Batman v Superman - New Clip

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En-ou said:
I'm betting on lots of:
walls and buildings destroyed
quick cuts, close ups, shaky cam
punches to the face
throwing of big, heavy stuff
explosions

in other words - as generic as it can get. I'm hoping to be surprised though.
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I mean you make anything broad enough and it can sound like anything.

Ha, I was saying how much I liked this thread last night with actual discussion, but now we're back to the silliness that usually ruins actual discourse.

SIGH
 
En-ou said:
I'm betting on lots of:
walls and buildings destroyed
quick cuts, close ups, shaky cam
punches to the face
throwing of big, heavy stuff
explosions

in other words - as generic as it can get. I'm hoping to be surprised though.
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I can't imagine it being too different from Man of Steel's fights, which I think had the best cgi fights in super hero movies.

If you're looking for really good non cgi fights, you're probably not ever going to get raid or ong bak level performance from a super hero movie.
 
Penguin said:
I mean you make anything broad enough and it can sound like anything.

Ha, I was saying how much I liked this thread last night with actual discussion, but now we're back to the silliness that usually ruins actual discourse.

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You should do as I was told and just stick to our little fanboy thread in community. You can't even tell who is being for real in these threads anymore. I keep saying ridiculous shit and I'm getting these serious responses. It's all just a joke now.
 
I understand if people are wary of how this film will turn out. Went for my 2nd viewing of Force Awakens last weekend and we got the full BvS trailer before the film. It really wasn't good, imo. Something just felt off about the whole trailer, it was weird. I wasn't the only one who thought so either. When it finished there was dead silence then some dude in the row in front of me turned to his friend and said, seriously, not in a smart-ass way, "That looks fucking terrible".

I can't speak for that guy but for me, the trailer gave off a vibe of one of those times when you've got a bunch of talent involved in a project and for some reason it just doesn't come together. That's the feeling I got. Obviously I could be wrong and if I am, cool. I'll be waiting for some reviews before booking my tickets though.

And by the way, I have no motive for saying this. I'm not into comic books. I'm not a Marvel fanboy. I loved the Donner/Reeves Superman when I was young but thought Man of Steel was an interesting attempt at something different. I thought 300 was really good and Watchmen was brilliant. I just like films.
 
jackdoe said:
The dialogue is fine, and in line with every other superhero movie in terms of "corniness".
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It's in line with most action movies in general on the cheese scale. People are just being difficult. It would be no different from picking at instant classic Fury Road lines like:

I live, I die, I live again!

What a lovely day!

WITNESS!

MEDIOCRE!

or my favorite... I HAD A BABY BROTHER, AND HE WAS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY! x2 Delivered in straight 80's pro wrestling cheese, by an actual pro wrestler. Anyone could be difficult and be like oh, that's stupid dialogue. But it's hilariously awesome in the context of the movie and becomes one of the coolest parts to look forward to.
 
This is a 16 page thread on a30 second chunk of the movie.

If we assume this trend continues, and the movie weighs in at ~120 minutes, the OT(s) will weigh in at 3120 pages.

Food for thought.
 
Poodlestrike said:
This is a 16 page thread on a30 second chunk of the movie.

If we assume this trend continues, and the movie weighs in at ~120 minutes, the OT(s) will weigh in at 3120 pages.

Food for thought.
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but how many jesse eisenberg avatars

BlackGoku03 said:
Ok. This is what you call a cop out. Saying the line is terrible without any real reason other than "it doesn't sound right" or "it sounds like fan-fiction" isn't a legit criticism. And I hope you expect clever writing in every small clip from every movie, all the time.

I'm done.

Neither one of you are believable nor are the silly, asinine, and obtuse comments in here.


The clip is fine. The dialogue is fine. No, it's not Shakespeare and it's not something that attempts to be oscar worthy, but it's fine for a comic book movie. There are worse, flatter lines in so many other movies.

And, if you expected more, I'd suggest watching the movie. I'm sure this isn't the only time they taunt of talk to each other.
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"You're garbage who kills for money"

&

"I'm always angry"

Two complete shit movies.
 
PBY said:
I'm not a writer, I don't have to have a "better" scene written to criticize it. If you want a comparison though, it strikes me as something that was written by someone who almost exclusively watches anime supercuts on youtube set to Linkin Park.

"Do you bleed? You will"? I mean.... its trying so hard to be badass that it just is corny to me.

You can counter with motivations or the scene or whatever else reason you enjoy it- but for me, the execution is off. To pull off dialogue like that, the tone and framing has to be perfect, and this isn't doing it for me.
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HiredN00bs said:
I watched the snippet from Conan because this movie piqued my curiosity (as did Man of Steel, but I never saw it). Superman was a beloved character of my childhood. I watched the clip and thought it was awful, and boom, here's a GAF thread about it to comment in. I got roped into seeing X-Men Origins: Wolverine a few years back and I'm still angry about it because it was as bad as the trailers made it look.


I enjoy film. I will admit, I do not profess to be a fan of "comicbook" movies.

I don't have the context of the scene. I'm vaguely familiar with the characters and it just comes off as juvenile. If you want me to believe that these two characters are at odds, you have to do some clever writing, and when they engage in discourse, I want it to be more than chest-thumping bullshit. "The bat is dead," said Superman to Batman. Give me a fucking break. It's bad fan-fiction. I'd rather watch James Hetfield wrestle with his desire to play on stage with Sonic and his friends.
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Ok. This is what you call a cop out. Saying the line is terrible without any real reason other than "it doesn't sound right" or "it sounds like fan-fiction" isn't a legit criticism. And I hope you expect clever writing in every small clip from every movie, all the time.

I'm done.

Neither one of you are believable nor are the silly, asinine, and obtuse comments in here.


The clip is fine. The dialogue is fine. No, it's not Shakespeare and it's not something that attempts to be oscar worthy, but it's fine for a comic book movie. There are worse, flatter lines in so many other movies.

And, if you expected more, I'd suggest watching the movie. I'm sure this isn't the only time they taunt of talk to each other.
 
I like Robo voice actually. The scene, I am assuming, is there first offiicial meeting. I would hope it would have been more in line with Timmverse initial meeting(where Bats tosses superman, superman rams Batman, and Batman pulls out a little green pebble).

One can dream.
 
BlackGoku03 said:
Ok. This is what you call a cop out. Saying the line is terrible without any real reason other than "it doesn't sound right" or "it sounds like fan-fiction" isn't a legit criticism. And I hope you expect clever writing in every small clip from every movie, all the time.

I'm done.

Neither one of you are believable nor are the silly, asinine, and obtuse comments in here.


The clip is fine. The dialogue is fine. No, it's not Shakespeare and it's not something that attempts to be oscar worthy, but it's fine for a comic book movie. There are worse, flatter lines in so many other movies.

And, if you expected more, I'd suggest watching the movie. I'm sure this isn't the only time they taunt of talk to each other.
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Damn dude.
 
En-ou said:
I'm betting on lots of:
walls and buildings destroyed
quick cuts, close ups, shaky cam
punches to the face
throwing of big, heavy stuff
explosions

in other words - as generic as it can get. I'm hoping to be surprised though.
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Omg lol. Is this really what it's come to? Terrible posts like these? You could say most of things for almost any action movie, based on how loosely you're describing everything.
 
Given the movie is predicated on the mass destruction caused at the end of MoS, I wonder how the pivot from that into seemingly more mass destruction in the Doomsday fight. Maybe the Justice League is formed as a way for Batman and co. to keep closer tabs on Superman rather than an actual friendly teamup?
 
I just want to ask one question... We all are aware that his "Do you bleed?" line isn't really supposed to be taken literally, right? It's Batman asking Superman, "Are you one of us?/Can you be trusted?/Are you more human than you appear?" and his "You will" is Batman's vow to make him "one of us/humble him" if he continues to abuse his powers (as Batman sees it). Yes, you can take that quote at face value and it still works, but I've never really done that.
 
Blader said:
Given the movie is predicated on the mass destruction caused at the end of MoS, I wonder how the pivot from that into seemingly more mass destruction in the Doomsday fight. Maybe the Justice League is formed as a way for Batman and co. to keep closer tabs on Superman rather than an actual friendly teamup?
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The simple line from that to the end... that there are dangers larger than any one of them, but working together can stop the danger and potentially limit collateral damage.
 
Wingfan19 said:
I just want to ask one question... We all are aware that his "Do you bleed?" line isn't really supposed to be taken literally, right? It's Batman asking Superman, "Are you one of us?/Can you be trusted?/Are you more human than you appear?" and his "You will" is Batman's vow to make him "one of us/humble him" if he continues to abuse his powers (as Batman sees it). Yes, you can take that quote at face value and it still works, but I've never really done that.
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I really want this to be the case in the context of the film because it really does work perfectly for who Bruce is at this point in time. He has bled. A lot. And he wants to make sure Superman is emotionally capable of what he's been going through. He wants to be sure that when Clark is at his absolute lowest he's not gonna do something to endanger the entire world.

Without any context and with the way marketing for something like this will always go, it just comes off as stupid machismo, which is obviously not Batman's M.O.
 
En-ou said:
I'm betting on lots of:
walls and buildings destroyed
quick cuts, close ups, shaky cam
punches to the face
throwing of big, heavy stuff
explosions

in other words - as generic as it can get. I'm hoping to be surprised though.
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Man of Steel begs to differ... it was very well executed.
 
Buried at the end of Devin's recent WW article:

At any rate this is the DC Movieverse film for which I'm most hopeful. A different time period, a unique directorial perspective and, if the whispers I hear from inside Batman v Superman are correct, Gal Gadot in a role she was born to play.
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m_shortpants said:
Something along the lines of

"Next time they shine your light, don't go. The Bat is dead. Consider this mercy."

"Tell, me do you bleed?"

Flies away

"You will"
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the dialogues in this movie until now sound soooooo bad :/

if two guys on the street would talk like that they would get strange looks or get beaten up XD
 
BlackGoku03 said:
Ok. This is what you call a cop out. Saying the line is terrible without any real reason other than "it doesn't sound right" or "it sounds like fan-fiction" isn't a legit criticism. And I hope you expect clever writing in every small clip from every movie, all the time.

I'm done.

Neither one of you are believable nor are the silly, asinine, and obtuse comments in here.


The clip is fine. The dialogue is fine. No, it's not Shakespeare and it's not something that attempts to be oscar worthy, but it's fine for a comic book movie. There are worse, flatter lines in so many other movies.

And, if you expected more, I'd suggest watching the movie. I'm sure this isn't the only time they taunt of talk to each other.
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No, it's not fine. These aren't new characters. If they are adversaries, they need to act in a manner consistent with their characters. If they are talking to each other like they are mortal enemies who are also teenage pricks, then what's the point?

And you have some nerve questioning my sincerity. Shit is bad, and I fucking mean it.

This wasn't a random clip, it was a clip they selected to show off to prospective customers. There is no way I will watch this movie.
 
blackdevil said:
the dialogues in this movie until now sound soooooo bad :/

if two guys on the street would talk like that they would get strange looks or get beaten up XD
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Yes I imagine the dialogue between an alien that can fly and a man dressed in a bat suit isn't going to strike you as normal on most days.
 
Senoculum said:
I'm laughing here, because you're assuming there's a huuuuge leap in tech to combine the two. Have you seen the last CES? The fantastical technology is sound. The science fiction logic is sound.

We're in an era of miniaturization, and so because it's not visible, it doesn't exist, despite the fact that a TECH MANUAL is being released for the film:

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Superman-Dawn-Justice-Manual/dp/1785650602

The exact equivalent to Star Wars 7's visual dictionary that happily, and carefully, describes ships, gadgets, and other fictional things. The cover alone expressly shows us that the cowl is more than mere carbon fibre... Apologies for the tone, but c'mon, this should be the least of your worries...
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Wait, it's me making assumptions?

You made the the point about voice modulators attaching on the throat. "It's not like Navy SEALS shout to one another across combat zones", lol. A voice modulator isn't a radio system; it's a device which takes sound as an input, modifies it, and outputs the results. That's why throat microphones don't need speakers and voice modulators do.

And it's not like I have an issue with it. You responded to a post saying that it was odd, I explained that the example you used doesn't translate, then you laughed and referenced a fictional book that isn't even out in a weirdly hostile post. The point simply was that it is jarring hearing a modulated voice coming from Batman because you can't see where it's coming from; they might explain how it works in the film but they didn't in the clip. Unless there's something in his throat there's no obvious place where the voice is being modulated.
 
Trigonometrize. said:
What a strange comparison. If I hear two guys on the street talk like that I would say they sound like comic book characters.

oh
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And comic book dialogue sounds corny when it's spoken aloud by human beings. It just doesn't translate that well.

The "Do you bleed?" exchange isn't even the worst line, it's "Next time they shine your light, don't go. The Bat is dead. Consider this mercy." It's all so weirdly phrased and Henry Cavill isn't a good enough actor to make it work at all.

*edit* there's some weird phrasing in the other trailers as well. "The son of krypton vs bat of gotham." "The red capes are coming." Just weird and clunky.
 
HiredN00bs said:
No, it's not fine. These aren't new characters. If they are adversaries, they need to act in a manner consistent with their characters. If they are talking to each other like they are mortal enemies who are also teenage pricks, then what's the point?

And you have some nerve questioning my sincerity. Shit is bad, and I fucking mean it.

This wasn't a random clip, it was a clip they selected to show off to prospective customers. There is no way I will watch this movie.
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Well, good to know. That is that then. No reason for you to come into these threads. Bye.

blackdevil said:
the dialogues in this movie until now sound soooooo bad :/

if two guys on the street would talk like that they would get strange looks or get beaten up XD
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The fuck....yeah, don't know how to respond to this really.
 
Alienous said:
Wait, it's me making assumptions?

You made the the point about voice modulators attaching on the throat. "It's not like Navy SEALS shout to one another across combat zones", lol. A voice modulator isn't a radio system; it's a device which takes sound as an input, modifies it, and outputs the results. That's why throat microphones don't need speakers and voice modulators do.

And it's not like I have an issue with it. You responded to a post saying that it was odd, I explained that the example you used doesn't translate, then you laughed and referenced a fictional book that isn't even out in a weirdly hostile post. The point simply was that it is jarring hearing a modulated voice coming from Batman because you can't see where it's coming from; they might explain how it works in the film but they didn't in the clip. Unless there's something in his throat there's no obvious place where the voice is being modulated.
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My first post erroneously lumped modulator with microphone, either way, you can't have one without the other. A microphone is a microphone. You can get throat mics for the iphone. Voice modulators can use almost any microphone. So let's say that Batman is using a throat mic with the sound coming out of his cowl.

The post I replied to highlighted the fact that there was no visible technology on Batman; you concurred by saying there's no speaker showing. But you don't need to, especially for something as common and small form as throat mics with a modulation device. It's not weird, it's not jarring. It doesn't take leaps in logic. The film doesn't even need an explanation - it's obvious that's it's custom and tightly formed under his suit.
 
Yeah, a concealed voice mod is so out there for one of the richest men in the world who fights crime in a Batsuit and has armored vehicles, aircrafts, and gadgets up the ass.
 
BadAss2961 said:
Yeah, a concealed voice mod is so out there for one of the richest men in the world who fights crime in a Batsuit and has armored vehicles, aircrafts, and gadgets up the ass.
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That isn't the point. A voice modulator that doesn't have a visible speaker and doesn't come out muffled is like having a plane without wings.

It's a trivial thing but it isn't this insane concept.
 
As someone who appreciates films that are well put together, I feel as though everything here is straight out of some bad Youtube fanmade project. The musical/aural queues, the shot framing, the acting, the writing--it's all scraping the bottom of the barrel. It seems like the movie is taking itself so seriously, and it comes across as a parody.

Good luck to anyone who's a fan. This just doesn't look good.
 
Kammie said:
As someone who appreciates films that are well put together, I feel as though everything here is straight out of some bad Youtube fanmade project. The musical/aural queues, the shot framing, the acting, the writing--it's all scraping the bottom of the barrel. It seems like the movie is taking itself so seriously, and it comes across as a parody.

Good luck to anyone who's a fan. This just doesn't look good.
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I wonder what films you watch that make this look like a YouTube project
 
Kammie said:
As someone who appreciates films that are well put together, I feel as though everything here is straight out of some bad Youtube fanmade project. The musical/aural queues, the shot framing, the acting, the writing--it's all scraping the bottom of the barrel. It seems like the movie is taking itself so seriously, and it comes across as a parody.

Good luck to anyone who's a fan. This just doesn't look good.
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It screams bad decisions by the marketing team. What is being shown appears like it can be a part of a really good movie.

It's just the kind of case where I'll have to wait and see the final product because the promotional material is not doing it any favours.
 
BadAss2961 said:
I gotta admit, the voice mod breaking up mid brooding sentence would be some funny shit.
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"DO JUU BLEE~"

"Excuse me?"

Pai Pai Master said:
It screams bad decisions by the marketing team. What is being shown appears like it can be a part of a really good movie.

It's just the kind of case where I'll have to wait and see the final product because the promotional material is not doing it any favours.
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I haven't seen any of the trailers, and I've blocked gifs on Neogaf. It's difficult being on a media blackout, but I have seen some headline images (that rock) and magazine covers (that suck). And all the negative hype really disheartens me.

Off the top of my head, Cabin in the Woods, Triangle, The Abyss and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind all had terrible fucking trailers but were amazing movies - just hard to sell. The cold hard truth is, people are used to the MCU. I thought Ant-Man was completely and utterly average, but that gets a free pass for some damn reason.

After reading all of Chris Terrio's unproduced screenplays and seeing him in interviews, I know the dude is talented and smart, and researches hardcore. I'm sure the movie will be just as divisive, but against all odds, it sounds like it's my cup of tea. My favourite films of all time all happen to be doing something different than the competition.
 
Are we really gonna harp on the voice modulator?

I mean Mission Impossible had tech like that 20 years ago

It's not a big deal
 
Penguin said:
Are we really gonna harp on the voice modulator?

I mean Mission Impossible had tech like that 20 years ago

It's not a big deal
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The suspension of disbelief has to occur at some point. Why can I hear Spider-Man and Deadpool perfectly through their masks? It should sound muffled. I don't need an explanation that I can also hear Iron Man through his mask stated to me, when I figured out myself he probably has some sort of speaker system built into the armor.
 
I can see being put off by the bat-voice because it sounds silly, but arguing that it's unrealistic is just dumb. Like...who cares? Especially in a movie like this.

There's seems to be bigger issues to worry about anyway.
 
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