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[freeofgreed]

Tekken and SC had F2P games come out that weren't as successful as DOAs

SC was single player online IIRC, and Tekken revolution didn't let you play with people who the full game like DOA did, and it was broken as all hell. Also I don't use F2P as a measure of success.

Anyways like I said before this whole side conversation about the main series is completely irrelevant since we're talking about DOAX which again even you said isn't mainstream.

 

[Corpekata]

Allegory, sure, and they help human slaves too, but slavery as an actual part of the game seems to be gone. In FO2 you could join the Slaver's Guild, in FO3 you could capture people to sell them into slavery and even buy a slave as a follower.
As for prostitution, I'm 80 hours in and I've yet to see a single hooker, male or female.

There's one companion that feels pretty slaveish.

Spoiler

After storming a place you get the option of taking up a woman's contract from the previous owner and she's not exactly raring to go with you.

That being said, I don't think Fallout 4 (and 3)'s removal of the darker and more strange activities are a symptom of reacting to the political atmosphere. It's about stripping out most of the more RP functions of the game because they decided they needed voice acting for some reason. I mean it's not like they took out the low intelligence speech options because they were being sensitive to the mentally handicapped. They did it because they didn't have the budget to do it really.

There's a lot less towns and settlements and characters to really interact with in general it feels like.

 

[kuroneko0509]

True. I forgot about that one. In that case, I'd think it's pretty obvious since it's a game about enacting sexual violence. On the other hand, we do allow discussion of various adult games that feature explicit sex as long as they handle it sensibly and provided no screenshots are posted.



You're mistaken. At most, posts are deleted or threads locked. Usually we just drop in and remind everyone to change the subject.

hmmm... i guess those that i came across probably something like what steve mentioned earlier, or i'm totally wrong in sense that they're banned due to other stuff. not that i bookmarked/screenshotted every single posts that i think it's potentially bannable

 

[sensui-tomo]

Because it's never been about having sex in the game per se. That's what the people screaming "prude" never understood.

If you're talking about the first Witcher, pretty much everyone called out how dumb the cards were.

Oh i'm sorry i didnt mean the comment to sound like that . I meant i'm surprised witcher (Series) never got called out by anyone ever for it (not that i mind , i thought it was done good.. except the thing from 1 which well yeah was just cards and dumb)

 

[studyguy]

PA capitalizing on controversy to sell preorders to the only demographic of the game who might care. k
Game is still decidedly awful, but you can still get your preorder in for an English import. k.

 

[marrec]

PA capitalizing on controversy to sell preorders to the only demographic of the game who might care. k

Promotional backlash built on fear of something that's not real, the American political right would be fucking proud of P-A right now.

 

[Dice//]

PA capitalizing on controversy to sell preorders to the only demographic of the game who might care. k

lol and it worked...

 

[Easy_D]

Scientists say Play-Asia's salty tears to blame for world-wide crop-death

 

[marrec]

lol and it worked...

Because many of the target demographic are easily manipulated?

You decide!

 

[Griss]

Funny, here you have a crap game

No.

from a crap franchise

No.

that has crap sales.

And... no.

 

[studyguy]

lol and it worked...

It's pretty American yes. They're taking your guns waifus away. Buy now, buy plenty.

 

[freeofgreed]

No.



No.



And... no.

He's clearly talking about DOAX not DOA5...

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

PA capitalizing on controversy to sell preorders to the only demographic of the game who might care. k

It's pretty funny. Everybody here should get a cut of the sales.

 

[Basketball]

Were any of the DOA games marketed that well ?

I've seen promotions for other fighting games like SC , SF and MK but I never really see any ads for any of the DOA games including the DOX series

seems they get lots of revenue from their dlc sales (which a bunch were released in the US last week).

 

[Corpekata]

No.



No.



And... no.

You realize this isn't about DOA 5 right? Why didn't you link to the metacritic of DOAX2?

 

[codhand]

But they stuck out to me as being particularly hostile.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186239597&postcount=388

all starting to make sense

 

[marrec]

Were any of the DOA games marketed that well ?

I've seen promotions for other fighting games like SC , SF and MK but I never really see any ads for any of the DOA games including the DOX series

seems they get lots of revenue from their dlc sales (which a bunch were released in the US last week).

DOA3 and 4 were marketed pretty heavily, especially DOA3.

 

[system11]

That's one of the most amazing marketing ploys I've ever seen.

I'd buy it from them if I didn't already have a preorder.

 

[Green Card]

Promotional backlash built on fear of something that's not real, the American political right would be fucking proud of P-A right now.

How have they appealed to fear? The language PA has used in their tweets (the ones in the OP) has been mocking (tears/salt) and dismissive (nonsense). It probably felt pretty good to attack the intelligence of the sheeple who bought the game due to their tweets though. So there's that.

 

[Lord Dante]

Well, looks I'm definitely pre-ordering. I love PA <3

 

[Crash Station]

This thread has nearly 200k views.

Manufactured or not, the controversy is definitely helping the game's visibility.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Scientists say Play-Asia's salty tears to blame for world-wide crop-death

I don't really think it's fair to say that they have any salty tears over this. If anything, they saw an opportunity and ran with it. Likewise, I don't think it's fair to say that there's any salty tears on the other side. Frankly, I don't know if there's any salt from anyone over this.

I have to say that I think this is a weird game for this to be happening around. I mean, DoA has always gotten some degree of flack -- particularly the Xtreme Beach Volleyball spinoff -- for its fanservice elements. But never anything serious. Even in today's climate -- which I concede shines more of a spotlight on these things than yesteryear -- I still feel like it's not really that big of a deal. I don't see this game as something that was going to generate any inordinate amount of controversy. Some controversy? Sure. But worthy of being a martyr for the sins of overly zealous social advocates? It's bizarre to me.

 

[Sianos]

Promotional backlash built on fear of something that's not real, the American political right would be fucking proud of P-A right now.

hehehe

play asia is shameless with this, creating a demonstrably false narrative about outrage that didn't exist, then congratulating the brave gamergaters for standing up to the big bad non-existent sjw's by paying play asia tons of money

i do believe they all "got played like a goddamn fiddle"

also, i feel it is valuable to note that my phone autocorrects "gamergater" to "gamer hater"

 

[Griss]

You realize this isn't about DOA 5 right? Why didn't you link to the metacritic of DOAX2?

Because the last game in the franchise, by the same team, was excellent. DoAX2 was released near DoA4, and both were shite. We can't say how good DoAX3 is until it's out, but Team Ninja have been doing fantastically well with the DoA franchise since Itagaki left so assuming the game is shite is nonsensical.

Also, a game should be judged by what it attempts to do. You don't bash Mario for not having an epic story. DoAX3 attempts to provide sexy fanservice. From the .gifs alone it looks like it will be a rousing success. Between the dev's recent output and their previews there's more evidence to suggest it will succeed at what it wants to be than there is that it will fail.

This thread has nearly 200k views.

Manufactured or not, the controversy is definitely helping the game's visibility.

As a DoA fan, I'm hoping the controversy runs until it becomes necessary for KT to announce a western version, lol. I'm loving this exposure.

 

[Corpekata]

Because the last game in the franchise, by the same team, was excellent. DoAX2 was released near DoA4, and both were shite. We can't say how good DoAX3 is until it's out, but Team Ninja have been doing fantastically well with the DoA franchise since Itagaki left so assuming the game is shite is nonsensical.

Also, a game should be judged by what it attempts to do. You don't bash Mario for not having an epic story. DoAX3 attempts to provide sexy fanservice. From the .gifs alone it looks like it will be a rousing success. Between the dev's recent output and their previews there's more evidence to suggest it will succeed at what it wants to be than there is that it will fail.

Your description of DOAX3 could easily be applied to DOAX2. And yet nobody really seemed to like it, even the fanservice fans.

DOA5 is an entirely different genre. Assuming this will be good is like assuming that shitty new Mario Tennis game will be good because of Mario 3d World.

 

[freeofgreed]

Because the last game in the franchise, by the same team, was excellent. DoAX2 was released near DoA4, and both were shite. We can't say how good DoAX3 is until it's out, but Team Ninja have been doing fantastically well with the DoA franchise since Itagaki left so assuming the game is shite is nonsensical.

Also, a game should be judged by what it attempts to do. You don't bash Mario for not having an epic story. DoAX3 attempts to provide sexy fanservice. From the .gifs alone it looks like it will be a rousing success. Between the dev's recent output and their previews there's more evidence to suggest it will succeed at what it wants to be than there is that it will fail.



As a DoA fan, I'm hoping the controversy runs until it becomes necessary for KT to announce a western version, lol. I'm loving this exposure.

Oh please. You're not fooling anyone, this game isn't going to be any better than the last one. How exactly do you improve on a fanservice vollyball sim? And even if they could nobody is buying it for the gameplay. Let's be real here.

 

[marrec]

How have they appealed to fear? The language PA has used in their tweets (the ones in the OP) has been mocking (tears/salt) and dismissive (nonsense). It probably felt pretty good to attack the intelligence of the sheeple who bought the game due to their tweets though. So there's that.

It's obviously an appeal to the phantom of SJW censorship, something that a lot of people have unfounded fears about.

 

[Kinyou]

He's clearly talking about DOAX not DOA5...

"Franchise" would include all Dead or alive games

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Promotional backlash built on fear of something that's not real, the American political right would be fucking proud of P-A right now.

Fear for to get one side riled up and a few snarky memes to grab the other. Both will go out of their way to send business PA's way.

 

[Griss]

Oh please. You're not fooling anyone, this game isn't going to be any better than the last one. How exactly do you improve on a fanservice vollyball sim? And even if they could nobody is buying it for the gameplay. Let's be real here.

Teach me your time travelling secrets, wise one. I wish to live in an era where the Miami Dolphins are good at football.

As for how you improve a fan-service game, the consensus answer appeared to be better visuals and booty physics. Which, as it happens, they've implemented. Good gameplay would help, but the fanservice comes first.

 

[Valdfellgar]

Ok, I see.

Let's shift our focus then. Why is Japan's way of handling these games (or the subculture, even) better than what you perceive the way the West handles it.

I don't think the way Japan handles its pervy games is all around better. I think it's unfortunate that they choose to ignore it, rather than whether it with criticism (Not backlash) in an attempt to make that subgenre grow. It's probably why there's no significant female oriented pervy games for women to consume. No one is challenging them and pushing for the creation of it. That's unfortunate, I think, as I'd bet there's a small niche market for sexually exploitive female oriented muscular/fit female gaze pandering games.

That said, I think the lack of backlash is a huge plus. If Backlash was hitting KT in Japan itself then perhaps DOA might not be getting made over there at all (In DOAs case I doubt it, but you get the general idea.) I think a balance between the two extremes, ignoring the genre or hurling hefty backlash at it, is the true ideal. I'm all for criticism in general, I even said that in my original essay length post, I just think what follows isn't actually healthy.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

How have they appealed to fear? The language PA has used in their tweets (the ones in the OP) has been mocking (tears/salt) and dismissive (nonsense). It probably felt pretty good to attack the intelligence of the sheeple who bought the game due to their tweets though. So there's that.

Fear of a "SJW backlash" / censorship that doesn't exist.

 

[marrec]

This thread has nearly 200k views.

Manufactured or not, the controversy is definitely helping the game's visibility.

Absolutely brilliant marketing move on P-A's part with almost zero risk of any negative sales prospects in the future.

 

[freeofgreed]

"Franchise" would include all Dead or alive games

DOAX is it's own sub franchise.

Teach me your time travelling secrets, wise one. I wish to live in an era where the Miami Dolphins are good at football.

As for how you improve a fan-service game, the consensus answer appeared to be better visuals and booty physics. Which, as it happens, they've implemented. Good gameplay would help, but the fanservice comes first.

Good visuals and booty physics wont improve it's metacritic score.

 

[Puruzi]

Oh please. You're not fooling anyone, this game isn't going to be any better than the last one. How exactly do you improve on a fanservice vollyball sim? And even if they could nobody is buying it for the gameplay. Let's be real here.

you make the fanservice better

it's better

 

[Deleted member 126221]

"Franchise" would include all Dead or alive games

Not necessarily. I'd argue DOAX can stand on its own just as Persona is a franchise.

 

[Red Devil]

How about Xenoblade Chronicles changing the female outfits?

No, they changed "skimpy" outfits for a single underage character.

We're talking about a company that stopped making their most successful product for over 10 years because they wanted to do something else.

What?

 

[Crash Station]

I don't think the way Japan handles its pervy games is all around better. I think it's unfortunate that they choose to ignore it, rather than whether it with criticism (Not backlash) in an attempt to make that subgenre grow. It's probably why there's no significant female oriented pervy games for women to consume. No one is challenging them and pushing for the creation of it. That's unfortunate, I think, as I'd bet there's a small niche market for sexually exploitive female oriented muscular/fit female gaze pandering games.

Ever hear of the fujoshi market? There are exponentially more women-oriented games in Japan than there are in the west.

 

[Kinyou]

DOAX is it's own sub franchise.

That seems to be really stretching it. I have doubts he meant that.

 

[freeofgreed]

you make the fanservice better

it's better

In the context of our conversation no it's not. DOA5 is a legitametly good game, but saying that DOAX3 will be just because DOA5 was is a bit ridiculous.

 

[ReginaldXIV]

If Fame Douglas were here, he would shout "Cooler heads prevail!" On top of his golden DOATEC yacht.

We miss you Fame Douglas!

 

[freeofgreed]

That seems to be really stretching it. I have doubts he meant that.

Good for you. I don't.

 

[KimonoNoNo]

Not that my opinion matters much, but I find the bikinis in doa5 a fighting game more off-putting than I would in a purely frivolous beach volleyball game.

Doax3 may be pandering crap, but the excuse to having the girls in bikinis makes sense in context.

I do find TK's refusal to bring this game out West strange, when they're quite happy to sell bikini dlc for Doa5 without batting an eye. You would thought they would be falling over themselves to get another income stream for their different coloured but essentially the same 3d model bikini dlc.

 

[Nabae]

There absolutely would be backlash, since some SJWs on social media are absolutely relentless and would bash it to no end. SJWs burden some of the blame for creating such a hostile attitude towards these types of games, and Koei Tecmo bears the rest for being cowardly and not localizing it in spite of their fears.

 

[GearDraxon]

I have to say that I think this is a weird game for this to be happening around. I mean, DoA has always gotten some degree of flack -- particularly the Xtreme Beach Volleyball spinoff -- for its fanservice elements. But never anything serious. Even in today's climate -- which I concede shines more of a spotlight on these things than yesteryear -- I still feel like it's not really that big of a deal. I don't see this game as something that was going to generate any inordinate amount of controversy. Some controversy? Sure. But worthy of being a martyr for the sins of overly zealous social advocates? It's bizarre to me.

Perhaps that's the reason why? It's not completely beyond the pale, so there are a fair few people who will defend it that wouldn't do so for other, more troublesome titles? It's pretty much perfect for this purpose: well-known enough to get people's attention, but not skeezy enough to be indefensible.

 

[system11]

It's obviously an appeal to the phantom of SJW censorship, something that a lot of people have unfounded fears about.

I wouldn't say they're entirely unfounded. A portion of sales are based on critical reception. Hardly anyone trusts the media anymore, if it's not one agenda it's another.

You can see it in the flavouring given to the story on some of the sites, the Eurogamer one for example. This is the first time they've mentioned the game even exists, and took time in the article to take a swipe at DOA5.

If it had been released here, I was legitimately expecting a scramble from some areas of media to be as outwardly progressive and offended as possible, while it's met with a much more varied and measured reaction from people who actually buy games.

P-A pulled a perfect marketing stunt though, I hope everyone understands that's their agenda.

 

[freeofgreed]

There absolutely would be backlash, since some SJWs on social media are absolutely relentless and would bash it to no end. SJWs burden some of the blame for creating such a hostile attitude towards these types of games, and Koei Tecmo bears the rest for being cowardly and not localizing it in spite of their fears.

So do you think SJW don't have the right to voice their opinion on this game?

 

[kitschykitty]

There absolutely would be backlash, since some SJWs on social media are absolutely relentless and would bash it to no end. SJWs burden some of the blame for creating such a hostile attitude towards these types of games, and Koei Tecmo bears the rest for being cowardly and not localizing it in spite of their fears.

Do you really think "SJWs" or their social media followers were going to buy this game anyways? Would them bashing it have any effect on the people who will buy it?

edit: basically I'm saying I don't actually think there is a consumer who is really interested in dead or alive extreme beach volleyball 3 but would decide not to buy it if someone tweeted or wrote an article saying it objectifies women.

 

[muteki]

Good visuals and booty physics wont improve it's metacritic score.

It really should because it is doing a great job at both so far.

The whole point of the game is the visuals. The volleyball, etc. is just icing on the cake

 

[Fatal Futanari]

So do you think SJW don't have the right to voice their opinion on this game?

There is voicing it and then there is trying to shove it down people's throats.