That won't be good idea. Many Star Wars Fans will be probably pissed off if they didn't see Luke Skywalker in this movie. (I know but I am just saying)
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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excelsiorlef
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No I mean that the time jump is the travel time. Maybe it took moths or a year to follow the trail and maybe they didn't leave right away.
No what I mean is VIII scrawl opens with giving us info on what's happened in the universe since Rey left for her journey (but before she got there) and then we pan down to elsewhere fo a bit of Finn/Poe/Leia/Kylo whatever and when we see Luke and Rey for the first time in VIII they are right where we left off at the end if TFA.
That way you get the time skip and see that first interaction in full.
Dubbedinenglish
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He would still be there, like literally the same shot of him in the film without Rey there.
Don't think he'll need it. He'll be sporting a new scar.
Full on Vader 2.0 Cyborg Boogaloo
RumblingRosco
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We really just need a running, bullet point summary of reasons why Ren could logically lose the fight with Rey:
1) He was seriously wounded by a laser bolt to the stomach from Chewbacca's bowcaster, which was shown to shatter Stormtrooper armor previously.
2) He was emotionally/mentally distracted by being pulled to the Light and by just killing his father.
3) He was told by Snoke to bring Rey in alive, so he wasn't literally just trying to kill her.
4) Finn hit him with what was basically a lucky hit, at which point Ren said "yo fuck this" and beat Finn's ass basically instantly. This lucky hit further weakened him for his fight with Rey.
5) He wasn't fully trained by Snoke. This isn't to say Ren was untrained, just that he still had quite a bit more to learn from formal training.
6) He was probably tired due to having consecutive fights (Finn before Rey).
Well, that's all I need. I'll take it at face value.
Well if he really wants to be like Vader elective surgery for cybernetic limbs is a place to start.
CreepingFear
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It's been confirmed to have Rey running up a mountain. She yells "Kylo" like Rocky yelling Drago. Meanwhile, we see a shot of Kylo Ren injecting himself with midichlorians.
Grady Durden
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Well put.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
My list that I made two days ago (?)
- Killed his father, resulting in even more of an emotional mess
- Clean shot on the waist by a bowcaster (metallic bolts)
- Tired because of the consecutive fights (against Finn, for example)
- Right (main) fighting arm nailed with a lightsaber blow from Finn
- Underestimating Rey and not going in with the purpose of killing her (he mentions teaching her - also, Snoke wants him to bring her to him)
Prof. Bathtub
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An ending sans Luke would throw off any suspense over his appearance in Episode 8. Mark Hamill would be all over the trailers, posters, etc. We as the audience would see him before any of the characters would. Having him revealed at the end of 7 is no more of a sequel tease than ending on the search, since the former at least resolves the problem presented in the very first sentence of the crawl.
Still, it is somewhat unfortunate that there is no large gap after the main plot, since most people seem to like these new characters, and now their hands are tied regarding using them in side material.
Still, it is somewhat unfortunate that there is no large gap after the main plot, since most people seem to like these new characters, and now their hands are tied regarding using them in side material.
excelsiorlef
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And yet all those moments were smaller and more subtle and the end duel was down to earth OT style.
Only the PT has overt displays of power for the sake of cool . Which is what the guy I was replying to implied he wanted
unholyrevenger72
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RumblingRosco
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Why you always up in my threads Yoshi?!
But yeah, my list was just a complication of stuff I've read here, not my original ideas. The consecutive fights thing is definitely a legitimate thing to add. Was the bow that Chewbacca used really metal bolts though? I don't recall seeing him reload it ever. It just seemed like a regular blaster that was in the shape of a crossbow but seemed to deal explosive damage instead of just a clean laser blast.
LegalEagleMike
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In the novelization at least it is very clear that Kylo knows who Rey is by the end.
RumblingRosco
Member
Adjusted and added Yoshi's comment about Ren being possibly tired just from having back-to-back fights.
What's different about the novelization?
We are not talking about "flashy", we are talking strictly "overpowered" and so far Kylo takes the cake.
No Jedi or Sith in the past has shown so much resilience or powers such as that. Freezing a blaster shot in mid air? And it looks Kylo wasn't even making much effort on that one.
I'm not complaining though, I loved that shit.
excelsiorlef
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Ok. But I was. Because the guy I was talking to was complaining that everyone was weak and there were no powerful characters in this movie. I said if he wanted displays of OP for the sake if displays of OP watch the PT.
That's all.
These are my thoughts after seeing it last night. Even though most of what is written here is negative, I still enjoyed the movie in a "Transformers" sort of way.
1. This movie was entirely made as a cash grab and had no artistic purpose. Whoever designed the movie did it in the same way big game developers/publishers are making video games nowadays. Their sole focus is "how do we maximize sales" and not "how do we make a great piece of art?" One example of something absolutely pointless that they did was bring the stars of the old films back to this one. It was meant purely as a hype and marketing technique. Out of a nearly infinite number of storylines they could dream up, they chose to rehash old characters? Give me a break. Another example is the simplicity of the story and the relationships between all the different players, which also connects to the old characters being brought back.
Now, I totally understand why they designed it the way they did. They are a company, and companies are meant to make money. Im dissing them for doing what they are supposed to do. The problem that I have with it is the principle that what could be art is solely made to make money. I don't like it and I feel like it makes an inferior product. But it is what it is, I guess.
2. The quality of the characters was all over the place.
I liked Finn, he was funny, relatable (as a guy) and courageous. Not much is known about him, but I feel like he had depth. The problem I have, though, is that his character is useless. He's just some guy who gets caught up in the fight between the First Order and the Rebels. There is nothing special or unique about him besides his courage, which is nice, but courage isn't something special or rare in the Star Wars Universe. His character, with some changes, would have made a better Han Solo replacement than what he is now. Still a main character, but positioned and written differently to be a stronger personality.
Han Solo shouldn't have been in this movie. With some minor changes he could have been completely written out of the story, and that means he shouldn't have played as big of a role as he did, or shouldn't have been in the movie at all. Harrison Ford looked tired and bored, just like he did in the latest Indiana Jones. Watching interviews of him about the movie made me realize how much he just doesn't care about it.
Rey, who is the main character, ruined the movie for me. She has no personality, is not likable in any way and is probably the most 2-dimensional character I have seen in a movie this year. You see her on this inevitable path towards the force, but she doesn't seem to care or know why she is doing what she does. The flashbacks to her parents leaving did nothing to make her any more interesting. And there was the scene when she was walking down the hall towards the lightsaber enclosed in a chest, which you could say was her quite literally finding herself as a character, where she just had this sort of dopey "what the heck am I doing here?" look on her face. After she experienced those out-of-body moments from finding the lightsaber, she chose to run but I honestly cannot fathom why running into a forest alone, on a planet she has been on a whole 10 minutes, would do anything at all to help her think about what she had just experienced. It makes no sense and just adds to my frustration with the character. She doesn't know who she is, what she is doing and why she is doing it, which means I don't care. Her actor is pretty, but is so plain looking that I already can't remember what she looks like. So adding a forgettable character to a forgettable actor really made me dislike Rey.
The one character who I thoroughly enjoyed, even though he got about 10 minutes of screen time, was Poe. His character isn't unique overall (he's just a skilled pilot), but the combination of his persona and the actor who played him really made me feel like he was the embodiment of the spirit of the original trilogy. Every time he was onscreen I got excited. I want to see alot more him.
3. The staring. Was I the only one who noticed multiple times throughout the movie when people just stared at each other for a period of time long enough to make it noticeable? The worst was the last scene.
And that about sums up the main negatives I had with the movie.
Some positives are that it looks amazing and was usually fun to watch. So, yeah. I am putting it on the same level as Transformers and Jurassic World. Watch it because its fun, not because its good.
1. This movie was entirely made as a cash grab and had no artistic purpose. Whoever designed the movie did it in the same way big game developers/publishers are making video games nowadays. Their sole focus is "how do we maximize sales" and not "how do we make a great piece of art?" One example of something absolutely pointless that they did was bring the stars of the old films back to this one. It was meant purely as a hype and marketing technique. Out of a nearly infinite number of storylines they could dream up, they chose to rehash old characters? Give me a break. Another example is the simplicity of the story and the relationships between all the different players, which also connects to the old characters being brought back.
Now, I totally understand why they designed it the way they did. They are a company, and companies are meant to make money. Im dissing them for doing what they are supposed to do. The problem that I have with it is the principle that what could be art is solely made to make money. I don't like it and I feel like it makes an inferior product. But it is what it is, I guess.
2. The quality of the characters was all over the place.
I liked Finn, he was funny, relatable (as a guy) and courageous. Not much is known about him, but I feel like he had depth. The problem I have, though, is that his character is useless. He's just some guy who gets caught up in the fight between the First Order and the Rebels. There is nothing special or unique about him besides his courage, which is nice, but courage isn't something special or rare in the Star Wars Universe. His character, with some changes, would have made a better Han Solo replacement than what he is now. Still a main character, but positioned and written differently to be a stronger personality.
Han Solo shouldn't have been in this movie. With some minor changes he could have been completely written out of the story, and that means he shouldn't have played as big of a role as he did, or shouldn't have been in the movie at all. Harrison Ford looked tired and bored, just like he did in the latest Indiana Jones. Watching interviews of him about the movie made me realize how much he just doesn't care about it.
Rey, who is the main character, ruined the movie for me. She has no personality, is not likable in any way and is probably the most 2-dimensional character I have seen in a movie this year. You see her on this inevitable path towards the force, but she doesn't seem to care or know why she is doing what she does. The flashbacks to her parents leaving did nothing to make her any more interesting. And there was the scene when she was walking down the hall towards the lightsaber enclosed in a chest, which you could say was her quite literally finding herself as a character, where she just had this sort of dopey "what the heck am I doing here?" look on her face. After she experienced those out-of-body moments from finding the lightsaber, she chose to run but I honestly cannot fathom why running into a forest alone, on a planet she has been on a whole 10 minutes, would do anything at all to help her think about what she had just experienced. It makes no sense and just adds to my frustration with the character. She doesn't know who she is, what she is doing and why she is doing it, which means I don't care. Her actor is pretty, but is so plain looking that I already can't remember what she looks like. So adding a forgettable character to a forgettable actor really made me dislike Rey.
The one character who I thoroughly enjoyed, even though he got about 10 minutes of screen time, was Poe. His character isn't unique overall (he's just a skilled pilot), but the combination of his persona and the actor who played him really made me feel like he was the embodiment of the spirit of the original trilogy. Every time he was onscreen I got excited. I want to see alot more him.
3. The staring. Was I the only one who noticed multiple times throughout the movie when people just stared at each other for a period of time long enough to make it noticeable? The worst was the last scene.
And that about sums up the main negatives I had with the movie.
Some positives are that it looks amazing and was usually fun to watch. So, yeah. I am putting it on the same level as Transformers and Jurassic World. Watch it because its fun, not because its good.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
LegalEagleMike
Member
here is a small excerpt:
Switching off his own weapon, Ren extended an arm toward the device lying in the snow. It twitched and then began to vibrate as the Force called to it. Stretching out his hand farther, straining, Ren beckoned powerfully - and the lightsber rose, to come bulleting toward his outstretched fingers.
And past them.
Taken aback, he whirled - to see the weapon land in the hand of a girl standing by a tree. Rey appeared equally shocked that her reach for the device had exceed his. She gazed down at the weapon now resting in her grip.
"It IS you," Ren murmured.
His words unsettled her: Not for the first time, he seemed to know more about her than she did about herself.
igordennis
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I think he's talking about the "it is you" line on the novelization. Which can be interpreted as him recognizing her as the person his master was talking about who has awakened the force.
It shoots metal projectiles that are charged with energy. Gambit's mutant power is a good point of comparison.
Really nice to see the bowcaster depicted as powerfully as it's always been described in RPG stats and expanded fiction.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Not really a big Star Wars fan--but I do enjoy this movie--so I have a question: is there a rule for how the Force works or is it basically just something that the writers can use to explain whatever shenanigans they like since it is so vague?
UnemployedVillain
Member
Basically the latter....
Kylo Ren was told that there had been an awakening in the Force. In this scene he's realizing Rey is the person Snoke was referring to. It's more "It is YOU."
Would he want to sporting alike Snoke scar and I think he will need helmet to hide that he have been wounded from his First Order Army to make them believe that Kylo Ren is invincible?
Stopped reading right there.
Or he can watch this movie. Also plenty Of displays of OP for the sake of displays of OP. This is freaking Star Wars.
excelsiorlef
Member
You seem to be arguing something I'm not arguing.
Only the PT is over indulgent in it's displays of power. Only the PT seems like power for power sake and that's what the poster was seemingly pining for.
Unknown Soldier
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I can't wait to see Dr. Luke's Force assisted hand reattachment surgery
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Fuck me, I still can't fathom how fucking amazing Kylo is. I'm listening to this shit 10 hours a day, pretty much. I've already decorated a part of my house after this guy and I don't even know if Disney will fuck him up in the next episode... WHAT AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE/MONEY.
Also, movie would be complete shit without Kylo. I love Rey, Poe, Finn and BB8, but my god, Kylo is carrying the entire performance of this movie.
Also, movie would be complete shit without Kylo. I love Rey, Poe, Finn and BB8, but my god, Kylo is carrying the entire performance of this movie.
Well I disagree and I provided examples. Sorry you cannot see that.
LegalEagleMike
Member
mebbe.
Another small thing I just recognized was in a sense how each removal of the helmet of kylo also mirrored a moment when he was emotionally exposed. The Rey encounter obvious but the big one was Kylo and Finn seeing each other eye to eye without the mask hiding both of them. It creates a weird yet personal touch to their match up.
Hopefully they explore that down the line
Hopefully they explore that down the line
This is ridiculous. Simplicity in a Star Wars film = Literally nothing but a cash grab?
Thought he had a bright career ahead of him after Jedi as well. Too bad.
And in-universe Chewie isn't even middle aged yet. I think he will stick it all the way thru the new trilogy just because it's so easy to stick a tall stuntman in the suit and the emotional hit of killing Chewie would seem kind of small after Han getting run through.
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's no coincidence that Chewie is the one that went with Rey to find her dad. I agree, he's going to be at her side the whole trilogy.
Bobby Roberts
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Okay, this actually got me to laugh out loud.
Perfect Cha0s
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That's a good trick!
This should be a stage on Dance Dance Revolution.
excelsiorlef
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Unknown Soldier
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Why is the Traitor Stick, better known as the Z6 Riot Baton, not a toy that people can buy yet?
LegalEagleMike
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I heard that his parents ran in the same circle as Palpatine and Vader. Looking forward to the backstory. Bet he is a Knight of Ren soon.
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