PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users

Draft said:
dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.
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Bits N Pieces said:
People buy consoles because their pals bought one and also which is generating the most buzz.

Pre-release
MS - we are not targeting high end graphics
Sony - we are going to make the most powerful console ever.

This isn't brain science or rocket surgery. Sony absolutely nailed the hype before the PS4's release and they have aligned themselves with the biggest new IP's from the third parties so far this gen. Their internal output hasn't been stellar or out of this world but it has been consistent

Trying to theorise why Sony are in the lead is laughable, they knocked it out the park at every opportunity whereas Microsoft fumbled and dropped the ball at every opportunity.

Its not about the games, its about the overall narrative and Sony have been telling better tales than Hans Christian Andersen :)
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This is the biggest reason why the PS4 is so successful, though I don't think you're quite right about MS not targeting high end graphics as the reason.

Nintendo didn't market the Wii U at all and failed to explain to consumers how the console is different from the Wii. Nintendo also had abysmal first party support in the firs year or so of the Wii U's life and didn't really pick up until 2014, and by then it was too late. I've had my Wii U since October 2014 and I have friends who still ask what is that small black box connected to my TV. They don't even know the Wii U exists.

Microsoft left a huge bad taste in consumers mouth with the reveal of the Xbox One. It's the fact that they initially marketed the Xbox One as an entertainment center first and a game console second that pushed so many people away from the Xbox One. Hell, I was one of them and I adored my Xbox 360. That shit storm of initial marketing along with the fact that they didn't announce a new Halo or Gears of War yet only hurt the Xbox One's image. Like the Wii U, the general populace is still horrendously misinformed. I have friends who, until I had to correct them, still thought that you can't play used games on the Xbox One and that you have to be always online.

I'm not a fanboy by any means but the whole "PS4 has no games" is very understandable to me. PS4 has yet to have a God of War, Gran Turismo, New Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance or Jak & Daxter game. Granted some of those are coming out but Nintendo has already pushed out a ton of first party titles and Microsoft has had 3 Forza titles, Halo 5, a Gears of War Remaster, a collection of Rare Games, Killer Instinct, Titan Fall, & Sunset Overdrive. The core of Playstation 4's exclusives has either not come out yet or quickly forgetten (Knack, Killzone Shadow Fall). There are outliers like Bloodborne and Until Dawn but the most hyped PS4 games are not out yet (Uncharted 4, Street Fighter V, The Last Gaurdian, Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5) and some won't be out for a very long time like Shenmue 3 or FF VII Remake.
 
Mass_Pincup said:
People who own a different console or a PC and are looking to buy a PS4?
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Sony does not care about getting PC gamers that likely won't invest in the PS ecosystem beyond a couple exclusives. That's why they are doing exclusive deals that only exclude other consoles and not PC.
 
Raist said:
I dunno, I guess it was to be expected. ND and PD shipped two big games just before the PS4 launched. As for SSM, it's been clear that their main activity has been in a bit of trouble recently (as in before the PS4 launch).
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The SSM situation sucks.

As far as ND and PD, I guess this is just the downside to them releasing games at the end of a generation, which is why a lot of people were kind of annoyed at that.
 
Rymuth said:
Someone's forgetting the infinite power of the cloud(tm).




MS harped on that horsepower as much as they could, we had Penello saying GAF was going to apologize to him when the truth between specs were revealed.
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And that is another clusterfuck of Microsoft's own doing. The cloud very well might be a game changer but it'll be 3 years into this gen before we see the fruits of Cloudgines labour and back at launch we rightly laughed our arses off over the mess MS made.
 
Rymuth said:
Someone's forgetting the infinite power of the cloud(tm).

MS harped on that horsepower as much as they could, we had Penello saying GAF was going to apologize to him when the truth between specs were revealed.
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Instead we apologize for him now.
 
The Baron Count said:
Uhhh dude? I never brought up the XBO to start with but in my opinion it's selling for the same reason. A combination of a solid lineup and people being eager as hell to finally have new hardware.

I think it kind of says more about you that you somehow took this to an XBO place. I'm certainly not engaging in this "bias" argument. I was over that in 2007.

My issues are really applicable to this generation as a whole. It seems like these consoles just took everyone by surprise or something.
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Actually I've been one of the most fair members here regarding XBO, so let's not go down that road. PS4 is turning out to be the more attractive of the two systems for my tastes going forward absolutely, but I don't consider XBO a bad system at the slightest. I've even called out people for (foolishly) saying MS should exit the market b/c no one will miss them.

At the same time that doesn't mean I can't be critical of certain media personalities and their roles in creating fabrication and distorted pictures of strengths and weaknesses between the systems, even if you in particular may not have said what you said as one of the sorts who usually go into that type of tangent in PS4 sales threads. You'll have to forgive me if I misconstrued your comment, but it's been a habit of people usually saying that type of stuff in PS4 sales threads as a way to discredit its sales, usually to prop up XBO even if they don't outright say that b/c it's generally the case 9/10. You might happen to be the 1/10 in such an instance.
 
prwxv3 said:
Sony does not care about getting PC gamers that likely won't invest in the PS ecosystem beyond a couple exclusives. That's why they are doing exclusive deals that only exclude other consoles and not PC.
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You said who gives a shit about the top 10 including only 1 exclusive, I answered. Whether Sony care or not is irrelevant.
 
Damn, and I still need to pick up mine for KH3 and Ace Combat 7. Not to mention the very real possibility of Morpheus being a big seller ($200 or bust).
 
prwxv3 said:
Sony does not care about getting PC gamers that likely won't invest in the PS ecosystem beyond a couple exclusives. That's why they are doing exclusive deals that only exclude other consoles and not PC.
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It's clearly hurting the sales. As you can see from the thread title.

:lol
 
Bits N Pieces said:
We will have to respectively agree to disagree here. They weren't buying it for Knack or Killzone it would have been for COD, FIFA and similar and they were both available on competing hardware.

They were buying into the PS4 because of the buzz it was generating, it being a more powerful console and the absolute clusterfuck of a coup de grâce that Microsoft that themselves in with the disaster that was the Xbox One.

As someone who works in marketing I can only applaud the way Sony has handled everything from reveal to now and I don't have enough palms to put in my face for the way MS mishandled everything. Fair play to Spencer, he has turned it around but its too late now, Sony will just pull further and further away every month.
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I don't think you are disagreeing with me. You defended an illogical point made by another user about how people are buying the system solely for the hardware and not the software, but now you're arguing something completely different lol.

Even if people buy a particular console because they are sold on hype, they are still buying it to play games. They are not buying it for the hardware alone. COD, FIFA etc, these are still games. So if people are buying a console for these titles, for whatever reasons, they are still buying the system for it's software, and not just the hardware. That fact doesn't change simply because they are buying them for games that exist on competing platforms. Multiplatform games, are still….games.

Your separate argument is that marketing and hype are key reasons for why the console is selling, and I don't disagree with that, I do believe those things play a role. However, I do also think it's getting the hype it is because it has all the ingredients to draw in consumers, e.g. good price, better hardware performance and multi platform game versions than the competition, decent exclusives, quick UI, nice trendy features such as streaming, video uploads and editing and so on.
 
Mass_Pincup said:
You said who gives a shit about the top 10 including only 1 exclusives, I answered. Whether Sony care or not is irrelevant.
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Those people should not care because the console is just not for them. Unless they want Sony to completely moneyhat exclusives just so they can buy a new console.
 
Twinsanity said:
And yet, when looking at sales numbers and trends these people you speak of appear to be few and far between.
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I never stated that they were a lot of them, just that in a enthusiast forum like Neogaf there are some people who are in this situation and care. Also PC gaming is many times bigger then console gaming, so few and far between is not what I would call it.

prwxv3 said:
Those people should not care because the console is just not for them. Unless they want Sony to completely moneyhat exclusives just so they can buy a new console.
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Are they not allowed to say that if there were more exclusives games which interest them they would buy the console?
 
The Baron Count said:
Ya know, this fucking "salt" thing has got to be the biggest killer of actual intelligent discussion and debate that we have had in years.

Everybody that doesn't jump on the Sony love bandwagon isn't fucking "salty". Shit is so incredibly childish. As is the personal investment I am seeing from some people in Sony's sales, it's like friggin listening to sports fans talk about how "we're" gonna do this or "we" did that when referencing a team of individuals who don't know nor care about them. Get a grip.

I'm glad this thing is selling. It's good for this entire industry to have a console with this kind of runaway success, but I also feel that Sony themselves have done a piss poor job of supporting the thing with software. The main point being SONY. There are tons of great 3rd party games on the PS4 and that is ultimately what sells consoles, it always has been. However me and many others associate the Playstation brand with a certain level of first party support. An area that Sony has excelled in in every other generation and one where they have been faltering quite a bit this gen so far.

Most of their biggest franchises are MIA, and that is why I personally don't feel like it's a great platform for me at the moment. I buy Playstation consoles for Sony games. I also primarily play on PC so their exclusives are the absolute only thing I have the PS4 for.

I am well aware that many others aren't like this and if it's your one system then the lineup so far has been pretty damn solid, though it really wasn't until 2015 which saw tons of great stuff release for it.

I don't think the whole "it has no games" thing is accurate at all. Obviously that's complete bullshit. But it's also pretty obvious that incredible software isn't REALLY what's moving these things entirely. It seems like people are buying consoles for the hardware more than the software right now, due to being stuck with the 360/PS3 gen for so damn long.

I just want Sony to get their act together and start releasing the games in the franchises that I have cared about for years. The constant delays of Uncharted are really an underline to this point. I am always on board with devs taking time to make games the best they can be, but so far most of their best first party studios haven't even released anything. That's where the disappointment stems from for me personally.

Regardless, it's good that it's successful. I hope it keeps them on the route they are on now rather than the way they were last gen. And I SURE as fuck hope it shows people that consoles aren't going anywhere.
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ive never used the colloquial term 'salt' to mess with somebody, either on the internet, or in real life, but, dude...for anyone who's enthusiastic about how well the Ps4's selling, what is the purpose in raining on their parades? What bad is there in the Ps4 selling so well?

As for its exclusive games, I think that argument doesn't hold all that much merit. First of all, sony shouldn't have to rely on its previously existing IPs to capture audiences and the audiences/fans shouldn't hold on to just those as yearly expectations.

Not only that, but just because a game isn't critically acclaimed doesn't mean it doesn't count as a major release. So, in 2014 off the top of my head there was LBP4 (sucked imo) driveclub (fucked at launch but a good game imo) and infamous second son which is a really short game but a game I think a lot folks dug.

Then this past year, we had bloodborne, which was critically acclaimed and as much as people like to write it off as niche, it sold 2 million copies, the souls series has already sold like 10 million copies and dark souls 3 is one of the most anticipated games for this year. Then there was the order 1886 (sucked but still demonstrated Ps4's prowess) baseball, rocket league (which is an Indy and a timed exclusive but who cares? It was a breakout hit that started on playstation) and until dawn, which a lot of people thought would flop commercially and be panned; turns out the reviews were good, people liked it, and it did better than the devs thought, just like rocket league.

And now it's just getting better. This year, a lot a lot a lot better. Ps4's been worth owning since day 1 in my opinion. Same with xbone - for those who prefer xbox exclusives.
 
slavesnyder said:
It's niche, but for a bunch of PS-users, this game will be the point where they just have to enter this gen.
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The Last Guardian is going to HAVE to be a huge loss at this point. I mean, it has to be, right? The development time was too long for it to have not been a money pit.

Still, if it matches its predecessors it will be a special game that really brings the praise.
 
I think theres some reasons to buy a PS4. I was deciding between a $300 PC and a PS4 and got a PS4 since I never had a playstation before and was really interested in the Uncharted trilogy and The Last of Us. Also remote play is huge for me since I like playing games in weird places like in bed or taking a shit. And I could even play my ps4 at my friends house with very little lag.
 
Mass_Pincup said:
I never stated that they were a lot of them, just that in a enthusiast forum like Neogaf there are some people who are in this situation and care. Also PC gaming is many times bigger then console gaming, so few and far between is not what I would call it.



Are they not allowed to say that if there were more exclusives games which interest them they would buy the console?
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PC gaming =/= Console gaming. Two different markets entirely.
 
it's deserve.,.in the sense that they managed to not fuck up everything like their competition did..

still i would prefer sony not to win by such a large margin..since we know what happens when sony gets cocky
 
bman94 said:
This is the biggest reason why the PS4 is so successful, though I don't think you're quite right about MS not targeting high end graphics as the reason.

Nintendo didn't market the Wii U at all and failed to explain to consumers how the console is different from the Wii. Nintendo also had abysmal first party support in the firs year or so of the Wii U's life and didn't really pick up until 2014, and by then it was too late. I've had my Wii U since October 2014 and I have friends who still ask what is that small black box connected to my TV. They don't even know the Wii U exists.

Microsoft left a huge bad taste in consumers mouth with the reveal of the Xbox One. It's the fact that they initially marketed the Xbox One as an entertainment center first and a game console second that pushed so many people away from the Xbox One. Hell, I was one of them and I adored my Xbox 360. That shit storm of initial marketing along with the fact that they didn't announce a new Halo or Gears of War yet only hurt the Xbox One's image. Like the Wii U, the general populace is still horrendously misinformed. I have friends who, until I had to correct them, still thought that you can't play used games on the Xbox One and that you have to be always online.

I'm not a fanboy by any means but the whole "PS4 has no games" is very understandable to me. PS4 has yet to have a God of War, Gran Turismo, New Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance or Jak & Daxter game. Granted some of those are coming out but Nintendo has already pushed out a ton of first party titles and Microsoft has had 3 Forza titles, Halo 5, a Gears of War Remaster, a collection of Rare Games, Killer Instinct, Titan Fall, & Sunset Overdrive. The core of Playstation 4's exclusives has either not come out yet or quickly forgetten (Knack, Killzone Shadow Fall). There are outliers like Bloodborne and Until Dawn but the most hyped PS4 games are not out yet (Uncharted 4, Street Fighter V, The Last Gaurdian, Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5) and some won't be out for a very long time like Shenmue 3.
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THIS is what I was clumsily trying to say. Thank you.

jhmtehgamr20xx said:
Actually I've been one of the most fair members here regarding XBO, so let's not go down that road. PS4 is turning out to be the more attractive of the two systems for my tastes going forward absolutely, but I don't consider XBO a bad system at the slightest. I've even called out people for (foolishly) saying MS should exit the market b/c no one will miss them.

At the same time that doesn't mean I can't be critical of certain media personalities and their roles in creating fabrication and distorted pictures of strengths and weaknesses between the systems, even if you in particular may not have said what you said as one of the sorts who usually go into that type of tangent in PS4 sales threads. You'll have to forgive me if I misconstrued your comment, but it's been a habit of people usually saying that type of stuff in PS4 sales threads as a way to discredit its sales, usually to prop up XBO even if they don't outright say that b/c it's generally the case 9/10. You might happen to be the 1/10 in such an instance.
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Honestly not trying to go down any road so I apologize if I caused offense. I see the people you're talking about on here, so I understand, but no. I'm certainly not one of them.
 
Spman2099 said:
The Last Guardian is going to HAVE to be a huge loss at this point. I mean, it has to be, right? The development time was too long for it to have not been a money pit.

Still, if it matches its predecessors it will be a special game that really brings the praise.
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Except for a few franchise, development in Japan is not as expensive as in the West. I remember that Yoshida said that it didn't cost that much.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...e-last-guardian-says-shuhei-yoshida/#/slide/1

Twinsanity said:
PC gaming =/= Console gaming. Two different markets entirely.
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Based on what?
 
TsuWave said:
destiny is better enjoyed with others. go to the community thread here on gaf, get recruited and you'll have a blast
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My gaming time is so few and far between that playing with others would almost be impossible. Once the baby starts screaming, I have to stop.

So it's not a great game to play solo? So far I'm level 5 and... it's alright. Enemies feel pretty bullet spongy. Not a lot of ways to maneuver in battle so I mostly hide behind a wall while I reload, then pop out to take a few shots. I'm playing a Warlock and my L1+R1 attack has a HUGE cooldown for the very little damage it does :(
 
The Artisan said:
ive never used the colloquial term 'salt' to mess with somebody, either on the internet, or in real life, but, dude...for anyone who's enthusiastic about how well the Ps4's selling, what is the purpose in raining on their parades? What bad is there in the Ps4 selling so well?

As for its exclusive games, I think that argument doesn't hold all that much merit. First of all, sony shouldn't have to rely on its previously existing IPs to capture audiences and the audiences/fans shouldn't hold on to just those as yearly expectations.

Not only that, but just because a game isn't critically acclaimed doesn't mean it doesn't count as a major release. So, in 2014 off the top of my head there was LBP4 (sucked imo) driveclub (fucked at launch but a good game imo) and infamous second son which is a really short game but a game I think a lot folks dug.

Then this past year, we had bloodborne, which was critically acclaimed and as much as people like to write it off as niche, it sold 2 million copies, the souls series has already sold like 10 million copies and dark souls 3 is one of the most anticipated games for this year. Then there was the order 1886 (sucked but still demonstrated Ps4's prowess) baseball, rocket league (which is an Indy and a timed exclusive but who cares? It was a breakout hit that started on playstation) and until dawn, which a lot of people thought would flop commercially and be panned; turns out the reviews were good, people liked it, and it did better than the devs thought, just like rocket league.

And now it's just getting better. This year, a lot a lot a lot better. Ps4's been worth owning since day 1 in my opinion. Same with xbone - for those who prefer xbox exclusives.
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I just think it's a little weird to be so invested in the sales of something. I used the sports comparison because I also think it's weird to be invested in a team like that. I am invested insofar as I want all three of these systems to sell a zillion units, because the idea of a console less future is awful to me, but picking a "team" here is what bugs me out.

All I was really saying is it doesn't currently have much to offer me. I only bought one a few months ago for that reason and the fact that this year very much DOES have a lot to offer me.

I would have bought the fucking thing for Nier alone.
 
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