excelsiorlef
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And even then his development is basically all in the last act of Jedi. Looking back his redemption is literally just a single moment.
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And even then his development is basically all in the last act of Jedi. Looking back his redemption is literally just a single moment.
Sleeping Lesson
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Upon my second viewing, Poe's "That's one hell of a pilot!" moment still gave me chills. I want to see so much more of him in the next films.
You could have said the same thing about Episodes 4 thru 6 and many people did. Oh look another death star this is repeat of the first movie. What a little green dude on some planet is training Luke this is dumb. Ewoks are teddy bears for merchandise. Leah kissed Luke now they brother and sisters what? Implausible and downright dumb stuff but this is Star Wars do why change?
Laughing Banana
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Not a fan of Star Wars of any stretch of imagination, but this movie is really good: I greatly enjoy it, which is surprising since I never expected I would enjoy it that much.
The Finn x Rey dynamic is so endearing. I think this is a first time for me that I see a main black dude is paired up (well, possibly, and I really hope they're going with it all the way) with a main pretty white lady in a major Hollywood movie? Can't think of any other example, to be honest--even major stars like Will Smith, AFAIK, is never paired up with a white lady in his big movies.
So to see that depicted here in what is one of the biggest Hollywood movies in existence, that is really something else. Will definitely watch the next ones.
The Finn x Rey dynamic is so endearing. I think this is a first time for me that I see a main black dude is paired up (well, possibly, and I really hope they're going with it all the way) with a main pretty white lady in a major Hollywood movie? Can't think of any other example, to be honest--even major stars like Will Smith, AFAIK, is never paired up with a white lady in his big movies.
So to see that depicted here in what is one of the biggest Hollywood movies in existence, that is really something else. Will definitely watch the next ones.
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Whoa, there. I don't think it's wise to have a 10 minute exposition scene for a movie that's aimed at kids!
HowardRoark
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She wasn't in this...
brandonh83
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It's kinda close. The way the camera is pretty far back especially.
Theodoricos
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Man, regardless of what people thought of TFA, I'm just excited that Star Wars is a thing again. I mean, nearly half of the consistently updated threads in this forum are about Star Wars. People are actually talking about the new movie in a different way than unanimously agreeing it sucked, and we haven't had that in a long while.
Disney may be going overboard with all these spin-offs but I'm glad to be invested in the franchise again. Can't wait for Episode VIII.
Disney may be going overboard with all these spin-offs but I'm glad to be invested in the franchise again. Can't wait for Episode VIII.
Just rewatched it.
Yeah, Ren had no "premonition" of Rey existing prior to learning about her involvement in the safe passage of BB8. He was clearly mad that another person was involved and was demanding the soldier to expand on this new problem. I don't think there were any tells that would tie her to Luke. Luke at the end wasn't even looking at her, or feeling the force in her. He was looking at his saber that was being returned. He was going through an existential moment as the force was calling him back into the fold. Leia and Han certainly didn't recognize her, I don't see why people thought they did. Jakku was an insignificant planet to both of them.
I think her parents will be a mystery, and her following the path of the force will be letting them go. She was a force sensitive person that the force reached out to as an agent of the force. She happened to be where the maps to Luke was brought, and the force was awoken in her because it was a pivotal crossroads of events. I still think the Kenobi theory is plausible, but seeing as Luke is still alive they may be thematically painting her like Kenobi as to not have two Lukes.
When StarKiller base blew up those planets. They were all in the same system. You can certainly see planets in the sky within your own system. The geometry of the system also may have been different than our own, so they could totally be closer together. That shot works fine.
It's literally shooting a Sun, so why is it surprising that they could see that in the sky? I've looked up at our planets with my naked eye.
Yeah, Ren had no "premonition" of Rey existing prior to learning about her involvement in the safe passage of BB8. He was clearly mad that another person was involved and was demanding the soldier to expand on this new problem. I don't think there were any tells that would tie her to Luke. Luke at the end wasn't even looking at her, or feeling the force in her. He was looking at his saber that was being returned. He was going through an existential moment as the force was calling him back into the fold. Leia and Han certainly didn't recognize her, I don't see why people thought they did. Jakku was an insignificant planet to both of them.
I think her parents will be a mystery, and her following the path of the force will be letting them go. She was a force sensitive person that the force reached out to as an agent of the force. She happened to be where the maps to Luke was brought, and the force was awoken in her because it was a pivotal crossroads of events. I still think the Kenobi theory is plausible, but seeing as Luke is still alive they may be thematically painting her like Kenobi as to not have two Lukes.
When StarKiller base blew up those planets. They were all in the same system. You can certainly see planets in the sky within your own system. The geometry of the system also may have been different than our own, so they could totally be closer together. That shot works fine.
It's literally shooting a Sun, so why is it surprising that they could see that in the sky? I've looked up at our planets with my naked eye.
I?d say, after standing in line an hour and a half to see it, this was just an okay at best. They waste most of the movie on fanservice and jj Abrams' sploogefest action scenes, leaving what's there to try and pick up the remaining fill time. I could have went to the bathroom at any time throughout the movie and only been feeling regret over about 20-30 mins of the entire movie.
I'd probably rank it between return and revenge and feel safe calling it pretty mediocre overall.
I'd probably rank it between return and revenge and feel safe calling it pretty mediocre overall.
Randomizer
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Exactly how I feel. Nice to see some differing opinions amongst the circle jerk of adoration.
There's no need for that sort of salt.
Not to be a giant nerd but those planets would have been lightYEARS away. You know what that means, right?
Doctoglethorpe
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Just returned from my second viewing. I guess i was realy observant the first time cause I didnt really catch much I previously missed.
Paying more attention, im less confident in Rey being Lukes daughter. Somethings going on there clearly, probably an apprentace or child of one that was killed by Ren at the very least. The tells I picked up on the first vewing werent as convincing the second time, the way people acted around her. But idk maybe! That scene with the old pilot helmet on Jakku seems super obvious to me still. And she still looks related, which really shouldnt be an ignored piece of evidense.
Snoke looked smaller. Probably cause I was sitting farther away from the screen. First veiwing he looked massive but this time he was like 2 story house no big deal. Certainly not as big a deal as Finn. CG was pretty meh I guess, stands out more now but that probably just because people have been shitting on it so much that I expected it. Seemed fine to me first viewing. Thanks internet.
Also yup C3PO did totally get his gold arm back at the end, wtf is that about? Hey look this character has changed a bit, oh wait nvm.
Paying more attention, im less confident in Rey being Lukes daughter. Somethings going on there clearly, probably an apprentace or child of one that was killed by Ren at the very least. The tells I picked up on the first vewing werent as convincing the second time, the way people acted around her. But idk maybe! That scene with the old pilot helmet on Jakku seems super obvious to me still. And she still looks related, which really shouldnt be an ignored piece of evidense.
Snoke looked smaller. Probably cause I was sitting farther away from the screen. First veiwing he looked massive but this time he was like 2 story house no big deal. Certainly not as big a deal as Finn. CG was pretty meh I guess, stands out more now but that probably just because people have been shitting on it so much that I expected it. Seemed fine to me first viewing. Thanks internet.
Also yup C3PO did totally get his gold arm back at the end, wtf is that about? Hey look this character has changed a bit, oh wait nvm.
They literally say that they blew up a system, and they name it by name. It started with an H. Handara system I think.
They then say StarKiller base was able to target the system from lightyears away by shooting through hyperspace.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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look how far apart they are
there's no way you'd be able to see that shit.
Keep in mind that you can't even see mars when it's light outside
Solar System != Galaxy
Ahh yes, It's the Hosnian System that was destroyed.
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I don't think so, I think he is just seeing her future.
excelsiorlef
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Apparently it was explainedas ripples in hyperspace allowed them to see the explosion.
Yeah this is what was said last time this was debated, against the people trying to prove the scene wrong. But the movie provides ample explanation that debunks most of the cynics and naysayers.
MiamiWesker
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The art book has a cool idea they origi all had to get past the shields on starkiller base. The resistance had this gigantic shit with this hammerhead like front that was so strong it could penetrate shields. So this thing would crash into the shield and the head part that goes through opens up and ships fly out of it.
But that got changed to hyperspace flying takes you through the shield. Also there was supposed to be a big snowspeeder chase between troopers and our heroes.
The lighting during the bridge scene symbolizes the light side and dark side of the force. When the light went out the dark side won and Kylo kills Han.
But that got changed to hyperspace flying takes you through the shield. Also there was supposed to be a big snowspeeder chase between troopers and our heroes.
The lighting during the bridge scene symbolizes the light side and dark side of the force. When the light went out the dark side won and Kylo kills Han.
KoruptData
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I've seen the movie 3 times now and I have read all the theories out there and thought about it a lot and I'm on #teamReyisaKenobi
That wasn't my meaning. I meant the visible light coming off the beam wouldn't have been in hyperspace and it would have taken years to reach the other planets. The power of the beam was in directing the particles through hyperspace so had those visible beams been going through hyperspace, it would have destroyed the planets that saw it.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They were on Takodana. Look on the map. It's not anywhere close to the same solar system.
My parents are on this side after watching it, actually, my mom put two and two together on her own immediately afterword noting Obi-wan's dialogue during Rey's vision scene. I was kind of impressed haha. She thought the parallels between her and Luke were too obvious.
Elitist1945
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Saw it for the 3rd time again. Was a little slow starting this time (obviously because its the 3rd time) but once it picked up I was enjoying it once again. Action and humor was still top notch. I, of course, cried several times again.
Langdon Alger
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I assumed those planets were in the same solar system, in which case they wouldn't be light years apart. If they were actually in different parts of the galaxy, then it would take years before the death star sun/lasers would even reach the planets.
Edit: never mind, it's some hyperspace stuff.
Edit: never mind, it's some hyperspace stuff.
Doctoglethorpe
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Also yeah people were coming up with other reasons R2 woke up but none of them work. Lukes Lightsaber was with Finn so it didnt wake up from that. And They didnt get the map from the First Order like others claimed because they mention having it but R2 showed the map himself.
I see only two options left. Either yes it woke up cause it sensed Rey, which means shes special and R2 knew her. Or Luke remotely activated him to lead them to him, assumably because he felt Hans death. But then the way he reacts when Rey shows up seems like he wasnt ready or expecting to be found, so idk how much Id really believe that explination.
Fuck these next two years are gonna be forever. ( I sill firmly expect the future films to be delayed and christmas to be the new permament release window).
I see only two options left. Either yes it woke up cause it sensed Rey, which means shes special and R2 knew her. Or Luke remotely activated him to lead them to him, assumably because he felt Hans death. But then the way he reacts when Rey shows up seems like he wasnt ready or expecting to be found, so idk how much Id really believe that explination.
Fuck these next two years are gonna be forever. ( I sill firmly expect the future films to be delayed and christmas to be the new permament release window).
Clearly there was a "leak" of visible light from the beam. If you're theory conflicts with experiment and observation then it must be wrong. We only ever saw the beam that was local to the system, we aren't seeing all the light over its entire journey to this system. At which point it should take only a matter of minutes or hours to reach them.
Oh, but then why did Leia not experience the force the moment they all died. Well if we are being this damn pedantic about applying our own physics to the SW universe, then I guess the force also propagates at the speed of light and gravitational waves. Einstein can sleep easy.
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Yoda also speaks, so is she Yoda's daughter?
The most logical thing so far is Rey is what the movie tells us she is: a kid abandoned by her family, a family she shows no sign of not remembering who they were, and in whom the force awakened. That's ALL. Same way Finn seems to have randomly had the force awaken in him (guy can hear/feel people die when the planets blow up).
Or it just took a while to boot up after BB8 poked him, like JJ said. People keep trying to tie Luke or Obi-Wan or whatever to everything.
I thought there was official word from someone involved with the film that R2 begins the wake up the moment BB8 talks to him but that because he was in low power mode for so long it took the entire last 3rd of the movie for him to power back up?
Edit: Kinda
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/2...-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens
Edit: Kinda
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/2...-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens
KoruptData
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Yeah, during the 3rd time, her sneaking around Starkiller made up my mind. To me, Episode 7 was its own movie but rhymed very much with the original trilogy.
excelsiorlef
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Yep and that he came to life when he did is metaphorical movie magic coincidence.
Yeah, I'm saying the leak would have been travelling at light speed and additionally the angle that you see the beam doesn't support that it was local because it's big enough that it breaks into beams that entirely engulf planets from an even large beam but when we see it in the sky, you can see the origin and travel points and the beam is small and very far away.
Would love to know about the experiments you did on the beam tho
In a few days there will be a third OT topic for a movie, pretty sure that's a first.
HowardRoark
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Wait, how does the timeline work for this theory? Did they freeze Obi-wan's sperm or something?
I didn't realize the planet they were on was in another system. But how it was shown is how it would look like within the system that it happened at.
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Grover Cleveland
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Rey would be Obi's granddaughter
SliceSabre
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Ok so saw the movie solid 8/10.
Things of note:
Stormtropper vs Finn was easily the best fight/scene in the movie for me.
Kylo being a huge Vader fanboy is fucking hilarious to me.
I don't believe for a second that Han is dead.
How the fuck could that Starkiller laser split and destroy five planets? How much other shit got destroyed along the way?
Things of note:
Stormtropper vs Finn was easily the best fight/scene in the movie for me.
Kylo being a huge Vader fanboy is fucking hilarious to me.
I don't believe for a second that Han is dead.
How the fuck could that Starkiller laser split and destroy five planets? How much other shit got destroyed along the way?
Gun Animal
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if we just keep saying "hyperspace" enough the problems will all go away.
Ford has been saying for awhile that the only way he'd want to play Han Solo again is if it was to kill the character off. He's dead, Jim.
PHOENIXZERO
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I'm way behind but yes, I'm on the double-bladed lightsaber, preferably with a yellow crystal boat.
=O
She's actually the daughter of
Revan and Bastilla
Ah! I was thinking it had to do with Rey finally being in proximity to R2. Thanks for this clarification.
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