Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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mordecaii83
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More like 45-52 depending on the site measuring. And for me, response time is important but the picture being displayed is easily just as important. The Witcher 3 will look insane on this screen.
Plus, even at 50ms of lag it will be 15-20ms less than my previous Samsung LCD.
Edit: also, OLED has advantages such as screen response time that will be nice.
Jigolo
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I'm sure they could've made the first 2 generations have low input lag but it's all about how much LG really cares about it.
Yes screen response time is nice - BUT it doesn't come close to making up for input lag. It can't. Input lag is basically the image you're seeing on screen being displayed slightly later than it should. It's the game equivalent of running a live broadcast delayed so you can quickly edit out the curse words.
It makes controls feel loose and swimmy. I couldn't deal with the OLED's. It never felt like I was in control.
GANGSTERKILLER
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Exactly, no matter how good the PQ is on these OLED's, they will all feel sluggish with gaming for me. Even with low input lag 60 fps games. I'm quite disappointed in Panasonic I must say, I thought they would take gamers into account with their OLED's (like they did with plasma), but the input lag is even worse than the LG's! Damn it.
I'm holding on to my Panasonic VT60 PDP as long there isn't a OLED available that fill my needs. The VT60 has the perfect balance between picture quality an low input lag imo. And the game mode on the VT60 doesn't decrease the PQ one bit, that's just great.
These OLED manufacturers need to step up their "game" and make a flat OLED in 65" with 20ms or less input lag.
Only then they will get my money.
Wildschwein
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I've been using a 40 inch Samsung J6200 for the last month-ish, and I've been really very happy with it up til some things I noticed over the last couple of days. Despite its great refresh rate, it turns out that I'm finding some really nasty ghosting, but its only with specific colors. Particularly I'm seeing it with deep blacks and some bright reds, but even more confusingly, I've found black objects in games ghosting with a red streak. Real weird stuff.
Does anyone have any idea what it could be? I've still got a couple of weeks left to try and replace it thanks to some holiday extended return policy business, but I'm not sure if its worth the risk. Its really starting to bug me so I may just bite.
Does anyone have any idea what it could be? I've still got a couple of weeks left to try and replace it thanks to some holiday extended return policy business, but I'm not sure if its worth the risk. Its really starting to bug me so I may just bite.
Bornstellar
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Haven't really had a problem with Halo 5 on the 9300 using PC mode. :shrug
deranged_666
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Just over 2 weeks with my new XBR55x810c, and I'm still really loving this TV.
Black level is fantastic for an LCD. Contrast ratio is high (even higher than on the x850c)
Minimal input lag. Lag is also acceptable while using frame interpolation (MotionFlow) in a lot of games (aside from twitch shooters and the like).
Sony's 4K up-scaling seems to be top of the line, even on this "budget" set.
Direct backlit (my previous LG set from 2012 was Edge-Lit, which annoyed the hell out of me)
Android TV is fantastic IMO, but I also have an NVIDIA Shield TV, so I don't even use the smart functions of the TV.
This is truly the first LCD of any kind I've ever owned where I'm happy watching dark content in a dimly lit room. I never thought this kind of black level was possible in an LCD.
The set doesn't have any HDR support (kind of a bummer) or wide color gamut or 3D. But it has 4 HDMI 2.0 ports, all with HDCP 2.2, all are capable of 4K @ 60Hz (and 1080p at 120Hz), and has perfect support for 24p playback. A lot of TVs I was looking at seem to be crippled with their HDMI ports, Sony TVs don't seem to have this limitation.
And I feel like I got a great price ($999). The only thing I am bummed on is lack of HDR support, but the next model up price wise that has it (the x850c) is Edge-Lit and it seems to fare worse in picture quality according to Rtings.
Black level is fantastic for an LCD. Contrast ratio is high (even higher than on the x850c)
Minimal input lag. Lag is also acceptable while using frame interpolation (MotionFlow) in a lot of games (aside from twitch shooters and the like).
Sony's 4K up-scaling seems to be top of the line, even on this "budget" set.
Direct backlit (my previous LG set from 2012 was Edge-Lit, which annoyed the hell out of me)
Android TV is fantastic IMO, but I also have an NVIDIA Shield TV, so I don't even use the smart functions of the TV.
This is truly the first LCD of any kind I've ever owned where I'm happy watching dark content in a dimly lit room. I never thought this kind of black level was possible in an LCD.
The set doesn't have any HDR support (kind of a bummer) or wide color gamut or 3D. But it has 4 HDMI 2.0 ports, all with HDCP 2.2, all are capable of 4K @ 60Hz (and 1080p at 120Hz), and has perfect support for 24p playback. A lot of TVs I was looking at seem to be crippled with their HDMI ports, Sony TVs don't seem to have this limitation.
And I feel like I got a great price ($999). The only thing I am bummed on is lack of HDR support, but the next model up price wise that has it (the x850c) is Edge-Lit and it seems to fare worse in picture quality according to Rtings.
mordecaii83
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Yes, I'm not saying I wouldn't love lower input lag. The pluses this TV brings (including the best 3D I've ever seen, and the best PQ on the market) make this TV my top choice. The Samsung JS9000 was my second choice.
Edit: This is the living room TV and will be used for movies and TV as much or more than gaming.
Wildschwein
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I've been searching around, and did some ghosting tests last night and I'm definitely getting an issue. I'm just not sure if its a panel lottery issue, or if its just some bad luck that I should go get replaced while I can.
The closest equivalent I can find is this video here with someone describing a very similar issue, but no real info seemed to come of it. It only seems to happen with deep blacks, and I hadn't even noticed it until I had tried to play New Vegas. Areas of that game are so riddled with deep shadows that the entire color tone of the game changes with the slightest movement of the camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEx0COr3rw
Any advice would be appreciated.
The closest equivalent I can find is this video here with someone describing a very similar issue, but no real info seemed to come of it. It only seems to happen with deep blacks, and I hadn't even noticed it until I had tried to play New Vegas. Areas of that game are so riddled with deep shadows that the entire color tone of the game changes with the slightest movement of the camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEx0COr3rw
Any advice would be appreciated.
Possibly common knowledge, but if you have the space (and don't already have a surround system or the like), get a soundbar. Even the cheapest soundbar you can find will sound appreciably better than the speakers in your tv. I picked up Vizio's 3.0 bar to go with my new tv and the richness in sound makes me wonder how I ever watched or played anything without it. Not terribly expensive either.
Also, is HDR something that's hardwired into the television or is it something that can be added via a firmware update later? I think I read somewhere that Sony was planning on rolling it out for a few of their "older" sets and was wondering how universal something like that might be.
Also, is HDR something that's hardwired into the television or is it something that can be added via a firmware update later? I think I read somewhere that Sony was planning on rolling it out for a few of their "older" sets and was wondering how universal something like that might be.
exmachina64
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A video game isn't the best source material you could use to test, verify and determine this. Could you play a blu-ray of Star Trek: Into Darkness or War of the Worlds?
I'm on a 50" J6200 and haven't had similar trouble.
Truckondo2.0
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I know the current Sony "C" series are supposed to get it. Not sure if the older models are getting it though. I don't believe it's as easy as a simple firmware update for older 4K tvs.
Yeah, which is why I refer back to the post (can't remember who said it, sorry!) that you need to take our thoughts and reviews and then make up your own mind. No one can tell you what tv is best for YOU.
The OLED is one HELL of a nice TV. Glad you enjoy it. Wish it fit my needs.
Haint
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Any set with HDMI 2.0a could theoretically be FW updated to support HDR, but the quality will depend on the "hardwiring" (i.e. the light output potential of the display). AFAIK there is no standard/requirement that says you have to be capable of 1000 or 2000 nits to put an HDR badge on your product. As such, you could technically call any display "HDR" capable so long as it can accept and interpret the signal, but if it's a dim piece of shit, it's not really HDR in the sense people expect.
Wildschwein
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I don't have either of those at my disposal. I tried to find some trailers but I know it's not the same as having a blu ray on hand.
I didn't notice any issue there, or during any TV/film footage. Specifically it's popping up harshly with 60fps games. I played Destiny on here for weeks and had no issues, but I'm seeing it in console menus and PC games. Just to verify I ran the ufotest ghosting test from multiple sources and inputs and get the same noticeable black/red smear. It's rarely noticeable, but in the perfect conditions it looks preeeetty rough.
I think I'll exchange it and hope for the best. I really hope it isn't due to the 40 inch having some cheapo panel or something.
exmachina64
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Sorry to hear that, I guess that's the risk you run in that size range these days.
Does the 5.0 update make latency worse or better on the ec9300?
SlaughterX
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What resolution is your TV and what is your pc set to?
exmachina64
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Does it support 4:4:4?
Boombloxer
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Just wait for the Panasonic. I have the 9600 and enjoy it, but next years Panasonic is what I'm waiting for.
I'll buy that and put this in the loft.
I believe so, it's the lg ec9300. Should support chroma 4:4:4 on hdmi 3 at 1080p/60hz, when using PC mode.
I really hope so.
I wonder if Panasonic steps away from curved. How was input lag on their OLED for this year?
FrankNitty
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IIRC it was in the 90's I believe.
https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-tx-65cz952b-cz952-ultra-hd-4k-oled-tv-review.11988
Is that the TV you're talking about? It's in the 70 ms range. Bad.
Yeah that must be it. Damn, that's so far away from anything decent. Makes you wonder how much they can really do. Worst of all is they would never use input lag as an selling point so that means we'd have to wait until well into 2016 to even find out.
FrankNitty
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Yep thats the one. It must have been the AX900 that was in the 90's. I know they made one recently that was like 85+ input lag on game mode.
bronk
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I did exactly that. Trying to get one of my friends to buy my still newish replaced one lol.
I can't imagine playing on a game with that much lag. That's basically what the JS9500 has in non game mode. And it's horrible.
MitzTapuzim
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Hi everyone,sorry about the bump of the thread if it's against the rules..I hope not.
So yesterday I bought the Sony 40W705C..
I didn't have time to open it yet and if someone here has this set I would
like to know if you are glad with it.
I also would like to ask for recommended calibaration settings for Tv/game as I have no clue what is good/bad.
Thanks a lot guys!
So yesterday I bought the Sony 40W705C..
I didn't have time to open it yet and if someone here has this set I would
like to know if you are glad with it.
I also would like to ask for recommended calibaration settings for Tv/game as I have no clue what is good/bad.
Thanks a lot guys!
Any thoughts on last year's Sony KDL-40W600B? It's currently at its lowest price ever on Amazon ($350), so I want to make a quick decision before the price jumps back up.
Main uses will be for PS4 and Apple TV. I'm also considering going with a gaming monitor like the Asus MX279.
Main uses will be for PS4 and Apple TV. I'm also considering going with a gaming monitor like the Asus MX279.
Don't worry about bumping the thread! It's usually a really active thread, but it's just been strangely quiet for the last week or so. Glad you bumped it, so others can find the thread as well.
Sorry to say, I don't have any experience with that model. Hopefully someone else might be able to chime in.
Have you checked out Rtings' review? You should be able to tell if it fits your needs or not.
I wouldn't recommend any of the named LGs due the poor input lag.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uf8500
Quick overview for recommended gaming TVs:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best
Dr. Zoidberg
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I did return the 65JU7500 last Friday. I hated to see the TV go, since I loved almost everything about it, but the visible grid of LED backlights was just too distracting during gaming. I loaded up Bioshock Infinite on the set and the bright blue of the Columbia sky was ruined by the visible bright spots and poor uniformity. If you play the Battleship Bay level, the bright sand means that you see the grid of LEDs on both land AND sky. I just couldn't ignore it. As usual, Best Buy gave me no trouble at all with the return.
So now I'm back on the old Sony 50" SXRD. Dimmer, duller, smaller and less sharp, but blissfully free of uniformity issues. I can pan around the sky in my games without being jabbed in the eye by ugly spots. It looks clean, which is something I really need out of a display.
Ironically, from what I can gather on AVSForum, it's possible the JU7500 with the Innolux panel (IH01 or IH02) does not have the visible backlight problem, but may have slightly worse performance when it comes to contrast and color. I'd actually give that a shot if I ever saw one. My 7500 and the others in the store were all Samsung panels (TH01 or TS01). The funny part is you would normally want to AVOID the outsourced panel.
So now I'm back on the old Sony 50" SXRD. Dimmer, duller, smaller and less sharp, but blissfully free of uniformity issues. I can pan around the sky in my games without being jabbed in the eye by ugly spots. It looks clean, which is something I really need out of a display.
Ironically, from what I can gather on AVSForum, it's possible the JU7500 with the Innolux panel (IH01 or IH02) does not have the visible backlight problem, but may have slightly worse performance when it comes to contrast and color. I'd actually give that a shot if I ever saw one. My 7500 and the others in the store were all Samsung panels (TH01 or TS01). The funny part is you would normally want to AVOID the outsourced panel.
Operations
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THose reviees are a bit puzzling. The Samsung JU7500 gets the #1 spot in the high end category but a 8,4 overall score?
Which 65' set would you recommend? Assuming price is not a issue.
Are projectors allowed to be discussed here? Im in the process of finishing my basement and was looking to section off part of it for a gaming/theater room. I dont really have too many specifics about the size of the room yet, but the section wont have any windows so light shouldnt be an issue.
Anything specific i should be looking for in a projector? Brands, resolution, lumens. etc?
I assume there is a difference between a gaming projector and a movie projector? any trusted review sites of resources i could use would also be helpful..
Anything specific i should be looking for in a projector? Brands, resolution, lumens. etc?
I assume there is a difference between a gaming projector and a movie projector? any trusted review sites of resources i could use would also be helpful..
DangerMouse
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Yeah, probably waiting on the next set of people getting some TVs this holiday heh, then it'll probably get busy again.
I don't see that problem at all on my 48" 7500.
Is the backlight a feature that comes with the 55" and larger?
Fortunately I am hopeful that my issues with the TV restarting are software related and hopefully resolved.
Dr. Zoidberg
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All LCD TVs have a light source, which is either going to come from behind (a backlight) or from the edges (edge-lit). These lights used to be long fluorescent tubes but in recent years they are all LED based. I'm guessing your set is backlit with a grid of LEDs like all the 7500 line, but either because it is smaller or designed differently, they are not visible to you. It's also possible that you are not sensitive to it. It would appear that 65" 7500s with the Innolux panels for this model do not have the issue to the same degree, so it definitely could be a defect or design flaw in the manufacturing of the Samsung panels for this particular size. It's like they left out a diffusion layer or something. I'm glad your set is not affected. I wish mine had not been.
Pancakes R Us
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Any recommendations for a 24-28" TV or a monitor? My nephews need a replacement for a a broken down Samsung LCD TV. They would only use it to play PS4, but may also connect laptop to it.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Jigolo
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BenQ RL2755HM if you could find one. or the 24" model but I think that's pretty small
I've also been in the market for a new "high-end" HDTV to replace my Panasonic VT50 but at this point there really isn't one out there that I can see myself shelling out over $3k-$4k for.
The VT50 is the best HDTV I've ever owned, calibrated to the max and it's just an amazing HDTV still.
I hope the 2016 models from Sony will bring the good because as much as I love OLED's they just don't fit the bill for gaming.
The VT50 is the best HDTV I've ever owned, calibrated to the max and it's just an amazing HDTV still.
I hope the 2016 models from Sony will bring the good because as much as I love OLED's they just don't fit the bill for gaming.
MAX PAYMENT
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I'm irritated that my parent's several year old plasma looks better than my brand new vizio 4k. :/