• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Giant Bomb #19 | Patrick Wins 2-1

Status
Not open for further replies.
Opm last I checked has went to places in the original version.

Murata is good but he just takes too fucking long, which is understandable with the quality he puts out.

Mob psycho 100 is better anyway.
 
yami4ct said:
Togashi is almost certainly the most talented manga (or maybe even action comic in general) writer of his generation, and yet he's always so damn inconsistent. It's frustrating as hell.
Click to expand...

Yup. From what I've heard of people who read the manga, it seemed like the next arc was gearing up to be even better than Chimera Ant, but we'll most likely never know.

Antiwhippy said:
Murata is good but he just takes too fucking long, which is understandable with the quality he puts out.
Click to expand...

Berserk's art is still the best I've ever seen in a manga, even after seeing art from OPM.

Edit: granted my manga knowledge only expands to Berserk/OPM/Prison School/Jojo Bizarre Adventure.
 
Antiwhippy said:
Opm last I checked has went to places in the original version.

Murata is good but he just takes too fucking long, which is understandable with the quality he puts out.

Mob psycho 100 is better anyway.
Click to expand...

Yasuhiko was able to put out chapters of Gundam The Origin on a monthly basis that not only surpassed Murata in detail, but also were like at least 2x as long as his stuff.

Now, I think he also wasn't able to live any life outside of work for a decade because of it, but it can be done.
skLaFarebear said:
Yup. From what I've heard of people who read the manga, it seemed like the next arc was gearing up to be even better than Chimera Ant, but we'll most likely never know.
Click to expand...

HxH is one of the single most popular manga ever in Japan. This hiatus isn't even that long compared to the last. Togashi will be back eventually. No reason to believe he won't. It's just the cycle of being a HxH fan.
 
Attack on Titan is fucking killer, lamers. The characters are dull and the story doesn't go anywhere, but the action is terrific. I could watch angsty teens zoom around at absurd speeds with their grappling hooks and steam jumpjets, slashing at giants' necks using box cutter swords with motorcycle handles, and getting mercilessly ripped to pieces, for dayyyys.

In all seriousness, I really enjoy the way it's 'shot'. I like the music and it's gimmick (heavy distortion in moments of stress) too. The whole package just get me hyped as fuck.
 
I remember liking Code Geass the first time I watched both seasons, but now that I have seen more stuff to compare, it feels... mild? It doesn't resonate with me as much as Hoshi no Koe, Aldnoah or Exaella.


yami4ct said:
Togashi is almost certainly the most talented manga (or maybe even action comic in general) writer of his generation, and yet he's always so damn inconsistent. It's frustrating as hell.
Click to expand...

I wish I had time to read/watch HxH all over again.
 
yami4ct said:
Togashi is almost certainly the most talented manga (or maybe even action comic in general) writer of his generation, and yet he's always so damn inconsistent. It's frustrating as hell.
Click to expand...

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

If you restrict yourself to shounen maybe.

If not than naaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
 
FluxWaveZ said:
I'm not going to take that from someone who liked Kill la Kill.
Click to expand...

8HBmrB8.jpg
Click to expand...
.
 
skLaFarebear said:
Berserk's art is still the best I've ever seen in a manga, even after seeing art from OPM.

Edit: granted my manga knowledge only expands to Berserk/OPM/Prison School/Jojo Bizarre Adventure.
Click to expand...

For me, nothing has topped Gundam The Origin. Yasuhiko's level of detail is incredible and it never lets up. This was just the best I could fine on short notice, there are other sections that are even more breathtaking.

R17xD0Y.png
Click to expand...

Dude even refuses to use assistants. Miura will at least let other guys handle his backgrounds in Berserk. I honestly don't know how The Origin even exists.
 
skLaFarebear said:
Yup. From what I've heard of people who read the manga, it seemed like the next arc was gearing up to be even better than Chimera Ant, but we'll most likely never know.



Berserk's art is still the best I've ever seen in a manga, even after seeing art from OPM.

Edit: granted my manga knowledge only expands to Berserk/OPM/Prison School/Jojo Bizarre Adventure.
Click to expand...

If you like prison school don't sleep on akira hiramoto's art. Me and the devil blues is still fucking killer art-wise.

k5kk3xv.jpg
Click to expand...

Also seinen is where the good art lives.

sERgwCN.png
Click to expand...
 
Antiwhippy said:
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

If you restrict yourself to shounen maybe.

If not than naaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Click to expand...

I think if you restrict yourself to people who do action work (not strictly shonen, but that's obviously the most famous segment), he's tops. Hunter x Hunter and YuYu Hakusho are both incredible works that would be keystones for many writers careers and he has both.

His art is inconsistent of course, but his knack for character work, his pacing, his creativity in plotting and his knack of creating good action are key skills.

Antiwhippy said:
Also seinen is where the good art lives.
Click to expand...

Most Seinen is on a monthly or longer schedule. I imagine that helps a ton. Getting chapters out weekly must be a nightmare.

I don't love One Piece, but Oda's a goddamn beast for keeping up his schedule with as few breaks as he takes.
 
nckillthegrimace said:
Did Gibson also have a mirror-eyed girl street-samurai riding shotgun while he wrote the silicon-quick, bleakly prohetic adventure that upped the ante on an entire genre of fiction?
Click to expand...


it's funny, everybody (probably correctly) interprets that as her having eyes with no irises that are just pure chrome, but when reading I interpreted it as having Adam Jensen style shades over her eyes that were part of her face at all times
 
'the great invention of the sexy era' is a great title for an autobiography

also, i'd maybe (maybe!) have gotten the bundle if it had been pay-what-you-want just to see what these games are with my own eyes

i was pretty surprised to see a bundle like that on indiegala, though
 
daydream said:
'the great invention of the sexy era' is a great title for an autobiography

also, i'd maybe (maybe!) have gotten the bundle if it had been pay-what-you-want just to see what these games are with my own eyes

i was pretty surprised to see a bundle like that on indiegala, though
Click to expand...

I ended up with a bunch of porn games because I was betting on the JAST Bundle having Steins;Gate when I pre-ordered (it did not). Boy some of those go places.
 
pedro_tex said:
I remember liking Code Geass the first time I watched both seasons, but now that I have seen more stuff to compare, it feels... mild? It doesn't resonate with me as much as Hoshi no Koe, Aldnoah or Exaella.
Click to expand...

I could see your point about Hoshi no Koe, though I'm afraid that over the years Makoto Shinkai's bag of emotional tricks gets old too fast for me, but Aldnoah of all things? There's nothing in that show which a large swath of Gundam and Code Geass didn't already do better. No comment on Exaella (it looks rather experimental, I suppose). In any event, Gunbuster is still the single best anime with robots and I saw that decades ago. I also want to give props to YAZ for making The Origin since it's a great manga.
 
JCG said:
I could see your point about Hoshi no Koe, though I'm afraid that over the years Makoto Shinkai's bag of emotional tricks gets old too fast for me, but Aldnoah of all things? There's nothing in that show that a large swath of Gundam and Code Geass didn't already do better. No comment on Exaella (it looks rather experimental, I suppose). In any event, Gunbuster is still the single best anime with robots and I saw that decades ago.
Click to expand...

Haha, I agree with you on everything.

Kotonoha no Niwa and Byousoku 5 Centimeter are maybe the movies that most hit me, and along with Hoshi no Koe they all talk about distance (in age, space and time respectively); on the other hand I don't want Kimino Na Wa, his next project, to have similar motifs.

I think I liked Aldonah more because it doesn't take itself as seriously, but there's nothing original in it.

Tell me about Gunbuster (cool name!)
 
yami4ct said:
For me, nothing has topped Gundam The Origin. Yasuhiko's level of detail is incredible and it never lets up. This was just the best I could fine on short notice, there are other sections that are even more breathtaking.



Dude even refuses to use assistants. Miura will at least let other guys handle his backgrounds in Berserk. I honestly don't know how The Origin even exists.
Click to expand...

Antiwhippy said:
If you like prison school don't sleep on akira hiramoto's art. Me and the devil blues is still fucking killer art-wise.


Also seinen is where the good art lives.
Click to expand...

God damn these look good. I should try to check out more manga.
 
pedro_tex said:
Tell me about Gunbuster (cool name!)
Click to expand...

Gunbuster is an 80's Super Robot OVA and Hideaki Anno's (Of Evangelion fame) first directorial work. It's a pretty weird thing. It starts out as a sort of military academy show, builds to full super robot and eventually becomes something strange and existential. I didn't completely fall in love with it, but I appreciated it. It has a great emotional ending as well.

It's only 6 episodes, so it's definitely worth looking at.

skLaFarebear said:
God damn these look good. I should try to check out more manga.
Click to expand...

Kadokawa has put the first 2 hardcovers and most of the third (of twelve total) of Gundam The Origin legally online to read for free. It's worth checking out at least those and the actual hardcovers are very much worth the cost.

http://comic-walker.com/contents/detail/KDCW_CW01000002020000_68/

They are the all color versions of those chapters as well. The hardcovers only have color for selected portions. The black and white artwork is equally gorgeous of course.
 
pedro_tex said:
Tell me about Gunbuster (cool name!)
Click to expand...

yami4ct said:
Gunbuster is an 80's Super Robot OVA and Hideaki Anno's (Of Evangelion fame) first directorial work. It's a pretty weird thing. It starts out as a sort of military academy shows, builds to full super robot and eventually becomes something strange and existential. I didn't completely fall in love with it, but I appreciated it. It has a great emotional ending as well.

It's only 6 episodes, so it's definitely worth looking at.
Click to expand...

That's a nice way to sum things up. Another way to put it is that Gunbuster represents what talented anime fans working in the industry during the 1980s liked the most about the medium back then. It's got a ton of transparent influences and references to previous works (science fiction, space wars, sports competition shows, giant monsters, etc.), but I think it does develop a unique identity. The show is a lot of fun to watch and very emotionally moving.

Without spoiling anything in particular, I think it's very easy to argue that Gunbuster eventually informed both Gurren Lagann as well as Hoshi no Koe itself.

pedro_tex said:
I think I liked Aldonah more because it doesn't take itself as seriously, but there's nothing original in it.
Click to expand...

To elaborate...among the many problems I had with Aldnoah, I thought it was actually too serious for its own good (without being sophisticated enough to pull it off) and Inaho was far too robotic in nature. Chirico from Armored Trooper Votoms (another good older show that more people should watch) did that whole stoic personality better too.
 
JCG said:
Without spoiling anything in particular, I think it's very easy to argue that Gunbuster eventually informed both Gurren Lagann as well as Hoshi no Koe itself.
Click to expand...

Gurren Lagann is very clearly Gainax trying to do Gunbuster again. For me, Gunbuster is much more successful (even if, as I said, it's not a massive favorite of mine) because GL doesn't have the material to fill all those episodes and Imaishi isn't nearly the director that Anno was.
 
yami4ct said:
Gurren Lagann is very clearly Gainax trying to do Gunbuster again. For me, Gunbuster is much more successful (even if, as I said, it's not a massive favorite of mine) because GL doesn't have the material to fill all those episodes and Imaishi isn't nearly the director that Anno was.
Click to expand...

Fair enough. You could also say GL was basically Gunbuster with less 1980s trappings and more Getter Robo plus FLCL vibes. I agree that Imaishi isn't a great storyteller, certainly not compared to Anno at his best, but I can definitely respect his skills as an animator.
 
JCG said:
To elaborate....among the many problems I had with Aldnoah, I thought it was actually too serious for its own good (without being sophisticated enough to pull it off) and Inaho was far too robotic in nature. Chirico from Armored Trooper Votoms (another good older show that more people should watch) did that whole stoic personality better too.
Click to expand...

God damn, yeah. He saw a missile hit the city center and casually said "hey guys, we should move" with that blank expression. That's when I started thinking it wouldn't be as serious as I hoped for, and lowered my expectations instantly.
After that, he did multiple times what no military could do, the emperor ended the armistice the stupidest way possible, and there was that mecha that was just a collage of the previous ones. I was glad I treated it as something dumb and enjoyed my time with it.

After typing this, I think it was just a matter of expectation. I wanted something more from CG and it didn't give me, while I didn't want anything beyond what was being given to me from Aldnoah.
 
JCG said:
Fair enough. You could also say GL was basically Gunbuster with less 1980s trappings and more Getter Robo plus FLCL vibes. I agree that Imaishi isn't a great storyteller, certainly not compared to Anno at his best, but I can definitely respect his skills as an animator.
Click to expand...

Both shows definitely feel like they're attempting to do a 'best of' for the super robot genre of their time period. Ultimately I think GL is let down by the fact it tries to substitute real depth with sheer ridiculous scale and nostalgic references (a problem Imaishi shows continuously beat their head against). Gunbuster on the other hand does something truly new and interesting to give an emotional heft that GL doesn't come close to hitting even if it's 4x as long.

I've grown to really dislike Imaishi's style in general, so some of this is probably that negative bias showing through.
 
Ok screw it... Forget all the 2015 games I want to play before GOTY (Fallout, Witcher, Borderlands, Undertales)... I'm starting a new Mass Effect 2 playthrough.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Counter Strike: Go to the Bomb Site
19
9K
Aintitcool replied
Madden 19 League for PS4 formerly Casual League
1
1K
Swauny Jones replied
  • Locked
Giant Bomb |OT33| LOOK AT THAT CORN!
157 158 159 160 161
8K
756K
mattp replied
  • Locked
Giant Bomb |OTXXX| Fondle it
400 401 402 403 404
20K
1M
OdysseusVA replied
Giant Bomb |OT32| I've been meaning to love a boat
397 398 399 400 401
20K
2M
jambo replied
Top Bottom