Baemono
Member
Mario Wonder released in 2023, New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe Super Edition Mid Game released in 2018, Wonder is catching up pretty fast
Switch 2 sold 5.82 million units worldwide in june 2025 (UP: Global sell-through sits at 6M units in 7 weeks )
Robb
Gold Member
I think DS and Wii were perfectly fine as a revival of the 2D titles back then. NSMB DS (2006) was the first new 2D entry since 1992 iirc. And the multiplayer in Wii felt very fresh at the time imo.
After those it kinda went downhill though.. Both in terms of style/visuals and new ideas/gimmicks.
Mozza
Member
Not sure if you are being serious. I would suggest the 15 million figure was very conservative. And more of an indication of how many units Nintendo knew they could produce. 11 million would only happen if Nintendo have overestimated their initial production estimates.
Mozza
Member
Price issue based on what evidence?. Or are we still taking the faux outrage in niche internet sites and YouTube seriously. With of course the old anecdotal evidence of. Everybody I know personally thinks the Switch 2 is too expensive..... Thrown in for good measure.
SenkiDala
Member
I kinda agree with him, I feel that for now everybody who wanted one already bought it, I don't feel any hype for the product, Mario Kart is a great game but it's not a system seller, and Donkey Kong seems great but he isn't Mario or Pokémon, it's like Kirby, it's nice but it doesn't sell systems (it's not my tastes it's just what I feel : personally DK is my favorite Nintendo character of all time).
For people who'll tell me "but MK9 sold dozens of millions", sure, but for me it's the Switch that sold MK9 and not otherwise. The proof is on an unpopullar Wii U it flopped, on the Switch, who everybody bought for the awesome gimmick (play handheld and on TV with the same device), people were searching for games, popular family games : the first to come in mind is MK9, so everybody buy MK9.
Now... The Switch 2 has 2 huge weaknesses :
- The Switch 1 still exists, gets huge supports for publishers, and it'll continue for AT LEAST 3 years, minimum (might be during 5+ years), most of games still releases on Switch 1.
- THE FUCKING PRICE, I dunno in USA but in EU, 430 alone and 500 with MKW. In fact EVERYBODY who I knew and wanted one day one, gave up the idea when they heard about the price. VS 270 for the Switch 1 normal and 320 for the OLED... So 430 is very expensive and nobody wants to pay this to have the "new cool toy" especially when the 1... still does the same and has 95% of the games.
For me at a point, Nintendo will have to drop the prices, of both Switch 1 and 2. I don't see the consumer adoption becoming huge.
Conversations I have with gamers I know (people buying +30 games per year), before the announce of the price "yeah sure, day fucking ONE !" after the announce of the price "well it's too expensive and anyway the original Switch still plays well and is sufficient as a side machine" for 90% of gamers a Nintendo machine is a side machine, not the main one,
Mozza
Member
Well not really as customers have a choice. And the bundle is a pretty sweet deal.. To judge a wider pushback on the physical versions price. You would have to see the sales with no bundle available.
Robb
Gold Member
Seems very anecdotal.
What is your expectation for each upcoming quarter (Q2-Q4)?
I'll quote
Luminoth-4545
nice charts for reference:Switch 2 Hardware
Switch (1) Global Shipment History (millions)
I expect the Pokemon Legends bundle will sell out during the holidays (Q3), and they'll sell above 5M in that quarter alone.
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POKEYCLYDE
Member
Guess we will see what the numbers end up being in March of 2026.
Mozza
Member
Now the Switch 2 is a hard-core console. Guess not the hard -core people old on here who seem to hate it. And never miss an opportunity to drop poison in every Switch 2 thread.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You're out here talking like it was $800. It's $450, within the price range of every other console. Hell, the PS5 and Series consoles have even increased in price in several regions over the past few years.
Kikorin
Member
People online and in hardcore forum like this especially tend to confuse their own hype for a mainstream sentiment. You can see in threads where people ask Nintendo to release Metroid Prime 4 to convince them buying a Switch 2 (a game that sadly will struggle to sell 2m in its full life cycle), or citing Zelda as the only worth Nintendo exclusive (a series that has never been big compared to other before BOTW), completely in opposite from what sales data suggests. You don't even have a official OT for Mario Party, and is one of the biggest Nintendo series in real world.
In some degree is the same for PS5, where lot of people were considering struggling because of no games, and then the last data shown it sold in the last quarter more than it did a year ago.
In some degree is the same for PS5, where lot of people were considering struggling because of no games, and then the last data shown it sold in the last quarter more than it did a year ago.
ecosse_011172
Banned
Not in a million years.
I have no idea why people fixate on price like this, have people stopped buying endless iPhones even though they cost a kidney?
As for Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong have no mainstream appeal?
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Baemono
Member
while I agree with you, the iPhone argument isn't a good one, an iPhone does much more than just playing games.
Like comparing the price of a car and a watch, you wouldn't (or shouldn't) buy a watch that costs more than a car
ecosse_011172
Banned
What it does isn't the point, the point is that if the product properly clicks with the public, then the price becomes much less important.
Woopah
Member
But Mario Kart 8 wasn't a flop on the Wii U. It sold over 8 million units (more than Double Dash and Super Circuit and nearly as much as the original.)
MK is absolutely a system seller, but systems need multiple system sellers.
Has anyone else noticed Switch 2s sitting on store shelves along with being available for same day in store pickup or 2-3 day delivery for over a week straight now?
Japan is also the only region with weekly sales reports. And the numbers from there are showing that supply is available for walk in purchases, with weekly sales being lower than the previous week for several weeks in a row.
The Switch 2 has supposedly broken 6.1 million in a insanely short period of time, but has it already met market demand from diehards and must now sell to the average joe to keep up the trend? It's likely it will sell out in 3 months or so when holiday shopping pick up. But it doesn't look like it's going to be anywhere near the Wii or Switch 1 were it was difficult to get for over a year.
Japan is also the only region with weekly sales reports. And the numbers from there are showing that supply is available for walk in purchases, with weekly sales being lower than the previous week for several weeks in a row.
The Switch 2 has supposedly broken 6.1 million in a insanely short period of time, but has it already met market demand from diehards and must now sell to the average joe to keep up the trend? It's likely it will sell out in 3 months or so when holiday shopping pick up. But it doesn't look like it's going to be anywhere near the Wii or Switch 1 were it was difficult to get for over a year.
Baemono
Member
There were considerably less Wii and Switch at launch as they were following a historical flop for Nintendo each time (Game Cube and Wii U)
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The Wii was released mid November 2006 and sold through all stock in that six or so weeks for 3.5 Million in 2006, with constantly weekly sales of 200-250K with spikes of over a million for period where stock was held back for the holiday season in 2007 leading to over 16 million that year.
The Switch on the other hand was released in March so it had almost ten months in it's first year and sold over 16.5 million in 2017. And it had steady 180K per week sales with spikes at launch and during stock hold backs.
Nintendo has done an excellent job with making the Switch 2 available for purchase. But we'll see what happens with supply as this may be the first time a console has met demand so early in its life. It's very likely manufacturing orders will be scaled down in the coming months.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Nintendo is dead, I guess.
blacktout
Member
You're free to speculate about whether the availability of Switch 2 in the US is a function of high supply or low demand, but this paragraph is completely false.
The Switch 2 is heavily supply-constrained in Japan, so the number reported by Famitsu each week is a function of how many units Nintendo made available for purchase and tells you nothing about demand for the console in the region. So if you see fewer Switch 2s sold one week than the last, that just means Nintendo shipped fewer Switch 2s that week.
LordOcidax
Member
The Switch 2 still selling by a lottery in Japan… What are you talking about?
Chukhopops
Member
It will help that Z-A is getting really positive previews and might get excellent reviews (at least the Switch 2 version).Seems very anecdotal.
What is your expectation for each upcoming quarter (Q2-Q4)?
I'll quote
I expect the Pokemon Legends bundle will sell out during the holidays (Q3), and they'll sell above 5M in that quarter alone.
I'll never understand the complaints about the Switch 2 price, expensive compared to what exactly?
For the price of a 256GB S2 you can get a 256GB LCD Steam Deck, a great product but strictly inferior hardware wise, especially the screen and bulkiness factor. You also don't get a dock or a basic controller for that price.
Anything cheaper will be significantly less powerful and anything more powerful will be way more expensive, bulkier and imo outside of "portable" territory.
Right now it doesn't look like the Switch 2 is particularly overpriced or underpowered compared to its competition.
Robb
Gold Member
It won't hurt, but I'm not sure the majority of Pokemon players even care. Scarlett/Violet is the worst reviewed mainline title ever (?) and it's not only the best selling entry on Switch, but also the second best selling mainline entry in the entire franchise - only behind Red/Blue.
I think the bundle will do the heavy lifting. I expect that thing is going to fly off shelves.
MisterXDTV
Member
What competition?
It sells so well because it's a product with no competition just like the Switch 1
Nobody else is selling a portable console with an HDMI out
Unless you want to count SteamDeck (that runs PC games, it's not a console) that most of the world doesn't even know that exist.... LOL
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Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
I kind of do count the Steam Deck, even though I know it's no contest. I love both systems.
Mozza
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Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
POKEYCLYDE
Member
A bundle is $800 CDN.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And this addresses my post how?
POKEYCLYDE
Member
You said I'm talking as if the Switch 2 is $800... it quite literally is $800 for me. The Switch 1 released in 2017 for I believe $400 CDN. Which was at least $100 cheaper than the PS5 or Series X launch price.
The Switch was seen as a less expensive option comparatively. $200 cheaper if compared to the PS5 with a disc drive.
NOW the Switch 2 is the most expensive console on the market outside of the PS5 Pro. You are closing your eyes pretending like past price expectations don't play a role in how this console is going to sell. It's not as powerful as a PS5 or Series X but it wants to charge as if it is.
I was day 1 for the Switch. So was my girlfriend. Neither of us want the Switch 2. It's a waste of money currently.
Chukhopops
Member
I bought the Steam Deck at launch and it replaced my Switch 1 for a while, I even bought the JSAUX dock to plug the Deck on a TV (works really well, although you can't really switch outputs while playing).
To me they have similar targets and use cases even though they have different libraries (and one is vastly more mainstream than the other).
Which bundle? As far as I can see the official price for the Mario Kart bundle is still $699.
Baemono
Member
For its technical limitations, but the game itself is way more fun than Sword/Shield
Neither does Nintendo though
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
NSMB U is the best game in the 'New' franchise by a country mile. Some people genuinely put it up alongside Mario Bros 3 and World in terms of feel, level design and challenge. The thing that drags it down is the soundtrack.
The NSMB U Luigi DLC is also fantastic.
I enjoyed Wonder but I didn't feel it was worthy of the ridiculous pre release hype it got. A good but not great game to me but then again I feel the same about Odyssey and Bananza which got crazy reviews and online buzz.
SNES - Wii U was Nintendo's golden era imo and they're by far my favourite hardware manufacturer and I still buy everything they do first party wise on day one.
Cyberpunkd
Member
They are clearly holding Switch 1 price high to make people opt for Switch 2 instead - regular Switch being 270€ is highway robbery. If you have a family with multiple kids the best deal right now bar none is to get used Switch Lite which you can get for 100-120€ a piece.
I don't see Nintendo ever dropping the Switch 1 price, they clearly want people to go for Switch 2 now, otherwise they would have dropped Switch Lite new copies to something like 129€ for Christmas and made a killing.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
"Mario Kart isn't a system seller"
Mario Kart World single handedly proceeds to propel a new console to become the fastest selling gaming hardware in history lol.
Robb
Gold Member
I enjoyed both but still felt the overall artstyle, music style etc. had been very played out by that point.
The acorn power-up didn't really feel like anything new. Neither did the baby-Yoshi's. And the GamePad integration was pretty awful and barely even usable in multiplayer.
A fresh coat of paint and some more interesting mechanics would've gone a long way for me. Level-design was great from what I remember, in the Luigi DLC especially.
Vaquilla
Member
Switch 1 was less powerful than the PS4, yet sold more than PS4 at the same price point.
The mass market doesn't care about graphical performance nearly as much as you might think.
POKEYCLYDE
Member
Did you miss the part where the Switch 1 was half the price of a Switch 2? Less power at a cheaper price is a fair compromise. Less power at a more expensive price point is ludicrous.
Vaquilla
Member
Switch 1 cost the same as a PS4, now Switch 2 costs around the same as a PS5, so no real change, relatively.
$450 USD is not at all excessive in a world where the console standard has been $500 for years.
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Robb
Gold Member
But is that even true?
Base Switch (1) MSRP was CAD$400 in 2017, adjusted for inflation that's CAD$500 today.
Base Switch 2 MSRP is CAD$630.
So CAD$130 more when adjusted for inflation, CAD$230 more when not.
Neither of which is double the Switch (1) price.
Topher
Identifies as young
Even before Switch 2, Mario Kart 8 sold nearly 69 million units on Switch 1. Seems like some systems were sold along the way
Topher
Identifies as young
Are you talking about Switch Lite?
CuteFaceJay
Member
I beg they release a Pokemon master collection during the 30th because I'm not even hyped for ZA
ecosse_011172
Banned
MisterXDTV
Member
Yes it does
Nintendo used to sell a home console AND a portable console. Now they sell just a portable console that can be hooked to the TV (with upclocks)
It's still a portable console though
Gambit2483
Member
Except it's not a "shit screen" unless you think any and every screen is automatically a "shit screen" if it's not an OLED. The overwhelming majority of Switch 2 owners say that it's a great screen for being "not an OLED"
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