There's only one way a pilot can be that good.
Poe is Luke's son.
Also, force sensitive.
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Poe is Luke's son.
Also, force sensitive.
PushTheButtonMax
Banned
Thanks!
Meanwhile I have to wait who knows how long for my art book, currently out of stock on Amazon.
He is not. His parents are in the prequel comic book to TFA
Thanks!
Meanwhile I have to wait who knows how long for my art book, currently out of stock on Amazon.
Walk into a bookstore? I got mine at B&N
OriginofHysteria
Banned
What was his reward? A predator missile?
"I will finish what you started. The destruction of the sith."
He was pretty bullshit in that scene. I can understand the difference thorough familiarity to an aircraft can make when manning it, but come on. Anakin was considered to be the best pilot in the galaxy, and had the aid of the force, and dude wasn't going on Call of Duty-esque kill streaks
That's just Owen and Beru II.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't see Kylo being Severus Snape. I also don't see him talking to his dead grandfather's burnt helmet about destroying all that is good in him and then killing his father as a means to get there as being part of a ploy.
He was pretty bullshit in that scene. I can understand the difference thorough familiarity to an aircraft can make when manning it, but come on. Anakin was considered to be the best pilot in the galaxy, and had the aid of the force, and dude wasn't going on Call of Duty-esque kill streaks
When you have Tie fighters focusing on other targets, it's not as hard to believe.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Sokka was the brains of the from very early on that was his point and what he brought to the group wasn't until season 3 that he even became mildly competent in fighting.
Talking about Sokka in terms of combat usefulness completely misses the point of the character as he was always a tactician, even his later sword skills were derived from it.
PushTheButtonMax
Banned
I was given a gift card, I chose to use that and wait.
He was pretty bullshit in that scene. I can understand the difference thorough familiarity to an aircraft can make when manning it, but come on. Anakin was considered to be the best pilot in the galaxy, and had the aid of the force, and dude wasn't going on Call of Duty-esque kill streaks
10 year old Anakin blew up a Trade Federation mothership and stopped an entire army, single-handedly, by accident.
Poe is straight skill, no bullshit.
GeekyDad
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Good point, but he doesn't say (that I recall) that he wants to rid himself of good but rather dealing with the light inside him. I know it might seem like splitting hairs, but if Snoke truly is Plaqueis and is older than Yoda was, then perhaps Kylo feels he must deaden himself to Plaqueis' ability to sense his feelings.
And as for his killing Han -- technically, he asks his father for his help to do what he must do. I could see him justifying it in his mind. Like a spiritual suicide in order to save the galaxy.
Remember Anakin was to bring balance to the Force.
That was one of the worst scenes in the movie, total B action movie bullshit. Besides the tie fighters he takes out storm troopers including a center mass hit on an individual trooper.
What's the story behind the Republic fleet with large ships ending up being just a dozen x-wings as the resistance fleet.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Who said it was part of a ploy. The whole smoke using him scene felt off, considering the whole point of the rule of two was the apprentice if he had any ambition at all would inevitably choose to assassinate the master. While they aren't With I can't imagine why he would willingly be someone's lap dog. Not even Vader was willing Palpatines lap dog as he was a shell of his former self and was too afraid to kill the emperor conventionally. While these guys aren't actually sith their still dark side users and should fall for the same pitfalls.
Republic capital and to some extent its fleet was destroyed by Starkiller. Probably not the ENTIRE fleet but it's easy to imagine they'd be in enough disarray to not be able to quickly move against Starkiller after that.
Jest Chillin
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Perhaps you should follow the quote train backwards, to get the context of what I wrote. I focused on combat specifically for a reason. And even if you were to consider Sokka a tactician from the very beginning (I disagree but that doesn't matter here) he still isn't a solid comparison match for Finn's character in TFA.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
No I read it all and yes Finn isn't exactly a 1 to 1 similarity with Sokka. But the whole point of Sokka was that he was the tactician of the group (you can't discuss similarities between the two without talking about that aspect of the character that's the entire core of his character. Otherwise this comparison is entirely superficial) He's litterally one of the main driving points precisely because Aang was not a conventional leader and preferred to goof off a lot, whenever a plan of action was made Sokka was the one to do it even in the first season it's what he brought to the group. Finn sorta does that and will probably do that more with Han dead, but Rey has enough agency of her own, so it will be interesting to see how that develops.
Starsailor
Banned
I agree. Kylo is going nuts. He may be the greatest danger of the galaxy so far even if Hux create another starkiller.
And i'm feeling that Kylo will not accept another insult from Hux now....
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He isn't.
Principate said:
The theory suggests it's part of a ploy. I think he's going to kill Snoke. I think it's because Snoke's going to prove to be full of shit about a few too many things and Kylo's going to flip the fuck out over it.
This would have fucking murdered the movie as surely as Kylo murdered Han.
igordennis
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That would have been the cringe-iest thing of all 2015 on cinema.
I've seen this suggestion before, but I think it was both the wrong moment for a callback, and the wrong moment to callback to. For all the echoes to the OT, the film really did its own thing with the character relationships. I think it would take people out of that scene in a big way.
You must be joking. It would have been awful.
Starsailor
Banned
I agree, we don't know what happened. I think this way is more powerful.
bearythebear
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Yup, At least they had enough restraint not to do call-backs through dialogue.
"I've got a bad feeling about this" (though to be fair this appears several times through other Star Wars films as well).
He gained a party member
Theodoricos
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You kidding?! It's not a real Star Wars movie if it doesn't have that quote in it at some point! XD
Like the Clone Wars movie.
It appears at least once in ALL of them so I feel like it's an obligation at this point.
You joke, but I'm actually not sure that a jedi droid would be impossible.
"You must feel the force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere. Yes, even between the land and the ship."
Yoda says that life creates the force, but objects are clearly a part of it as well.
It would've been clearer if they just said they weren't canon so we wouldn't have to figure out which details were or were not.
Starsailor
Banned
Question guys.
The Clone Wars is good to watch?
The Clone Wars is good to watch?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
As I said earlier, its just part of the character that he turns out to be the least intimidating guy ever.
Ignore the movie. Season 1 is very uneven, season 2 is better, and the series keeps improving after that.
The series at its best is fantastic, with the season 5 finale being a serious contender for best moment in Star Wars.
It wasn't actually single-handedly; R2-D2 did most of the flying in that scene IIRC.
Poe is the best pilot in the Resistance. The movie actually shows why he's considered the best. Why is that a problem?
brandonh83
Banned
Yes. Not everything is great and you have to slog through things at times, but overall it's very good.
It's really great in later season, try watching it in proper order though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/35ex94/the_clone_wars_ultimate_episode_order/
Starsailor
Banned
I heard that a part of "the clone wars" is non-canon anymore. Any information?
That would have been so bad, sorry. That's just not the way to use a callback. Maybe if TFA was Terminator Genisys they would have gone that route. Thank god it is not like that movie.
Besides, the "I love you," "I know" callback was already referenced in Return of the Jedi in a cute way. No need to revisit it just have a bunch of classic Star Wars lines in the new movie. I think Abrams and Kasdan exercised a lot of restraint with the pandering and fan service in TFA. They also refrained from having the new characters being the ones to utter the callbacks. Much like Creed, I think TFA handled the fan service and nostalgia very well.
Everything from the 2008 series is, it's the 2003 stuff that isn't.
Genuinely, I think it could have worked great on the bridge scene because earlier in the film Leia tells Han she lost her son when she sent him away and Ren later tells Rey that Han would have disappointed her as a father figure. It lends credence to the belief Ben felt they didn't love him and that trauma of separation played a considerable factor in his turning, which I think is a little pedestrian.
However, if Han told Ren that he loved him and he acknowledged that with "I know," thereby dispelling that he any notion that he wasn't aware that his parents love him and establishingly clearly that he chose to walk the path of the Dark Side anyway for other reasons, that would have given real weight to his commitment to the Dark Side and made Han's death all the more grimer.
It would have resonated strongly with the audience as a call back, but have this stark and grotesque change to it because one can so easily infer Han and Leia would have held on to that exchange as a kind of inside joke of theirs while Ben grew up and that Ben would be remembering that and all the other good things in his life growing up in his struggle with luring Han to his death when he confessed he felt torn apart. Ren corrupting that saying, something that was light and an expression of love, would nicely reflect his own corruption to the Dark Side.
Well, you're incorrect. Just came back from my (first) viewing here in Sweden, and when he took off his mask both times, quite a few people in the audience snickered and outright laughed, especially the first time when Rey was strapped to the chair.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Frog, it would have gone over like a wet fart at a funeral.
Not for me it wouldn't have.
A definitive dispelling of any notion that Ren turned because "mommy and daddy didn't love me enough!" would have strengthened his character and his allegiance to the Dark Side, and it would have made me even more interested in his motivations and how he turned in the first place.
I'd also have been somewhat shocked by such a blatant corruption of something that was such a beloved and sweet expression that fans been quoting for decades.
Opinions and all that, I guess. I'm fine being in the minority on it.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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It seems that an "I know" callback would have been a bad idea. But maybe that's just the wrong reference. What if... the bridge scene went like this:
*Stabs Han with the lightsaber*
Han: I... love you
Ben:
*Stabs Han with the lightsaber*
Han: I... love you
Ben:
Argo fuck yourself.
Theodoricos
Member
Having a line like that in the movie would've worked about as well as someone saying "No, I am your father/mother/sister/brother/third cousin twice removed/etc." as a wham line.
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