I assumed they showed a normal trooper to establish that all Storm Troopers have training in hand-to-hand weapon combat, which explains why Finn can keep up with an injured Kylo.
You might not have noticed it, but your brain did.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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I assumed they showed a normal trooper to establish that all Storm Troopers have training in hand-to-hand weapon combat, which explains why Finn can keep up with an injured Kylo.
You might not have noticed it, but your brain did.
UnemployedVillain
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So why didn't everyone wear that type of armor?
My biggest complaint was regarding the fast pace of the movie. It was over and I felt like I didn't really get to enjoy it. However, it made me want to see it again, so there is that.
After a few days I thought well maybe, they set out to make a good movie, and setup basically the franchise again with potentially 1 SW related film a year. Not only that, but get you excited about a new cast and forget about the old. That, to me, they nailed it.
Regarding trying to just maximize profits, bringing in previous stars for nostalgia and money, I disagree By doing this it truly felt like they were continuing the movies vs the prequels being so distant, different, serious, and off. Not only that, but I thought Carrie Fishers role or acting was terrible, Han looked old, etc. By doing this I felt like it kind of did a curtain call and showed us hey these folks, they made the first over 30 years ago and time and age suck, but here it is. Let's enjoy this get together and move on with these exciting new characters that the original cast get to interact with, almost giving them a nod of approval to pick up the baton.
I no longer want to see the original cast. Maybe Chewie and droids and such, but let's move on to new characters. The new characters, they are potentially going to be pretty good based on this movie.
For the same reason everyone is not wearing the type of armor Phasma is wearing now.
Plot convenience.
unholyrevenger72
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Rare materials probably.
OricWindstar
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Perhaps, but I also noticed that the trooper in charge does nothing of note and leaves me no reason to be excited for her returning in the next film.
My brain and I both noticed that.
Ragnorok64
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Check the wall to the sides of Han and Co. he doesn't just block the bolts, he reflects them. Fairly certain that was a Force power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxdLYWnSzpI#t=2m34s
excelsiorlef
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And by ladies you mean Rey right?
I often wonder, what about teddy bear creatures beating the imperials, your sister giving you a big kiss earlier, and what about that little green guy and all the screen time in the swamp that seemed like a waste with no action? I often thought you folks living through the original movie releases probably were confused to hell about them.
prag16
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The last part of this post is really really hyperbolic. Care to expand? Not loving the very high quantity of drive by negative comments with no explanation in these topics.
Yes there are even more such positive posts, but it's obvious these are threads for fans. Stuff like, "it was bad" *abandons topic* doesn't really add anything of value.
unholyrevenger72
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Blaster Bolts also bounced round in the Death Star's Garbage Compactor. There is no certainty that it's the force.
excelsiorlef
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Agreed it kinda derails the flow of the discussions
lol true. I just think they overemphasized Phasma in the marketing which gave us some weird preconceptions of what her importance was going to be. I think the payoff with the trash compactor scene was better emphasized knowing that Phasma and Finn have a previous relationship instead of just some random stormy.
Your misunderstanding of the source material is not our fault. It was definitely reflected by the influence of the Force, not the suit.
prag16
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We're likely to see a ton of Luke in 8. And that's a good thing. We got a lot of great Han Solo action in this one, and it only worked to enhance the appeal of the new kids, not detract.
OricWindstar
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Oh yeah, it's totally more of a marketing problem than a film problem.
Ragnorok64
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You're saying Vader's Gloves are magnetically sealed like the trash compactor?
Han Solo, Poe Dameron, and random TR8-T0R trooper=Wimps?
Captain Phasma=badass?
Eh. I can see her turning regardless of that.
She's part of a food chain that leads back to the big bad. She's a soldier. I doubt it's personal.
unholyrevenger72
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or at the least have a magnetic field around them.
Again you have no proof.
Ragnorok64
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Not sure why that would be more believable than him just using the Force to do it.
Plasticine
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That stick would have come in handy when Phasma was trying to stop the garbage compactor walls from closing in on her.
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah I never got why people were so convinced it wasn't the force when it would have been the most obvious and believable answer
Bobby Roberts
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This is such a weird argument.
He blocked the bolts and then called the gun to his hand. Why would one be "super magnetic gloves just on the off chance he needs to block gunfire with the palm of his hand" and the other be "The Force?"
Why wouldn't both be "The Force?"
Ragnorok64
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We see people use Force Deflect and Force Absorb on screen in the movies so one can't even say it's just an EU power.
unholyrevenger72
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If he used the force the blaster bolts never would have reached his hands, and he wouldn't have had to raise both of them.
Well what if Darth Vader used magnets to move the gun, huh? Bet you never thought of that!
That seems rather silly; the simplest explanation is also the most fitting: force block, force pull. Done.
unholyrevenger72
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Why would it be an off chance when he never takes of the suit or his prosthetics?
Bobby Roberts
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Until this movie, nobody knew you could just pause a person with the Force, either.
There are a lot of assumptions as to the ruleset of "The Force" that doesn't seem to have much in the way of filmic evidence supporting it.
Why would he have his gloves fitted with the ability to block blaster bolts?
Seriously, step back from this hypothetical pursuing and ask yourself, which is the dumber scenario:
Force User uses The Force to deflect incoming projectile
Force User has special magnetic pads sewed into his leather gloves to block incoming projectiles
Further, how does it improve the storytelling of the scene for that to be the product of an unspoken, ultra-specific bit of equipment used only once in the entire series, as opposed to it being the use of a mystical energy that fuels many of the characters actions.
There are a lot of assumptions as to the ruleset of "The Force" that doesn't seem to have much in the way of filmic evidence supporting it.
Why would he have his gloves fitted with the ability to block blaster bolts?
Seriously, step back from this hypothetical pursuing and ask yourself, which is the dumber scenario:
Force User uses The Force to deflect incoming projectile
Force User has special magnetic pads sewed into his leather gloves to block incoming projectiles
Further, how does it improve the storytelling of the scene for that to be the product of an unspoken, ultra-specific bit of equipment used only once in the entire series, as opposed to it being the use of a mystical energy that fuels many of the characters actions.
BocoDragon
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I guess she's intended to be the Boba Fett of this movie. I think her role is bigger than Boba in any of the movies, isn't it?
(Im excluding kid Boba I mean come on)
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Double post fail. I thought we were posting faster than that ;P
IMO the Force is like god-power and theoretically anything is possible. You just have to be adept at it.
I think 99% of these assumptions come from games like Jedi Knight and KOTOR which made the Force out to be like a series of discrete superhero powers.
IMO the Force is like god-power and theoretically anything is possible. You just have to be adept at it.
FlashbladeGAF
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Vader: See... this way, I don't have to take out my lightsaber everytime.
Emperor: ...
Also the whole First Order deal seemed off to me, the world state is almost verbatim to what it was in ANH, again there's a big organization just straight up brutalizing and mass killing people and again there's a band of rebels oh and they are called The Resistance now.
The introduction of The First Order kind of makes the 'big victory' in RoTJ trivial. These guys have a fucking planet-sized Death Star now, what was the point of winning the 'war' in RoTJ then?
The more I think about the movie, the more dumb it seems.
The introduction of The First Order kind of makes the 'big victory' in RoTJ trivial. These guys have a fucking planet-sized Death Star now, what was the point of winning the 'war' in RoTJ then?
The more I think about the movie, the more dumb it seems.
Unknown Soldier
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The only lady in the film was Rey, unless you count Old Leia who didn't do anything except look sad and worried in every shot.
All stormtroopers are generally of the gender 'stormtrooper' since all you see is the armor. This includes Daniel Craig, making the most random cameo that James Bond could ever make.
flintstryker
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This was a huuge problem of mine with the movie as well that I raised in the other thread, some of the posters notified me that a lot of shit went down between then and now which leads to the scenario we had in the movie, my big problem with that is that the movie did a piss poor job of telling us that.
DrForester
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They should've made the Death Star out of Vader's gloves.
excelsiorlef
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Well Phasma was a woman but literally the biggest complaint was that she wasn't badass.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That's right.
I wish they had spelled out that the First Order was like North Korea, a tyrannical government contained to its own territory after a truce.
Unknown Soldier
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But Phasma was a stormtrooper
flintstryker
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Also I don't think you guys should take the force too seriously, there's another force in DC comics that also conveniently explains away every situation too and that seems to be generally just accepted
excelsiorlef
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Gwendoline Christie was physically in that suit
Rabbit Lord
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I always took it as Vader using the force to block the blaster.
Unknown Soldier
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It wouldn't have mattered if she was or wasn't! All you see is the suit!
unholyrevenger72
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I can accept Vader Blocks it with the force all you have to do is show me the evidence, the official novelization, DVD commentary, interviews whatever. until then at no point in the OT is it shown moving things with the force requires nothing less then near absolute focus and concentration.
Until then Blaster Proof Armor, force pull.
Bobby Roberts
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Ragnorok64
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I hope we get a better handle on the relative sizes of The First Order and Resistance vs The Republic. How much power do any of these factions even have left after the events of this movie?
We're told the Republic was destroyed, but if it's the galactic ruling body there should still be some of its navy left somewhere.
The First Order got Star Killer base and an indeterminate amount of forces blown up. How many more troops do they have left? How many more Star Destroyers? Everything seems to indicate they aren't nearly as large as the Empire but it's kind of impossible to judge their level of threat.
The Resistance's military power is just a big ol' question mark. They still seem to have Admiral Ackbar so does that mean they have access to Mon Calamari capital ships?
I think it'd be fun if part of the next movie is the Resistance and First Order scrambling to ally up respective systems as the galaxy is in chaos from having no Republic.
We're told the Republic was destroyed, but if it's the galactic ruling body there should still be some of its navy left somewhere.
The First Order got Star Killer base and an indeterminate amount of forces blown up. How many more troops do they have left? How many more Star Destroyers? Everything seems to indicate they aren't nearly as large as the Empire but it's kind of impossible to judge their level of threat.
The Resistance's military power is just a big ol' question mark. They still seem to have Admiral Ackbar so does that mean they have access to Mon Calamari capital ships?
I think it'd be fun if part of the next movie is the Resistance and First Order scrambling to ally up respective systems as the galaxy is in chaos from having no Republic.
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