Honestly I took it to mean they were referring to Q1/Q2 releases.
PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users
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Honestly I took it to mean they were referring to Q1/Q2 releases.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Who could have thought?
We don't know anything about it right now, so I think it's far too early to say anything about it.
Hard to say due to recent Holiday sales. No clue. "Around half of what PS4 is at" is probably the best estimation.
Anyway, the PS4 "has no games" is such a lazy/silly thing to say. Why can't people simply say the PS4 has no games that they are interested in? Was easy for me to say before 2016.
It's obvious that the PS4 is selling from multiplats. Saying one system "doesn't have games" is pretty much the same as saying no systems this gen have games. And this year (2016) is looking far too good to make that statement about any console with third party support (many games including exclusives coming soon).
DeepEnigma
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"Has no games" is the juvenile, trolling, stealth warz statement.
joecanada
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the only ball sony dropped was on price. phat ps3 was the best, the only thing that hurt them was price.
Papacheeks
Banned
I actually never had a phat PS3, I had a slim model, but heard they were like heaters.
Crimson_Gold
Member
The phat was amazing. It had everything. I miss my PS3 phat so much. The spiderman font and the bezel. Amazing
Of course Nintendo needs first party to survive since all third parties have jumped ship. That's the reason the Wii U has sold anything, it's strictly from first party support. In this case, exclusives has literally sold consoles.
3 racing games in 2 years is not a waste of resources. The main series, Forza Motersport is released every two years since the first game. That pace was going to continue regardless so no resources wasn't going to be wasted since it was on pace. The spin-off series, Horizon, was created by a studio made specifically to make this series, so again resources aren't being wasted since all Forza games that's been on Xbox One has been critical and commercial successes.
You are right that I forgot to mention the Nathan Drake Collection and The Last of Us Remaster however them getting more buzz than Rare Replay and Gears of War Ultimate Edition is highly debatable.
Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive definitely is not in the same category as Knack and Killzone. Titanfall has a sequel on the way while we have heard no word about a sequel to Knack nor a new game in the Killzone franchise. Sunset Overdrive is still constantly talked about on Xbox centered posts on this forum (just look at the Xbox biggest sale thread and how many people wanted Sunset Overdrive) and Sunset Overdrive was more critically praised than Knack or Killzone Shadow Fall.
Bloodborne and Until Dawn outliers because they are some of the very few exclusive games to the PS4 that actually pushed the console as of now. Those titles definitely pushed some sales out while we can't say the same for other exclusive titles (maybe Nathan Drake Collection).
There's no mention of hundreds of smaller titles because it's not worth mentioning those titles. Wii U has strong indie support as well as catelog of older games via virtual console. Xbox One has smaller, some even free to play games, and when you open up the fact it has backwards compability now with a increasingly growing list, Xbox One probably has the most smallest titles out of any of the big three. So all consoles have small titles, that's nothing new.
It's pretty easy for Sony to have the right idea when its competitors had two completely off base ideas. Nintendo had the right idea the Wii. It was a huge commercial success, but that doesn't mean it had the stronger library of games compared to the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And I'm not saying that having a little more power than Xbox One didn't help it but I'm saying that the biggest reason for Sony being where they at now is because of the blunders of Nintendo and Microsoft. If Microsoft didn't fall flat on its face with all the kinect and Tv integration and used the resources that the kinect ate up for more powerful hardware we'd be looking at totally different number right now.
Best griller on the market.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Still have mine from 08, and it still works (after a reflow in 2013). Sits below the PS4 on a different shelf.
Trogdor1123
Member
I'm not sure what the point of this post is, anyone fill me in? A meme?
My older gaming bretheren at it again I see. Ain't this the truth.
Although, every once in a while a game creeps up and slays your "defenses" one way or another.
joecanada
Member
they blew out a ton of heat, would heat my whole theatre room, but that doesn't have anything to do with all the features, options, tech they had in them.
edit - to be clear I am not saying PS3 was the best console ever or something (it is one of my personal favorites) but this rhetoric of PS3 was a huge misstep is annoying, it's put out as though they made a piece of shit and then they had to climb out of a hole. The mistake was that consumers didn't want to fork out 649 (Canada) for a high end system. this has been tried and failed before but I guess they thought 600 was just in the range that would work.
I would have loved a 600 dollar ps4 but I know that for sony to do well they have to hit that 400 sweet spot. But gaf would have loved the 600 dollar version of ps4, I know it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
My older gaming bretheren at it again I see. Ain't this the truth.
Although, every once in a while a game creeps up and slays your "defenses" one way or another.
So true, lol.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
in 2012, everyone was predicting that consoles were dead because phones and tablets were gonna kill the PS4/XB1. It was near impossible to have a conversation about next-gen without some moron bringing them up in a vain attempt to sound knowledgeable.
Who have thought that people would still wanna play CoD with a fucking controller?
Printer settings was a great loss with the PS4.
If it was completely different making a Xbox One game vs making PS4 & PC games I know for sure that some devs would make the choice to make PS4/PC only if the PS4 keep pulling away like this.
It's already happening there is almost 2X as many games on PS4 as it is on Xbox One & they both came out the same month & it's just as easy to make a game on Xbox One as it is on PS4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games
pixellated_man
Member
Fantastic post. If only more people could put forward their dissatisfaction in this way rather than post disingenuous arguments like 'no games' etc. than I'm sure there wouldn't be the reactions that you describe as 'childish'.
Even though I am satisfied with my launch day ps4 I do agree that Sony's first party output has been slow and erratic in terms of quality. However, with the games announced for release this year I think this issue will be addressed in short time. If people still put forward statements like 'sony needs to start releasing game's' at mid point of this year than they deserve the derision that you describe in your post.
Chezzymann
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I dont think they're close to being dead, but they are on a steady decline due to the loss of the casual market and kids. When its all said and done this generation will be lucky to match the sixth generation in sales.
Sony really played their hand beautifully with the PS4, and it all started at the reveal in New York. They didn't confuse people like Nintendo with Wii U and they didn't piss anyone off like MS did.
2016 could really be it's defining moment, with PSVR hitting along with the wave of exclusives coming all throughout the year.
2016 could really be it's defining moment, with PSVR hitting along with the wave of exclusives coming all throughout the year.
Just because PS4 has double the install base doesn't mean there isn't money to be made on Xbox One even if it was harder to develop for.
Some indies already don't go on Xbox one just because of the parity clause, so I'm not sure it would make a huge difference.
get2sammyb
Member
That's not true. The main difference is that Sony makes a global product while Microsoft doesn't care about appealing to anyone outside of UK and North America.
But i think it is. Waste of resources and Forza franchises are in decline for sure. The heck, Forza 5, Forza 6 and Forza Horizon 2 combined probably are in same ballpark in sales like GT6. Forza franchises need a break.
joecanada
Member
Lol I'm just messing with you, but the "salt" posts when used correctly, some people obviously don't know what it refers to, is people who are bitter and cry bitter , salty tears ... not for specific posts like yours. It is pretty easy to tell which is which, the difference between
"cmon I can't wait anymore for UC4" or "I just wish uncharted was out" is a whole lot different than
"no gamezz"
but honestly your speech about sports teams did sound a little bit bitter, I mean why does it bother you if others are excited about something or want to belong to a club or a group?
If you wanted like say a dozen Sony exclusives, why didn't you just wait and buy one for cheaper a bit later?? I'm just curious because I bought my ps4 for destiny (sadly) bf4, and fallout, but got bloodborne say as a bonus.
Trogdor1123
Member
They care, the markets just don't care about them. That's a big difference.
What company would want to cut 1/2 their market and just not care? It's a strategy that a massive firm like ms wouldn't do on hardware.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
There's no evidence for this though is there? Both the PS4 and XB1 are selling faster than their predecessors. And no, this won't match the previous generation in sales, because the previous gen included the Wii which was a cultural phenomenon/fad. The people that made the Wii popular never bought consoles before and likely never will again. This doesn't mean phones and tablets are taking over.
Trogdor1123
Member
Forza does need a break I agree. Great games but a total revamp could really invigorate the series.
If they cared they would not make their products focus on just those markets.
World wide reveal, lets talk about the TV services, ( by the way they only work in USA )
Seems stupid at best, retarded at worst
AstroNut325
Member
It should be required that every time a console sale thread is made, the prediction thread from 2011/2012 is linked in the OP.
Trogdor1123
Member
It's two different markets that exist along side one another and don't really compete. The supplement each other. That's my viewpoint any ways
get2sammyb
Member
I'm sorry, but calling European and Asian nations Tier 2 and constantly peddling American military men in bulky armour as your device's defining characteristics does not present a particularly global image.
You can't just blame the market for not paying attention when Microsoft makes abundantly clear that they only really covet America and its lap dog and will take whatever else they can get as a bonus.
Acquiescence
Member
I think they do care, they're just completely unable to. Look how hard they tried to win over the Japanese with the OG Xbox and the 360 at the start of its life cycle. They were grabbing all those JRPGs and making them exclusive to the system in a committed effort to gain marketshare in that particular country. Of course it didn't really pan out for them in the end, but you can't say they didn't try.
Trogdor1123
Member
That doesn't mean they don't care at all, they are focused where more money is and they have limited resources or options to be everything to everyone. Not caring is entirely different.
I am not saying they dont care AT ALL, obviously they care about money and more customers will bring that.
However the perception they left from they reveal was pretty telling, that every other market was an after thought more than anything else, maybe even ignorant thinking they could ride the wave of 360.
What was the uptake rate for Kinect on 360 when it released. What %age of 360 owners bought a Kinect when it came out? I only ask because Sony will be sitting at about 40 million PS4 users when PSVR hits. If 1 in 40 buy into it in the first year that's a million PSVR sales, which from all accounts would make it a decent success.
If PSVR comes out in the price ranges being most talked about $300 to $400ish I just think that 1 in 40 seems very doable. Surely, when the holy grail moment of tech hits accessibility level for many consumers who already have the console that more than enough enthusiasts will be there to snap it up. I think it will sell to more than 1 in 40 PS4 owners. It seems good enough with enough support from some surprisingly good looking native VR games, and support from huge games like GT Sport, that I just can't see it being a flop.
I think Sony could be on to a winner with PS4 and PSVR. I think it could hit the ground running and of course word of mouth and real life hands on demos amongst friends and family will be the real excitement driver for VR, advertising just doesn't quite get across the brevity of the situation that VR is now actually relatively affordable and available to all, at last. See it take off.
My prediction, hold me to it. Will change avatar or whatever to reflect my defeat if totally wrong.
If PSVR comes out in the price ranges being most talked about $300 to $400ish I just think that 1 in 40 seems very doable. Surely, when the holy grail moment of tech hits accessibility level for many consumers who already have the console that more than enough enthusiasts will be there to snap it up. I think it will sell to more than 1 in 40 PS4 owners. It seems good enough with enough support from some surprisingly good looking native VR games, and support from huge games like GT Sport, that I just can't see it being a flop.
I think Sony could be on to a winner with PS4 and PSVR. I think it could hit the ground running and of course word of mouth and real life hands on demos amongst friends and family will be the real excitement driver for VR, advertising just doesn't quite get across the brevity of the situation that VR is now actually relatively affordable and available to all, at last. See it take off.
My prediction, hold me to it. Will change avatar or whatever to reflect my defeat if totally wrong.
Trogdor1123
Member
That doesn't mean they don't care. It means they made some bad choices for sure but you can be certain that ms would love to dominate each market. They just lack the resources to make it happen or are busy playing catch up where its easiest right now.
That shouldn't stop is from wildly speculating. Based on what we know, I think it will be a massive success!
Trogdor1123
Member
God that reveal was bad... I was going to get an Xbox this time around till that happened... Just awful.
Anyways, like you said, they do care and want to care but they are kinda behind the 8 ball right now.
Microsoft was never truly successful in other countries regardless, which is probably why they don't even bother anymore. Anybody remember those exclusive JRPGs for Xbox 360 that got quickly forgotten?
Each Forza since 5 has sold at the very least a million copies and I'm not sure if that's even including the Xbox 360 versions of 5 and Horizon 2. And honestly they don't really need a break because both series offer completely different expereinces. Forza Motorsport is strictly a racing simulator and Forza 6 it doing over a million since its release is pretty damn good. Forza Horizon 2 is an open world racing gaming that's a lot less realistic than the main series. It's a much of a difference between 2D Mario and 3D Mario. Both are platformers but they offer different styles of play.
edit: I maybe a little biased towards the Forza series since Horizon got me hooked, I'm loving the hell out of Forza Horizon 2 and I plan on getting Forza 6 soon. I kinda wish they get a third studio going so the development cycles of Horizon and the main series go even longer and have another new racing experience.
get2sammyb
Member
But they also dropped them like a hot brick once they got Final Fantasy. I get what you're trying to say, and there may be some truth in it, but you have to make long-term efforts to make in-roads. You can't just buy up a bunch of JRPGs and then think all is well in the world.
Look at PlayStation - it's still a major Champion's League sponsor despite dominating in Europe, because it knows it needs to stay relevant in that market. Sony's been pushing the brand relentlessly in this territory since 1995 - and that's what you have to do if you want to reap these kinds of rewards.
Right. So, the launch didn't hinder them, then - the problem is their attitude. After all, you're not going to get anywhere if you've already given up.
Lacking resources? the years of planning and putting it in place, they never realized they lacked resources, riding the wave or 360?
I don't buy the resource argument.
If the PS4 has no games, and the X1 released less games than the PS4 did, does that mean the X1 has negative games?
The Baron Count
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Wasn't trying to complain but that is how it came off. I was mainly annoyed at the "salt" thing that keeps popping up. I get that it's being used with posters that I guess are notorious for coming in threads like these and shitting on them or something, but I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt if I can and seeing people being dismissive of others instead of just ignoring them rubs me the wrong way.
Lol I'm just messing with you, but the "salt" posts when used correctly, some people obviously don't know what it refers to, is people who are bitter and cry bitter , salty tears ... not for specific posts like yours. It is pretty easy to tell which is which, the difference between
"cmon I can't wait anymore for UC4" or "I just wish uncharted was out" is a whole lot different than
"no gamezz"
but honestly your speech about sports teams did sound a little bit bitter, I mean why does it bother you if others are excited about something or want to belong to a club or a group?
If you wanted like say a dozen Sony exclusives, why didn't you just wait and buy one for cheaper a bit later?? I'm just curious because I bought my ps4 for destiny (sadly) bf4, and fallout, but got bloodborne say as a bonus.
Well, I guess it bothers me because I am a very easily agitated person. Not trying to be a smartass either, that's just kind of the truth.
And I did just that actually. I got it a couple months ago because after Sony's E3 I knew I friggin needed one for this year. However I was super excited for the PS4 before it came out and have desperately wanted a reason to get one for years, it always bummed me out not being able to justify it until recently. I'm not pissed at Sony or anything, it came off that way earlier I guess because I wasn't in a great mood.
I'm actually just relieved to see the lineup for this year, of course I wish it didn't take so long, but I shouldn't hold it against them. There are good reasons for these things that have been pointed out to me.
Also that picture actually made me laugh.
Forza 6 over a million with much larger install base objectively is not good. Especially when Forza 5 sold more at smaller user base.