granddad hardware, "The Two".

Btw, we updated the bingo chart!

OMG That's hilarious!

 

[Soi-Fong]

Good for Sony overall. That's a big potential user base for Playstation VR next year.

Can only mean good things for the medium!

 

[prwxv3]

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

8th gen market leader will sell less than 7th gen leader.
8th gen 2nd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 2nd place console.
8th gen 3rd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 3rd place console.

I'm not gonna talk about handhelds here, but I can tell you it's not pretty.

Well of course there will be a drop because of the Wii. The casuals are gone. And that is Nintendo's problem not Sony's or Microsofts.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

common core math .. its the future....

It was a joke.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

8th gen market leader will sell less than 7th gen leader.
8th gen 2nd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 2nd place console.
8th gen 3rd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 3rd place console.

I'm not gonna talk about handhelds here, but I can tell you it's not pretty.

I would not be surprised to see PS4 outsell the Wii.

 

[Inuhanyou]

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

8th gen market leader will sell less than 7th gen leader.
8th gen 2nd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 2nd place console.
8th gen 3rd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 3rd place console.

I'm not gonna talk about handhelds here, but I can tell you it's not pretty.

What does that have to do with PS4 and XB1's current sales?

 

[Mahonay]

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

8th gen market leader will sell less than 7th gen leader.
8th gen 2nd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 2nd place console.
8th gen 3rd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 3rd place console.

I'm not gonna talk about handhelds here, but I can tell you it's not pretty.

What evidence are you basing this off?

Only one that's very clearly going to sell less at this point is the 3rd place Wii U, but that's already been accepted as pretty much dead in the water.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

What does that have to do with PS4 and XB1's current sales?

Consoles are doomed...

 

[Heimbeck]

I would not be surprised to see PS4 outsell the Wii U.

I would be shocked if this happens, Wii U is clearly an unstoppable beast.

 

[benny_a]

But the console industry market is shrinking. Why is anyone confused?

Maybe the place to bring this up is the wrong one, because it's not the fault of PlayStation because they keep rocking it. It's the other ones that don't know how to make a desirable product.

 

[J-Rzez]

Well this gen was decided before it began, the fact that Sony basically didn't have any of its big first party support and MS having it's big guns not making a difference solidifies this. The better price, the better hardware, and MS committing generational suicide on stage won.

Now we will start to finally see some first party support from Sony will be nice. I wouldn't expect loads of it though as I'm sure they were dumping a lot of R&D in VR at this point so despite their financial victories of late they'll still have to play a balancing act in budget.

Now the interesting thing left to me is speculation of next gen. Do we see new hardware in 3 years? Since Sony found out they can make money on hardware as well as software, will we start shifting into cellphone world with faster hardware updates? I can only hope so. Last gens hardware really outstayed it's welcome.

 

[TheOMan]

Just curious...whose in GAF have more than one PS4 in his home ?

I have 2. A couple friends of mine also have 2 as well.

Fun fact - my PS4s have increased in value since I purchased them because of the weak Canadian dollar. This also means buying new games is now closing in on 100 dollars. Yay.

 

[prwxv3]

But the console industry market is shrinking. Why is anyone confused?

Maybe the place to bring this up is the wrong one, because it's not the fault of PlayStation because they keep rocking it. It's the other ones that don't know how to make a desirable product.

This. Its not Sony's problem. They are doing fine for themselves.

 

[IAmRandom31]

With all the first party titles hitting next year and VR hitting it may be a good time to invest in Sony lol. Going to be huge profits next year.

Hopefully enough to pour 200 mill into that internall JRPG !!

 

[benny_a]

This. Its not Sony's problem. They are doing fine for themselves.

For the industry it would have been even better if PS4 isn't just retaining their base but also expanded in all direction.

They didn't single-handedly reverse any trends. They are just the most unscathed crash victim.

I would say the biggest problem is for publishers, but the mega ones have figured it out how to monetize this shrinking base effectively.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

But the console industry market is shrinking. Why is anyone confused?

Maybe the place to bring this up is the wrong one, because it's not the fault of PlayStation because they keep rocking it. It's the other ones that don't know how to make a desirable product.

Unlike last gen, less people are going to invest in 2 consoles when you have to pay 50-60$/year for 2/3 consoles.

 

[Josh378]

Bold prediction, ps4 will sell over 120 million before its end of its lifetime. I'm willing to bet on that.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

8th gen market leader will sell less than 7th gen leader.
8th gen 2nd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 2nd place console.
8th gen 3rd place console will sell a lot less than 7th gen 3rd place console.

I'm not gonna talk about handhelds here, but I can tell you it's not pretty.

What are you basing this off of?

Because at this rate I see the market leader selling between PS1 and PS2, and the 2nd place system possibly selling only a little less than 7th gen 2nd place (PS3, 82 million).

And that could be either NX or XBO.

 

[Taurus]

Well of course there will be a drop because of the Wii. The casuals are gone. And that is Nintendo's problem not Sony's or Microsofts.

Wii owners bought same amount of games, about 9 games per console, which is about the same attach ratio than other market leader consoles had, for example PS1 and PS2.

Wii attracted all kinds of gamers, which every succeeding console has done before. Saying Wii succeeded "because casuals" is ignorance.

Also, Xbox One will sell less than Xbox 360 did.

 

[LegendofLex]

This. Its not Sony's problem. They are doing fine for themselves.

It becomes Sony's problem when they run out of disgruntled Xbox/core Nintendo fans to cannibalize and their own install bases don't keep buying consoles forever.

 

[reKon]

Uncharted 4 is going to blow this shit open lmao. Braces yourselves. And I'm not talking in terms of sales in a short period after, but overall brand and collection of system defining games. It's good for a console to have a few of those: Smash for Nintendo Wii U, Halo for Xbox, etc...

Spoiler

it will probably just cause a small bump as I think the majority of the sales are happening this holiday season with the price dropdowns and bundles

 

[CosmicQueso]

Consoles are doomed...

On a long enough time scale, everything is doomed. Live for the now.

There will be a massive drop in total home console install base compared to last gen.

So what.

It's called consolidation.

There's also been a massive drop in the number of developers, publishers, retail space, titles published.

Total spending for gaming continues to grow, the console space is now just more of a core niche.

Games are still getting made, people are still buying shiny new boxes. MAUs are everywhere. Life goes on.

Damn I didn't know Cosmic is here, then I wouldn't have posted serious.

benny_a - you make interesting posts!

 

[wolfhowwl]

Thanks for trying. I'm on my phone so I can't. I did remember it was something stating that console market was going to crash because Wiiu failed, pretty hilarious.

?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=771821

 

[Apathy]

I have 2. A couple friends of mine also have 2 as well.

Fun fact - my PS4s have increased in value since I purchased them because of the weak Canadian dollar. This also means buying new games is now closing in on 100 dollars. Yay.

*high five*

Yup, I'm a savvy investor too playing the console market.

 

[CMojicaAce]

Congrats to PS4! Following in the footsteps of its granddad hardware, "The Two".

Btw, we updated the bingo chart!

Oh man, I remember that "by a nose" thread lmao.

 

[benny_a]

Damn I didn't know Cosmic is here, then I wouldn't have posted serious.

 

[Plague Doctor]

YouTube, Netflix, Blu-ray... Games don't exist on PS4.

PS4 has no games...

Spoiler

that are exclusive.... developed as first party titles.... focused exclusively to a western audience.... and are big budget.... that I personally like.

There. That's as accurate as we can make that line of thinking.

OMG That's hilarious!

Rymuth did good work.

"Why was Zhuge banned?" Lol. I'm still asking that myself.

I think its kind of a touchy subject from the people in the know. Something about a self imposed ban. idk.

Oh man, I remember that "by a nose" thread lmao.

That was a hell of a quote.

 

[VanWinkle]

Very impressive. Congrats to Sony. I'm sure they're happy.

 

[Beefy]

"Fair weather buyers"? Wii console sales were at their height during the height of the recession.

Wii was crazy. My mum bought a Wii and has never had a console in her life.

 

[benny_a]

Wii was crazy. My mum bought a Wii and has never had a console on her life.

Show her Knack. She will be hooked, guaranteed.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

Well deserved, it's been my most played console for the past year and a half.

Still salty about the lack of online friend notifications though.

 

[Taurus]

So what.

It's called consolidation.

There's also been a massive drop in the number of developers, publishers, retail space, titles published.

Total spending for gaming continues to grow, the console space is now just more of a core niche.

Games are still getting made, people are still buying shiny new boxes. Life goes on.

Did you even read what I was replying to? Read this message: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=186762080#post186762080

When Wii U launched and people saw how much the game console market had changed (handhelds and home consoles) many predicted that console market will contract HARD. This is happening right now, as many have already predicted.

One successful console vs four selling-less-than-their-predecessors doesn't sound like console market is doing too hot.

Total spending for gaming continues to grow because publishers have found ways to monetize the shrinking console install base. $60 season passes etc. might be cool in someone's opinion.

 

[le.phat]

30 million eh? Looks like i'm going to have to keep this boring console :[

 

[Glorified G]

What does that have to do with PS4 and XB1's current sales?

You'll notice a pattern if you look at the previous PS4 record worldwide sold through thread and the upcoming thread down the line. Some people are not shy of hiding their agenda, which is strange because it makes their posts really transparent.

 

[platocplx]

I don't know what people want. IMO, 90% of the audience wants to start the last game they played. The other 10% of features is available on hundreds of other devices priced $30 up.

And there it is. So many ways to do it dont understand where people clamor for some of those features especially when possibly the cost to develop and implement may take away and takeaway from the overall experience they are trying to sell. Which pretty much is gaming and sharing your gaming content easily. Which i believe they have hit out the park. The DLNA, etc features can be had in so many other devices, i like the approach Sony has taken with the console the sharing features are awesome and its nice as hell now where you can just jump right back into the last game played, Stream your games, SharePlay, Edit your gaming content with sharefactory etc. a lot to like.

 

[TheStruggler]

 

[Mahonay]

Wii owners bought same amount of games, about 9 games per console, which is about the same attach ratio than other market leader consoles had, for example PS1 and PS2.

Wii attracted all kinds of gamers, which every succeeding console has done before. Saying Wii succeeded "because casuals" is ignorance.

Also, Xbox One will sell less than Xbox 360 did.

The Wii dropped off hard at the latter end of it's cycle (clearly suggesting a cooling off in the wider market), while the 360 and PS3 kept pushing decent numbers.

If the PS4 can avoid falling off a cliff it should be able to have a decent chance to push past the Wii's lifetime numbers.

Wii wasn't solely a casual market, but a very large percentage of sales went to people that don't normally buy consoles every cycle.

 

[Anuson.Phan]

now if only it had games to play on..



































Just playing. Congrats PlayStation.

 

[CosmicQueso]

When Wii U launched and people saw how much the game console market had changed (handhelds and home consoles) many predicted that console market will contract HARD.

The contraction started about 2 years prior to the launch of the Wii U, actually. The contraction was severe and painful, yes.

This is happening right now, as many have already predicted.

See, this is incorrect as well, as there's good news. The contraction is over. Title count, pub count, developer count and retail software sales will be flat to slightly up vs 2014. The pullback is done. The only question is whether the market ever gets back to growth or if the current annual sales volume is the new normal (it's probably the new normal).

One successful console vs four selling-less-than-their-predecessors doesn't sound like console market is doing too hot.

There are two doing well, actually. One doing much better than the other. And the NX could take it back to 3. Then we have VR, perhaps console refreshes, perhaps some consolidation between Xbox and PC, a lot of crazy unknowns that will make things in 5 years very different than they are today. Not one person in the world knows what the result of all this change will actually be.

Total spending for gaming continues to grow because publishers have found ways to monetize the shrinking console install base. $60 season passes etc. might be cool in someone's opinion.

Well, people are buying a lot of those things, so someone wants them. Maybe they're not hip and cool. Maybe they don't wear sunglasses inside. DIfferent strokes and all that.

 

[reKon]

The focus on sharing, audio jack on the controllers, and the very fast multitasking with simple UI layout were all brilliant.

The big things that they could have improved on were obviously the controller quality, PSN quality, and the console CPU.

None of these things have particularly bothered me though because my launch controllers are still flawless, I haven't had any serious issues with PSN, and I haven't played a PS4 with poor performance yet