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[EGM1966]

All that hardware comparison talk is pointless. Microsoft created Directx! They would never have the weaker hardware.

Will there ever be another launch like it? a field day of quotes and memes to last a generation.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I'd just like to say, this thread has now inspired me to order a rice cooker pronto.

THANKS EVERYBODY

A rice cooker is very handy. Everytime i'm lazy, which is a lot, I put Rice and water into the cooker and just walk away from it. Shuts off when its done, keeping the stuff warm. Then when I'm hungry I bake w/e with it, like some teriyaki beef.

Yellow Rice is my favourite.

 

[m@cross]

Holy crap, system selling like mad, and still have people craping on it with the no games bs. Then we have others posting yet more theories about how MS will find a secret sauce to be closer in hardware.

The PS4 has a huge library of diverse games, and the XB1 has what it has for hardware and nothing other than changing that hardware, will get it to be on the same level of the hardware in the PS4.

Now.. What a great thing these numbers are from the PS4. It helps keep console gaming viable for everyone when before, people thought the tech was done. With the global acceptance it is helping bring larger varieties of developers into relevance and benefiting all gamers in the process.

For Sony fans, congratulations on your horse winning. For gaming fans, be happy something you enjoy, is staying healthy and relevant that much longer. Competition benefits us all, great sales numbers keep that idea desirable as other companies strive to get their piece of that pie. MS lost, and for very good reasons. If you love your XB1, great. Keep loving it and be happy. Just because it is not the best system this generation, shouldn't matter, as long as you like it personally.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not a single system update in 10 years
No exclusive rices
Shitty network capability
Gets hot

Typical rice-eater product

Does it have stability?

Oh it's stable. Or maybe staple. Hmmmm.

I'd just like to say, this thread has now inspired me to order a rice cooker pronto.

THANKS EVERYBODY

You will not be disappointed. Especially this brand. You will thank us, truly.

A rice cooker is very handy. Everytime i'm lazy, which is a lot, I put Rice and water into the cooker and just walk away from it. Shuts off when its done, keeping the stuff warm. Then when I'm hungry I bake w/e with it, like some teriyaki beef.

Yellow Rice is my favourite.

Very versatile. Perfect for reheating rice and some items from the fridge too. I also cook quinoa, grits, amaranth, etc in it.

Sticky Rice is my favorite.

Can, "for the rice eaters" be a bingo slot?

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Has there been a thread on this?

18 Million XB1 sold: http://segmentnext.com/2016/01/08/l...ood-as-ps4-in-sales-18-million-consoles-sold/

 

[witchedwiz]

Well deserved..
Truth be told technologically speaking ps4 and sbox360 were pretty near, what has own the race is
- xbox One or blunder.. One after the other
- sony solid pr campaign
- LOT of games Catering the eastern afecionados..

Well maybe it will finally be microsoft turn to dominate the console lands cape with the next console iteration..
As for nintendo... Eh it pains me to say this, given how much money in games and amiibo i've spent, but as of Now it's not even a race anymore, especially considering then x is not too far in the future..
Competition is good for gamers so keep it coming microsoft/nintendo/sony!

Now back to my relax. 1 month Christmas break from office is god tier relax, pity it's almost finished :/

 

[Guymelef]

Has there been a thread on this?

18 Million XB1 sold: http://segmentnext.com/2016/01/08/l...ood-as-ps4-in-sales-18-million-consoles-sold/

So it's definitely 2:1 as many have predicted.

Nothing official.

 

[Welfare]

Has there been a thread on this?

18 Million XB1 sold: http://segmentnext.com/2016/01/08/l...ood-as-ps4-in-sales-18-million-consoles-sold/

So it's definitely 2:1 as many have predicted.

Not all Xbox One's are updated to Windows 10, and that's a minimum number anyway, if it is true.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Not all Xbox One's are updated to Windows 10, and that's a minimum number anyway, if it is true.

Or she's just assuming all XB1 console owners would update to Windows 10 and so automatically applied it to the number she already knew.

 

[serversurfer]

Or she's just assuming all XB1 console owners would update to Windows 10 and so automatically applied it to the number she already knew guessed.

Fixed. She's just a "known MS analyst," so she doesn't know any more about what Bone has sold than we do.

 

[spatenfloot]

I would think that the number of consoles which haven't been online and updated is a fairly small percentage.

 

[Welfare]

I would think that the number of consoles which haven't been online and updated is a fairly small percentage.

18 million wouldn't just be "18 million". That's a minimum number that would be rounded down from a number between 18 and 19 million.

Also the only official statement is this.

Update: A company spoksperson confirmed the 200 million figure includes Xbox One consoles. And "active" means Windows 10 devices that have been "active" in the last 28 days, the spokesperson said.

 

[joecanada]

Fixed. She's just a "known MS analyst," so she doesn't know any more about what Bone has sold than we do.

lol I was just thinking how depressing that would be if your job was to be better at doing something than a message board, but you really weren't....



... however obviously there's a ton of smart people on here but I just thought how depressing if your job would be better served copying off of a random message board. imagine you were a game writer and you were forced to copy off gamefaq comments section lol.

 

[Mahonay]

Some gold over in that 18 million activated XB1 units thread, like this one

Looks like they had a good holiday and shrunk the gap

and this

Great numbers for XB1. They really managed to turn it around after the rocky start. Best OS updates in the industry. Competition is a good thing.

EDIT: This is for US only, right?

 

[Mendax]

Some gold over in that 18 million activated XB1 units thread, like this one



and this

save it for posterity

You think? lol

At least this thread brought the Movalpolos post, it's like a meme greatest hits.

xDDD

 

[serversurfer]

18 million wouldn't just be "18 million". That's a minimum number that would be rounded down from a number between 18 and 19 million.

Also the only official statement is this.

I just listened, and she said her unconfirmed source told her "around 18 million XBox Ones." (emphasis hers)

That'd align nicely with the "17.5M, give or take," that we guesstimated ourselves, actually.

 

[The Artisan]

"Not at this scale."
We'd all been discussing what the Bone was at, and you popped up and said, "9M in Oct, right?" We assumed you were participating in the active conversation since you didn't really say otherwise, hence our confusion.

Ok. Well I wasn't active in that thread for 2 hours so I didn't look at what everyone was talking about. I did have something on my mind which was on topic regarding Ps4 sales, that's why I posted that.

First, I should say that I misread you and thought you were asking about the CPU, so everything I said actually applies to that. I was actually thinking the 53MHz wasn't right for the CPU, but thought, "Well, I guess the relevant point is that it didn't matter." ><

lol, it's all good.

This is it in a nutshell.

The CPUs themselves are effectively identical. The Bone's is clocked a bit higher which should give it a clear, if small advantage, but see above. The "multi-OS stuff" is in reference to the fact that Bone runs an XBox OS as a virtual machine, but it's also running Windows in another VM, and there's a third OS that makes all of that happen. That creates a lot of overhead on the system that makes it less performant than PS4, even at a slightly higher clock.

While the Bone's GPU is clocked a bit higher resulting in it edging out the PS4 in some very specific benchmarks, the PS4's GPU pretty much completely outclasses it in every meaningful metric thanks to the additional compute units and ROPs. In theory, you could design a game that ran better on the Bone, but that would need to be the primary design goal of the game, overriding all other normal considerations.

Speaking of primary design goals, Microsoft's insistence that the Bone run Windows is the cause of all of it's shortcomings as a gaming device. Not only does that stuff trod directly on gaming as described above, the considerable memory requirements of Windows dictated the use of the DDR4 RAM instead of the much faster GDDR5 "required" by the system's APU. Because they were forced to use low performance RAM to ensure there was enough available for Windows to boot, they aren't able to properly feed the system's GPU, and they had to add a large data cache to the APU itself to mitigate some of the performance issues that caused. Problem was, the APU was already filled with the CPU and GPU, so the only way to make room for the cache was to hack out a third of the GPU's compute units, which is why it's so outclassed by Sony's GPU.

While MS engineers were trying to figure out how to make their new Windows box not quite so shitty at gaming, Sony engineers were customizing PS4's architecture to further improve it's GPGPU capabilities, effectively giving their developers more hardware tools rather than more hardware restrictions.

Ok thanks. Although I think you meant DDR3 right? I don't think xbone has DDR4. Also, this honestly does make it sound like there is a respectable gap in power between Ps4 and xbone. Although, in practice, multiplat games don't look that different from each other. Yes, perhaps the Ps4 version does have a higher resolution and slightly better graphics, but it isn't as noticeable as say, two generations ago when the Xbox1 really blew Ps2's graphics out of the water, even though both consoles were within the same ballpark. Honestly that may've been the only generation where the gap in power really showed.

Ps4 exclusives look pretty damn great, but so do certain xbone exclusives - for instance, ryse son of rome. like, if that game were developed for Ps4, realistically how much better would it look? if at best it would only be slightly better graphics and a higher resolution it just makes it seem like on paper Ps4's got a big advantage, but not as big in practice.

If you mean it's something designed to make your victims more compliant, then I agree, but since I suspect that's not what you mean, can I ask what you think is "dope" about stuff like forced parity and businesses who prioritize things like "expanding the hegemony" ahead of considerations such as the device's primary function?

xbox the brand, not mS, the company behind it. i mean, i don't hate mS, but still even to this day, knowing that tried to pull that drm/always on shit way back in the day about how it seemed like they wanted control, and power and whatever, makes them unattractive and makes me wary of what their intentions really were.

but xbox the gaming brand, some of its games, the controller, the features (yes I think xbone has cool features with kinect) in my opinion are dope. playstation is dope too and I grew up with playstation and have a preference for that platform.

To put it simply

XB1
1.310 TF GPU (12 CUs)
768 Shaders
48 Texture units
16 ROPS
2 ACE/CE/ 16 queues

PS4
1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs)
1152 Shaders
72 Texture units
32 ROPS
8 ACE/64 queues

thanks. i follow technobuffalo on youtube and they made a video (among a series this and last gen) that broke down the differences easily like this, too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruo84asvQo

 

[serversurfer]

Ok thanks. Although I think you meant DDR3 right? I don't think xbone has DDR4.

Right you are. Sorry, I confused myself with a vague memory of talk of them moving to DDR4 instead.

Ps4 exclusives look pretty damn great, but so do certain xbone exclusives - for instance, rose son of rome. like, if that game were developed for Ps4, realistically how much better would it look? if at best it would only be slightly better graphics and a higher resolution it just makes it seem like on paper Ps4's got a big advantage, but not as big in practice.

The long and the short of it is, as good as it looks now, it would've looked that much better on the PS4. Simply porting the existing code likely would've allowed them to hit 1080p with almost no additional effort from the developers.

Actually, the best way to get a sense for how much of a difference something like that makes is to try it yourself. Do you have a copy of Black Flag for PS4? That was actually the game that turned me from a skeptic in to a believer. Play for a couple of hours with no patches installed, which will run the game at 900p. Infiltrate a few fortresses, climb some towers… get a good feel for how the game looks and plays. Climb to the most scenic perch you can find, take a good look around, then save and quit out. Now apply the patches and relaunch the game. You should immediately notice a difference in the scenery you were just looking at. As you repeat the activities you did previously like infiltration, you should notice that things go a lot more quickly and smoothly even in novel environments, because it's that much easier to determine which way guards are facing, etc. Even the mini-map seems easier to read. If these things aren't immediately apparent to you, either you're too far from your TV for its size, or you need a stronger prescription. Oh, or that the settings on your TV are FUBAR.

And that's just on multiplatform games. Thanks to the customizations I mentioned earlier and other techniques not available on other architectures, PS4 exclusives can make even higher utilization of the system than one would typically find in a multi-plat engine that needs to run on Bone and/or PC.

xbox the brand, not mS, the company behind it. i mean, i don't hate mS, but still even to this day, knowing that tried to pull that drm/always on shit way back in the day about how it seemed like they wanted control, and power and whatever, makes them unattractive and makes me wary of what their intentions really were.

but xbox the gaming brand, some of its games, the controller, the features (yes I think xbone has cool features with kinect) in my opinion are dope. playstation is dope too and I grew up with playstation and have a preference for that platform.

Thus we're back to my definition of dope. XBox exists to distract from MS and their shenanigans, but you don't get one without the other. The hope is that you're thinking about how dope Ryse and Titanfall are, rather than "details" like their anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices.

 

[slavesnyder]

Thus we're back to my definition of dope. XBox exists to distract from MS and their shenanigans, but you don't get one without the other. The hope is that you're thinking about how dope Ryse and Titanfall are, rather than "details" like their anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices.

It's opium for the masses, not dope.

 

[serversurfer]

It's opium for the masses, not dope.

Opium, smack, cross-game chat… whatever works and costs the least.

 

[Crayon]

The Moon landing should have been faked. I mean I would have faked it. I can be very cheap. Sounds like good way to save some money.

On topic (if that's still a thing) I'm feeling somewhat fortunate that this generation is gong the way it is. I expected a contraction so it's good to see the good sales. I also really expected for the public to buy into the always on drm but thank god people opened their eyes to that one. This is a much brighter situation than I was anticipating.

 

[Conduit]

To put it simply

XB1
1.310 TF GPU (12 CUs)
768 Shaders
48 Texture units
16 ROPS
2 ACE/CE/ 16 queues

PS4
1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs)
1152 Shaders
72 Texture units
32 ROPS
8 ACE/64 queues

Just in addition

XB1 :
12.8 Gigapixels/sec
38.4 Gigatexels/sec

PS4
25.6 Gigapixels/sec
51.2 Gigatexels/sec

 

[Shenmue]

I actually had the same thought, that they are just trying to build up their youtube channels, there is no way they believe this stuff.

But after listening to a couple of the older podcasts I am not so sure, highlights included:

Scalebound is the best ever JRPG
The PS4 has had no games since Bloodborne
Uncharted delay is a disaster, while Scalebound delay is a smart move.
90% of PC gamers only pirate games.

Are you sure about the Scalebound comment? I can't see them saying that about a game that was made by a bunch of rice eaters.

 

[Raylan]

Are you sure about the Scalebound comment? I can't see them saying that about a game that was made by a bunch of rice eaters.

Yes, it's true. They actually said that.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Anyone have a chart on how this compares to PS2? Has PS2 beat it yet?

 

[ethomaz]

Anyone have a chart on how this compares to PS2? Has PS2 beat it yet?

PS2 is behind PS4 at the same period yet.

PS2 was at 28.68 shipped after 2 years and 1 month.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

PS2 is behind PS4 at the same period yet.

PS2 was at 28.68 shipped after 2 years and 1 month.

Ahh, ok. So PS2 really spiked when? Holiday 3? Just wondering when that point is that its going to blow past PS4.

 

[Neuromancer]

All that hardware comparison talk is pointless. Microsoft created Directx! They would never have the weaker hardware.

Time for Neogaf to apologize to Penello.

Also a good point. It's easy to claim MS are the experts here, having INVENTED purchased DirectX, but remember they're the same guys who designed the system now playing catch-up to Sony's (which is basically just FreeBSD, to be fair).

My sides

 

[Bold One]

Brown Rice needs extra love and care.

Are you saying that Brown Rice Matters?

 

[onQ123]

Ahh, ok. So PS2 really spiked when? Holiday 3? Just wondering when that point is that its going to blow past PS4.

PS2 sales basically doubled from ~ 25 million in Dec 2001 to ~50 million Dec 2002

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_sales

 

[Fdkn]

PS2 sales basically doubled from ~ 25 million in Dec 2001 to ~50 million Dec 2002

The pricecut to $199 on May 2002 was insane.

PS4 won't have such a pricedrop next year, but maybe in 2017

 

[Eggbok]

The pricecut to $199 on May 2002 was insane.

PS4 won't have such a pricedrop next year, but maybe in 2017

 

[FF Seraphim]

The pricecut to $199 on May 2002 was insane.

PS4 won't have such a pricedrop next year, but maybe in 2017

Ah... So next year? It's 2016 bro...

 

[Celcius]

This kinda makes me wonder when/if the ps3 will get a price cut. For such old hardware, will it ever get down to $99? (even for the 12gb system)

 

[onQ123]

The pricecut to $199 on May 2002 was insane.

PS4 won't have such a pricedrop next year, but maybe in 2017

You never know AMD is on 16nm now so PS4 APU might get a die shrink & price drop soon.



By the way next year is 2017 lol

 

[Fdkn]

damm I'm not yet used to it xDDD

 

[Fdkn]

...double post now. sorry

I'm going to sleep

 

[onQ123]

A price drop & GTA6 would send PS4 to over 25 million next year.

 

[demigod]

Well, its not 2016 yet for rice eaters until next month.

Also, who the hell eats brown rice?

 

[Omnistalgic]

Are you saying that Brown Rice Matters?

Lol idiot..that was pretty funny...

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

I think ps4 sales will skyrocket once it hits the magic 299 or below price point. Given the price of a lot of modern tech, that's pretty close to being a impulse purchase these days.

I mean, just look at this years black Friday/ holiday sales. If it drops to $250, dear lord, it would just print money.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Well, its not 2016 yet for rice eaters until next month.

Also, who the hell eats brown rice?

Brown rice has good fiber in it, and a nice alternative for certain dishes like sushi. I find the chewier, stickier texture of brown rice in a roll to be quite delicious. I actually don't care for white rice as much anymore, although India curry dishes with Jasmine rice warms my soul.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Brown rice has good fiber in it, and a nice alternative for certain dishes like sushi. I find the chewier, stickier texture of brown rice in a roll to be quite delicious. I actually don't care for white rice as much anymore, although India curry dishes with Jasmine rice warms my soul.

White rice has a lot of variety to it as well though. I used to eat small grain extra fancy style rice, which is simular to sushi rice, then switched to a different short grain due to costs. Currently eating a mix of thai jasmine and long grain rice.

Being married to a Chinese woman, who's Chinese parents are visiting mean we are going though about 50 lbs or more of the stuff a month. Even the baby has started to eat some, and has his own tastes for this or that.

But enough RiceGAF for this thread.

 

[Omnistalgic]

White rice has a lot of variety to it as well though. I used to eat small grain extra fancy style rice, which is simular to sushi rice, then switched to a different short grain due to costs. Currently eating a mix of thai jasmine and long grain rice.

Being married to a Chinese woman, who's Chinese parents are visiting mean we are going though about 50 lbs or more of the stuff a month. Even the baby has started to eat some, and has his own tastes for this or that.

But enough RiceGAF for this thread.

Damn man, now I'm suuuuuper hungry! Lol...and that's a lot of rice! I still don't understand how the Asian regions can consume so much rice and still be thin and slim. I would eat rice everyday if I wasn't trying to slim down. Soooo good

 

[joecanada]

I think ps4 sales will skyrocket once it hits the magic 299 or below price point. Given the price of a lot of modern tech, that's pretty close to being a impulse purchase these days.

I mean, just look at this years black Friday/ holiday sales. If it drops to $250, dear lord, it would just print money.

Are you saying all the itprintsmoney.gif have been premature? Blasphemy!

 

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This kinda makes me wonder when/if the ps3 will get a price cut. For such old hardware, will it ever get down to $99? (even for the 12gb system)

I would like to see a PS3 minus the blu ray drive. If they can do a 12gb model at $199 then having another model for $99 where you just fhrow in a 1tb haRd drive would be perfect. My collection is all digital anyways and it would be a nice way for them to promote their digital content. I'm not sure any of the big three has the balls to put a digital only box on the market though.

 

[blacklotus]

A rice cooker is very handy. Everytime i'm lazy, which is a lot, I put Rice and water into the cooker and just walk away from it. Shuts off when its done, keeping the stuff warm. Then when I'm hungry I bake w/e with it, like some teriyaki beef.

Yellow Rice is my favourite.

I have to quote this reply. This blasphemous reply.

Rice is meant to be cooked the tradional way.

Bit of chopped onions, a bit of Olive Oil. You let it cook till the onions are almost transparent. You add a bay leave. And then a bit of chopped garlic.
You then add a cup of rice and two cups of water.
Salt. Give it a whirl with a wooden spoon.
It starts to boil. You bring the temp back to a minimum. Cover it up.
Wait.
Profit from real tasty rice and get rid of your machine cooking rice of infamy.


Rice rules.


P.S.: To keep on topic: Amazing numbers and totally deserved.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I would like to see a PS3 minus the blu ray drive. If they can do a 12gb model at $199 then having another model for $99 where you just fhrow in a 1tb haRd drive would be perfect. My collection is all digital anyways and it would be a nice way for them to promote their digital content. I'm not sure any of the big three has the balls to put a digital only box on the market though.

until the publishers feel confident retail is 10 percent or less of their overall sales for games consistently they'll never do it.

Digital is growing, but retail is still dominant.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

A price drop & GTA6 would send PS4 to over 25 million next year.

Screw GTA. Give me Read Dead Redemption 2.

 

[slavesnyder]

Secret agent Uncle Ben.