Xbox One at 18 million (activated units)

spatenfloot said:
Why would anyone live in places without internet?
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There must be some people without internet; they have a console specially for them.

Still good numbers for pretty much just the US and UK only, only seems bad as the PS4 is selling WW on top of US and UK. Wonder if MS will ever give definitive numbers any time soon.
 
I think people are reading too much into this report. 18 million active users? That could be multiple user accounts on the same one piece of hardware. 18 million activated consoles? Then at most, they have sold-through 18 million consoles to consumers worldwide.

Although it's still odd they just wouldn't come out and say that; for all we know some of those could be demo kiosk units! See MS, that is the bad side of going with an ambiguous approach to communicating console sales and success. Tsk, tsk....
 
OverHeat said:
Thats what happen when you put a crappy GPU in your console MS....
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Sure that's the case? Is not like PS4 is a beast of power, the multiplatforms on the 2 console are almost the same, just 900p vs 1080p some time, a thing that mostly of consumers don't even notice.
The real problem of Xbox One has been the first announcement, where Microsoft said that it would have had digital only games with DRM, always on daily check in, and just one SKU with obbligatory Kinect and 499$ price, 100$ more than the DRM and online only free PS4...Of course Microsoft changed all those online only bullshits but the word of mouth was already spread and PS4 started with a great advantage.
Only after Phill Spencer took the lead, with price drop, Kinect-less SKU and plenty of great exclusive games XBox One started for real, and seen how bad the launch was i think 18 millions console are a great achievement for this console
 
Hm....

This is my guess about XO LTD :

Around 10 mil. Xbones WW as of Jan. 1st 2015. From January 2015 - October 2015 in NPD Xbone was sold averagely 200k - That's a 2 mil. November 2015 NPD was 1300k. December 2015 probably more 1400k maybe???? From January 2015 - December 2015 probably more than 1000k ( let's say 1200k maybe ?? ) in UK. Japan is 60k So, that will be :

1500k LTD - without December 2015 NPD ( of course ) + other European countries ( Germany, France etc. where we have some official data in PAL threads )

I see Xbone about 1800k sold-trough WW
 
Xbox One being around 20M would mean Xbox is getting some momentum from countries outside US/UK compared to last year, and I highly doubt that.

EDIT: In better words, XBO growth in outside UK/US would have to be bigger than the growth in US/UK.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
I think people are reading too much into this report. 18 million active users? That could be multiple user accounts on the same one piece of hardware. 18 million activated consoles? Then at most, they have sold-through 18 million consoles to consumers worldwide.

Although it's still odd they just wouldn't come out and say that; for all we know some of those could be demo kiosk units! See MS, that is the bad side of going with an ambiguous approach to communicating console sales and success. Tsk, tsk....
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How many peeps have xboxes in closets waiting for scaledown?
 
Bits N Pieces said:
Before the generation actually started and they were looking at pre orders, they must have thought they would be lucky to get to 20 million over it's lifetime.

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They sold 80mn+ XBOX360. What exactly makes you think they'd deem themselves lucky with a just a mere quarter of that???

If they were satisfied with those numbers they'd talk about them at any given possibility. MS has a track record when it comes to that.
 
Solid. Can't tell if there's any truth to this, but this is about where I would peg XB1. Wonder if they'll have the guts to announce 20m. Milestones and all.

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Pure Speculation:
Took 360 nearly 4 years to sell 9m in Europe. Considering XB1 is ~11m in NA, (counting UK @~2m) EU could be somewhere around 5m in 2 years. Still is trounced by PS4, which is probably 3x that on the continent.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/360-passes-9m-sales-in-europe
 
jaypah said:
Yeah PlayStation is a world brand. Not many ways for MS to counter that. Sure, treating other countries better would certainly have helped but Sony is kind of in a class by itself.
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Yep. Better games and/or specs don't matter much in my opinion when it comes to this. An Xbox console would need to be at least $200 cheaper than PlayStation at launch and/or release a year before the PlayStation (like the Xbox 360 did) to have a possible shot.
 
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Chobel said:
Xbox One being around 20M would mean Xbox is getting some momentum from countries outside US/UK compared to last year, and I highly doubt that.
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I don't think the Xbox One is close to 20M either right now. The Xbox One doing better in those areas in comparison to last year is still possible though considering the last gen systems have lost even more relevancy since then.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Yep. Better games and/or specs don't matter much in my opinion when it comes to this. An Xbox console would need to be at least $200 cheaper than PlayStation at launch and/or release a year before the PlayStation (like the Xbox 360 did) to have a possible shot.
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Thats exactly it.

The Xbox 360 basically had all the advantages it could get (cheaper, 1+ year sooner launch, often better multiplatform games) and they barely came out 1:1 in the end.

So the 2:1 ratio is not "that" surprising to me.
 
Anyone have a link to 360 shipment numbers by year (or even sold through yearly numbers)?

Just trying to figure some stuff out and my phone sucks at searching things up. :(
 
Bgamer90 said:
I don't think the Xbox One is close to 20M either right now. The Xbox One doing better in those areas in comparison to last year is still possible though considering the last gen systems have lost even more relevancy since then.
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The thing is how many XBO's have not been used in the past 28 days? If you think every XBO is active and being used then you are really overestimating people's usage habits.

She said that around 18M XBOs have been used in the past 28 days. There is likely a percentage of users above that amount that haven't used the console during that period. I would think its likely around 5-10%.
 
You counter a "world brand" by making your own brand, well, that.

There's clearly some time persistence, but the market share switches in the US and UK show that it's not impossible. They didn't lose because the Xbox is not a world brand, they lost because the console was not designed and presented to be one from the very first time it was shown.

They tried later, sure. They tried to have exclusive Fifa content, for example. It just plain wasn't enough. But I reject this notion that there's nothing to be done.
 
Bitch Pudding said:
They sold 80mn+ XBOX360. What exactly makes you think they deemed themselves lucky with a just a mere quarter of that???

If they were satisfied with those numbers they'd talk about them at any given possibility. MS has a track record when it comes to that.
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Well just after E3 and pre orders opened, Microsoft must have seen the numbers coming through and would have been well aware of what Sony were doing and behind the scenes' Mattrick would have been doing his best Private Frazer from Dads Army impression.

They were fucked. The brand was toxic. The guy in charge lost his job. I bet they might have thought this was it, they've lost the gamers and they could be out of the industry.

Of course its getting spanked by the PS4 but the Xbox could easily be as dead as a dodo this gen and still not have broken through the 10 million barrier yet.

If there on 18 or thereabouts now you'd imagine come the end of this gen theyll be somewhere near 40-50 million. Theyll count themselves lucky, pat themselves on the back for the changes they made and take a solemn vow never to make the same mistakes again.

Just my 2cents on it though :)
 
eznark said:
Did Halo come out?
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Yes, although added to the mythical chalk board next to Lora.

I am surprised at the numbers. Before the Durango reveal, I would of never predicted the Microsoft console would have slipped this far behind Sony console.
 
hawk2025 said:
They didn't lose because the Xbox is not a world brand, they lost because the console was not designed and presented to be one from the very first time it was shown.
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You think it would have mattered if it was? Last gen was/is the perfect example of how strong the PlayStation brand is. Sony made many mistakes last gen, launched one year later, and still basically tied.

The build up to PS4's launch was completely different so I don't really see how the Xbox One could have had any possible chance.

They tried later, sure. They tried to have exclusive Fifa content, for example. It just plain wasn't enough. But I reject this notion that there's nothing to be done.
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What could they do then? Something completely crazy needs to happen to the PlayStation brand for the Xbox brand to be in a position similar to the Playstation's (current) worldwide popularity; One could arguably say that the PlayStation brand has been relevant for two times the length that the Xbox brand has been relevant.

Sony plays as much of a role in the Xbox brand's worldwide popularity as MS does in my opinion. There would need to be a major slip up from Sony (causing them to lose a ton of non-Western support) for Xbox to be a similar worldwide brand.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Yep. Better games and/or specs don't matter much in my opinion when it comes to this. An Xbox console would need to be at least $200 cheaper than PlayStation at launch and/or release a year before the PlayStation (like the Xbox 360 did) to have a possible shot.
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Not necessarily. If the Xbox One had a slew of exclusives, especially new IP's, that were all extremely highly acclaimed, Eg Uncharted 2, Last of Us type levels, along with a further price drop, I think many gamers would consider picking it up.

I think games like Uncharted 2, MGS4, GOW3 and Little Big Planet really helped the PS3 gain momentum. But it took time, it certainly wasn't an overnight thing.

The Xbox One definitely has some solid exclusives, but nothing that's really demanded attention because of immense critical reception, not even in the way certain Xbox exclusives did last gen with games like Gears of War. But a similar issue is facing the PS4 so far as well. With the exception of maybe Bloodborne, none of its new exclusives critically truly stand out, and I think it sort of takes that for an exclusive these days to really grab the markets attention and lift off, against the onslaught of mega selling multiplatform titles.
 
These numbers are a bit weird to me. They are a bit to "perfect". If it is an informant talking to an analyst, I could see the information being a ballpark number to give an idea of the balance but not precise figures, something like: "Of the 200M, 90% are PC and of the remaining 10%, 90% are Xbox One, the rest is phones and other devices." The margin of error on this type of information is probably pretty high and even if we only count 1 or 2% it is still more or less 2 to 4M on the 18M.

So yeah, I think the information is pretty useless to know how much Xbox One has sold. Their last PR announcement was a bit more useful then that, I think.
 
Chobel said:
I can only speculate here, but in US MS went crazy with deals, not so much in the other countries. So I really can't see how the XBO growth in RoTW will exceed the US growth.
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December is a huge month for the entire world, so growth at the end of the year in the ROTW is already going to be big, regardless of how good the deals were in the US, espicially since the US has Black Friday in November, which is taking sales from December.
 
gamechanger87 said:
The thing is how many XBO's have not been used in the past 28 days? If you think every XBO is active and being used then you are really overestimating people's usage habits.

She said that around 18M XBOs have been used in the past 28 days. There is likely a percentage of users above that amount that haven't used the console during that period. I would think its likely around 5-10%.
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I think you put too much faith in this rumor.
 
Prototype Viktor said:
Tsk tsk doubting MJF on her MS connection
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She says herself her source is "unverified"...

18m sold through and used within the past month (which should be the vast majority of consoles, logically, being around Xmas and during the busiest season of the year for both shopping and new big AAA title releases) sounds about right though.
 
KaYotiX said:
Xbox One is still doing fine, PS4 is just doing that much better. Its no difference than last gen with 360/ps3.
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no difference with what? last gen they were evenly matched with the 360 having an early slight lead (because it launched earlier) and ps3 having a slight lead later on. this gen is just the ps4 shitting on the bone from waaay up high.
 
By end of 2015, XB1 sales should be ~11 million rounded in the US, maybe more.

Back in 2013, XB1 USA sales were < 60% of total worldwide sales in 13 countries. Of course, since that, a lot of think are happened, which could increase, or decrease the US share.

What could decrease:
&#8226; New countries released in September 2014
&#8226; Unofficial promotion in some Europe market (example, since i'm from Italy, on some store XB1 was selling since March 2015 for &#8364;349 with two games)


What could increase XB1 share in the US:
&#8226; Official XB1 pricedrop US exclusive to $349 back in 2015.
&#8226; Holidays sales usually bigger in the US

Since we also should talk about XB1 performance outside US, in Europe, UK should easy be > 2 million, even if is not confirmed i seriusly doubt is still under those numbers, most likely MS just asked to not annunce this, and in my opinion, XB1 is well over 2m in UK, but that's just speculation, let's not talk about random numbers.
France was ~420,000 by end of 2014, with ~290,000 LT, France should be the second bigger XB1 market in Europe, while Germany was ~378,000 back in March 2015.
Spain is seriusly a death market for XB1, ~78,000 by June 2015, and in Italy we know Wii U + XB1 is < 30% with PS4 >70% total share back in April 2015.
Outside Europe, a rumor has XB1 China sales were at 71,000 back in April. Even if is not confirmed, i think we can use it. Now, PS4+XB1 China sales are ~500,000, we don't know XB1 sales but PS4 has shipped over 400k.
And well, 60,000 in Japan (LOL).


In conclusion, we have no idea of what are the XB1 sales worldwide, so, those 18 million could be true, or not. We just can estimate, all we know is that XB1 is over the 360 launch allinied.


EDIT: How, about Italy, PS4 sales should be >500,000 by end of 2014. But keep in mind that is not official. This can help to know XB1 italy sales since we know PS4 was >70% at one point.
 
hawk2025 said:
You counter a "world brand" by making your own brand, well, that.

There's clearly some time persistence, but the market share switches in the US and UK show that it's not impossible. They didn't lose because the Xbox is not a world brand, they lost because the console was not designed and presented to be one from the very first time it was shown.

They tried later, sure. They tried to have exclusive Fifa content, for example. It just plain wasn't enough. But I reject this notion that there's nothing to be done.
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I brought up the "world brand" and already said that treating the rest of the world right would have helped but Sony is a better recognized brand worldwide. 360 had tons of advantages and still Sony caught up. MS were already in deep shit brand wise by the time of the XB1. They can try, sure, but it would be a hell of a fight at this point.
 
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