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Just wait until impulse-driven OLEDs become the norm. (please?)
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Moth eye? Sharp gonna sue somebody.
Just wait until impulse-driven OLEDs become the norm. (please?)
The flagship OLED G6 is supposed to be "under $10,000" so somewhere around $9K. The 65" E6 is up for preorder on Amazon for $7K.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O5F86W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O5F86W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
They still have the B6 and C6 that are the budget models. Cnet said the flat B6 doesn't support 3D but the LG website lists the flat with 3D but the curved C6 without.
Exentryk
Member
Looks like the B6 and C6 don't have those sound bars. I don't care for 3D, so B6 could most definitely work, provided the image quality is nearly the same as other better models, and if these TVs have other stuff I want (display port 1.3, lowish input lag, etc). Since the better models are coming out in Q1, hopefully we get some detailed reviews soon.
Hopefully we find out price, and input lag, soon. This waiting for information is the worst.
DJ Lushious
Member
I've a Kuro Elite 9G, too. The picture quality is still drool-worthy. How bad is the motion on OLEDs, though? Would it be instantly noticeable? Or different tech, so different rules?That's why I still have my Pioneer KURO 9G
Boards of Canada
Member
Regarding UHD Blu-ray, am I reading this right that most movies are mastered in 2k, and therefore most movies will be upscaled to 4k on these discs?
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I think I'll probably pull the trigger on the 40" Samsung UN40JU7500 curved display in the next month or so, to be used almost exclusively with my PS4, Xbox One, and WiiU.
This will be going in a small office, so I can't do any larger. I'll use a separate soundbar for sound. For gaming, would anyone recommend anything else?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TWFHFF2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
This will be going in a small office, so I can't do any larger. I'll use a separate soundbar for sound. For gaming, would anyone recommend anything else?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TWFHFF2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
B6 is curved though which is shit!
Flat + 3D (LG passive 3d on 4k sets is the best by far) >>>>>>>>> curve
I didn't think the motion on the EF9500 was bad at all. Quite good, actually. My experience is an old 2008 Panasonic Plasma, and the JS9500, so take it for what it's worth.
Nothing is CRT clean though. Sadly.
Exentryk
Member
The lg website only shows C6 as the curved one. B6 is flat.
I kind of want 3D because people seem to be pretty excited about it these days. But it leaves the question as to how it gets adopted from here on out.
On the other hand I really don't need a sound bar. And I prefer flat too. They are making it pretty difficult.
Not to mention all is irrelevant if the input lag isnt acceptable.
On the other hand I really don't need a sound bar. And I prefer flat too. They are making it pretty difficult.
Not to mention all is irrelevant if the input lag isnt acceptable.
I don't understand the inclusion of a sound bar, other than it looks pretty to the masses in pictures. It's big, bulky, and odds are anyone in the market with an OLED budget has spent the money on real speakers.
Hell, I wish I could get a TV without speakers.
Yep, why they always ruin it somehow?
Yeah I agree. Hopefully the C and B 3D support thing can get cleared up soon enough.
Seems weird to remove it from either of them.
I hate to beat the motion resolution dead horse, but if you were turned off by LCD's implementation of sample and hold then OLED won't win you over. It has faster response time, but that doesn't end up meaning much in day-to-day use. If only Sony would get more serious about their impulse mode, make a conscious effort to increase light output to an acceptable level, and market the hell out of it the industry would (likely) follow.
Outside of CRT, Pioneers and 2011 and beyond Panasonic plasmas are still king -- both measurably and to my eyes. Still, I'm convinced that flat panel motion handling is highly subjective so YMMV.
Someone else mentioned PS4 being the cheapest at $600, most high-end standalone units were anywhere from $800-1200 retail at the time. The Samsung BD-P1000 my uncle bought in June 2006 was $899.
Darryl M R
Member
Does the new Sony flagship tv look promising? You would avoid having to buy the UHD bluray player since Sony will have their own streaming/downloading system for UHD content it seems.
Jigolo
Member
Ultra looks like another Sony streaming service that's about to fail. Can't really say anything about the TV atm
Pagusas
Elden Member
The 940D looks exactly like the 940c without the side speakers. Overall doesnt seem they changed much. Still their version of Quantum dot, still same HDR compliance (No Dolby Vision), same Dynamic Range Expansion software. The only difference seems to be they found a way to radically reduce the size of the FALD system to make a thinner tv.
Darryl M R
Member
Any reason why you think it will fail? I don't see it being very popular but it is also an in-house streaming system so it would only work with Sony TVs. For someone that doesn't buy dvds and prefer digital purchases I can see it working well as long as they support it and have new content.
Oh wow didn't know they kept that much the same. Also looking at it I would be looking at the X930D (55in); do you have anything to say on this model and I'm assuming it follows the same theme of reusing last year technology?
Pagusas
Elden Member
I do not know about the 930d yet, the 930c was actually an edge lit display (you could only get Sony FALD with the 940c), they may have brough FALD to the 930d though, not sure.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
LG EC930
Question regarding smartshare.
I am watching videos that i have on my external HDD that is connected to my TV, they are dual audio. I'd like to access the settings of Smartshare but it says :
DivX VOD
Registration of device is required before playing DivX protected video
I can then either choose registration or deregistration
I choose the first one and then it says i need to register the device to play Divx protected video and they give me a registration code. I register it at http://vod.divx.com but then i need to download something but the browser on the tv says it can't download stuff.
How do i access these settings? Or can i just access quick settings while playing a video? If so, how?
Question regarding smartshare.
I am watching videos that i have on my external HDD that is connected to my TV, they are dual audio. I'd like to access the settings of Smartshare but it says :
DivX VOD
Registration of device is required before playing DivX protected video
I can then either choose registration or deregistration
I choose the first one and then it says i need to register the device to play Divx protected video and they give me a registration code. I register it at http://vod.divx.com but then i need to download something but the browser on the tv says it can't download stuff.
How do i access these settings? Or can i just access quick settings while playing a video? If so, how?
I currently have 1080p receivers and HDTVs. I would like to upgrade my home theater equipment, but I'm not sure if standards are finalized yet. I noticed a lot of early adopters of 4K displays only get the resolution, but not the expanded colors or HDR. Can somebody give a breakdown?
Pagusas
Elden Member
Early 4k tv's were that in resolution only, hell some didnt even have support for hdmi2.0, leaving them basically crippled to except 4k with 4:2:0 at best.
Most 2015 4k screens still fall well short of current and future standards, some not seeing full rec.709 compliance, few being 90%+ DCI, and none being full bt.2020.
The highend flagships of 2015, basically the Samsung UHD 9500 serries and Sony's 75"940c both support HDR decoding and display (But only the basic standard and not a 2nd layer like Dolby Vision, however at CES sony basically made it sound like the support the 940c and now 940d have will allow them to show hdr uncompromised, curious how that will work..). Both the Sony and Samsung flagships are 100% 709 compliant, 90%+ DCI, and 70%+ Bt.2020 capable.
So if you want to upgrade your HT right NOW and be moderately futureproofed for the next 5 years, you'll need to pay flagship money. I decided to and spent 7k on my 75" x940c after trying out loads of Tv's (including some OLED's and the 78" 9500 from Samsung).
I have lots of reasons to have such a screen though (this is my job and what I love). I would not recommend jumping in just yet at these prices, even with sony reducing the x940c to 5999 (the 930c and samsungs 9100 and lower all are either edge lit or non-fald direct lits).
Wait till next year to jump in once Dolby Vision (or equivalent) is officially supported and implemented by all the major brands.
X930D is edge lit. Only the X940D is FALD.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Well there you go then. The 2016 line from sony is basically just the 2015 line in a new shell. Nothing wrong with that, the x940c is the most amazing 75" screen available, the D will be even better with no side spearkers, and the x930c is a great edge lit that punches way above the tech its made of. Still wouldnt buy an edge lit to save my life though.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Thats like saying the x930 can decode and display HDR. Yes it can, does it look good? Nope.
If you want HDR and want it to look like its suppose to, you need a FALD screen of an OLED capable of the specs brightness requirments.
Darryl M R
Member
Why wouldn't you buy edgelit? Just want to know so I can be an informed consumer. I'm willing to drop multiple thousands on a TV but if this is nothing but a 2015 reskin then it might be worth me waiting another year (but I've been saying "I'll wait next year" for 2 years now).
Thanks for the breakdown. I think it's a good call to wait it out at least one more year. Let's see Ultra-HD bluray has to offer before I take the plunge, since that would be the only real way get the "full" 4k experience.
Pagusas
Elden Member
3 reasons.
1. Screen Uniformity. Edge lits are a disaster in this area, even the best of the best Samsung 7100 comes to mind) suffer from brighter edges and dimmer centers. Dirty Screen Effect, while sufferable for FALD screens too, is much more severe on edge lits, primarily because they are manufactored cheaper.
2. Black Level - FALD's are great and expensive because you can litterally turn off a specific region of the screen to create a true black. Its wonderful watching my x940c in 100% black as its capable of being true black. Watching letterbox movies at night is perfect as the black letterboxing is always 100% true black, you cant even tell the TV extends past the picture (in true darkness). Edge lits cant do this, they can still dim portions of the edige lighting to create a semi-fald look, but it doesnt do the job near as well. The x930c is the best edge lit screen I've ever seen and even it cant product a true black unless its on a 100% black screen (at which point it just turns off its backlight). These backlights come into play for HDR, as with a FALD they will punch up the brightest region of the screen, taking it 110-120% brighter than your backlight brightness setting, making your bright areas of the screen amazingly bright. Combine that with your dark areas being amazingly dark, you have an insanely better looking scene (some life of Pie scenes are just plane amazing, sadly we have very few HDR demos right now). SOME edgelits can try mimicking this behaviour (the 930c can) but it doesnt look good as there is no fine control.
3. Light Bleed - this is a QA issue of lower cost screens, edgelits are most susceptible to light bleeding out the edge of the screen, sometimes reflected in super bright edges, other times as a litteral bright light peaking through the edge you can see at certain angles.
Just to be inclusive and fair, Edge lits have advantages over FALD screens too:
1. Thinner, as the lights can be tucked into the side bezzel you can make a razor thin screen.
2. Lighter, less hardware, no FALD controller, smaller power suply, makes the screens lighter (by alot, my x940c is nearly 130lbs, an 80" edge lit can be under 80lbs)
3. Less power - Fald screens take more power, edge lits less.
4. Cheap - WAY cheaper, to buy and produce. They are the most common screens out there.
SlaughterX
Banned
Pretty sure the ju7100s are full array, according to cnet
Pagusas
Elden Member
You are correct, the 7100 is direct lit, and can turn off 1/2 its screen at a time. I miss stated it as the ju8500, which is the edge lit.
It looks good to me. I have a JS8500 and have viewed some HDR encoded content it looks great to me to me. The brights are bright enough for me and the colors are very deep and rich.
storybook77
Member
My JS9000 looks great to me as well. I'm admittedly not nearly as picky as some in here, which is fine. Everyone has their hobbies that they are overly passionate about.
Ignorance is bliss. Once you spend the time to compare ultra high end models to mid level, you can't help but notice the deficiencies. OLED has made the not-quite-black-blacks in my JS9500, and the occasional bloom, very visible flaws.
storybook77
Member
I went with something that still looked great (to me) and that the wife was somewhat comfortable with price wise. I was able to get a new receiver as well.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Yep, Oleds side by side will make flash lighting on flad's more apparent. It's annoying, but I choose size in the end over oled, had their been a 75" under 10grad available I would have jumped on it. As it is a flagship lcd is still damn good.
OLED launch dates mentioned in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9KucqWc7w
G6: 2nd week of March
E6: 2nd week of April
C6: End of March
B6: Mid May - No 3D
Some tech info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIX2FoOaU7I
2015 OLED: ~400 nits
2016 OLED: ~600 nits
Vignetting and banding have been addressed through changes with QC in the manufacturing process.
So the cheapest 3D model is the curved C6. I don't mind the curve but I hope LG has addressed the dimple issue and warped funhouse mirror looking reflections on some of their curved models we saw last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j9KucqWc7w
G6: 2nd week of March
E6: 2nd week of April
C6: End of March
B6: Mid May - No 3D
Some tech info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIX2FoOaU7I
2015 OLED: ~400 nits
2016 OLED: ~600 nits
Vignetting and banding have been addressed through changes with QC in the manufacturing process.
So the cheapest 3D model is the curved C6. I don't mind the curve but I hope LG has addressed the dimple issue and warped funhouse mirror looking reflections on some of their curved models we saw last year.
A good review site for projectors?
As a general idea, how much should one spend for a good projector? Looking around I see that the "usual" budget is around 3000.
And (still in general) do you usually get a better deal for your money going for a 3000 projector instead of a 3000$ tv? Beside size of course and audio (which I don't need on the tv anyway).
As a general idea, how much should one spend for a good projector? Looking around I see that the "usual" budget is around 3000.
And (still in general) do you usually get a better deal for your money going for a 3000 projector instead of a 3000$ tv? Beside size of course and audio (which I don't need on the tv anyway).
Jigolo
Member
That second video was fantastic. That guy doesn't spout as much bullshit as other PR dudes an gave us some insight on a bunch of things. Left a like and a comment 😉
Maybe a few more people commenting on their YouTube (gaffers unite) or website will make AVforums journalists ask about input lag 😉😁 (just don't need be douchey about it). And then LG may start to change things. OLED has the potential to be the best gaming display device on the market because of its other numerous benefits. Just got to get LG to focus on input lag for their displays. All 2015 LG TVs had shit input lag
I had a projector for a while. Never again.
Yes, you get a giant ass image. But at the cost of everything else. I found it a pain in the ass having to always keep the room perfectly dark to get a good image, and even then the blacks were never black, they were clearly grey. Not to mention how washed out the colors are when compared to a "real" television.
Plus you really need to dedicate a room for a projector. Make sure you have ample throw room and can control the light sources. And you're always worried about bulb consumption.
I hate projectors.
Even in perfect darkness?
I like the idea of the giant screen (say 100") but I value image quality too.
Great minds think alike! Where you been at man?? You are missed in the NFL thread.
I did a ton of research on OLEDs before deciding to go with the JS8500. OLEDs aren't perfect based on user impressions on AVS. The issues coupled with the price of the 65" LG made go to LCD for the short term. In a few years I should be ready for a new set and hopefully the price on the 65" OLEDs will be at a reasonable price.
Don't get me wrong though, when I saw the OLEDs in the store, they definitely were the best looking sets on the floor, just couldn't do the cost right now and didn't want to sacrifice on size.
LCDs have come along way though since I was last in the tv market. My JS8500 picture looks great with some tweaking of the settings and the local dimming feature of the set makes the blacks and contrast acceptable for me.