Valkyria Azure Revolution Extended Trailer [Soriku-approved topics only]
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King Gilga
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It's a shame what the Valkyria franchise has been brought down to.
Also Selvaria in game never had tits bigger than her head, compared to this chick. Sylvaria looked fine, and was pretty badass looking tbh, this new chick just looks completely stupid, the comparison is laughable at best.
Also Selvaria in game never had tits bigger than her head, compared to this chick. Sylvaria looked fine, and was pretty badass looking tbh, this new chick just looks completely stupid, the comparison is laughable at best.
There is no such thing as a game that doesn't have an element of some sort that will make someone, somewhere not want to play it or stop playing it. Do you play no games? I think people are making *roll eyes* at you because you were being super generalizing and a bit hyperbolic ("devs don't care about women").
YianGaruga
Banned
It's not laughable at all. They're almost exactly the same character
sorry but this character design just makes me roll my eyes
I see RAITA is still doing the art designs huh... That's what you get for having a hentai artist as your lead.
Anyway, if you had told me this was a generic VITA game, God Eater sequel or something, I probably would have believed you.
I really enjoy the series so I'll keep an eye on this, but overall I'm lukewarm on this.
Raita sure made Selvaria popular:
https://yande.re/post/show/326786
https://yande.re/post/show/326785
https://yande.re/post/show/278737
https://yande.re/post/show/205105
NSFW:
https://yande.re/post/show/318506
https://yande.re/post/show/326786
https://yande.re/post/show/326785
https://yande.re/post/show/278737
https://yande.re/post/show/205105
NSFW:
https://yande.re/post/show/318506
Omnistalgic
Member
Is anyone posting in here actually a woman? Or are we just speaking for our beloved female companions?
Also big breast are apparently grotesque and disgusting now, way to be open minded.
Game looks like it's going to be amazing, loving the more action focused gameplay, and looks like it's not VC3, which means we might get a direct sequel at some point, Alicia and Welks, Ah...so adorable
Also big breast are apparently grotesque and disgusting now, way to be open minded.
Game looks like it's going to be amazing, loving the more action focused gameplay, and looks like it's not VC3, which means we might get a direct sequel at some point, Alicia and Welks, Ah...so adorable
Ragnorok64
Member
This is actually a very absurd question. I understand your argument, but if there is someone who honestly doesn't enjoy a game unless it has large breasted characters, I'm pretty sure the game isn't at fault in that example.
YianGaruga
Banned
how is it more absurd than the opposite?
If you cried, there might be something wrong with you.
Hahaha, pathetic.sorry but this character design just makes me roll my eyes
Will there be costume changes to display them in all their "glory"?
Ragnorok64
Member
None of the threads about this game, that I've seen, have been happy. It's either people complaining that it's not another Chronicles SRPG or people going nuts about big breasts. I wish people could just be happy there is continued interest, from SEGA, in the IP.
How is this design any "easier" than others?
Hell, if she were loli we'd be having the opposite argument
How does 'big tits' equal easy? I mean, since we're talking about Raita, it's not like he's even predisposed towards creating big breasts by default. I mean sure, Selvaria has 'em, but I'm not sure how them making another character with big breasts is being lazy after Raita not being involved with this one.
In fact, most of his pornographic material ranges through the entire spectrum of breast size.
The opposite asks that women not be made sexual objects to pander to base desires, and instead asks for designs that better reflect the idea of a female warrior on the battlefield.
The question you asked is someone who can't enjoy games that don't have titty monsters, which basically means said someone is just a pervert. There is no 'characterization' found in the physical size of breasts. A lady can be sexy, motherly, or charming regardless of the size of her boobs.
So no, they're not equivalent examples. Suggesting that they are is a false equivalence of what people who would like more levity and substance to their media products to the people who just want porn in their media products.
AppleSeason
Member
Wondering what would happen if somebody put a neddle on those... dirigibles.
I haven't been able to watch the video, but judging by the image, apparently the mere fact of having large breasts means a woman is being made into "sexual objects to pander to base desires"
Which says more about the person complaining than it does about the character.
Pretty much.
It's honestly just a very awful and depressing line of thought. It's strange to hear them come to the rousing defense of women while simultaneously shaming body types
YianGaruga
Banned
I replied to this already, so here's the short version:
She can have large breasts and still be a fantastic character and an incredible Warrior. These things aren't mutually exclusive, its a video game. It does not have to play by the rules of the real world.
It has nothing to do with "porn in their media products", that's's ridiculous. You don't want characters to have big breasts, cool. Don't turn it into more than that. Stop implying that everyone who doesn't have a problem with the design is a pervert. There is no bigger social or representation of women issue here.
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SolidSnakeUS
Member
Hear, hear!
One: there aren't only two breast sizes.
Two: the design is 'easy' because it is one that seeks to attract males through huge boobs. You can see from the "now you have my attention" posts how her design is frontloaded with base appeal to guys who want eyecandy. That's easy. Every design of a big boobs female can attract in the same way.
A design that can appeal through more than just "boobs in your face" is hard. If you want an example of how it can be done well, you can just look at the female character designs in RE6.
What's funny is that the princess's design in this game is also dull and lacking creativity. The same old frilly white dress type. At this point I could almost wish for something ugly if only to have some creativity in Japanese female designs.
At some point the "it's just one character with huge tits, stop complaining" argument becomes cliche. You have
skimpily dressed titty monster in Star Ocean 5
skimpily dressed titty and ass sex object in FF15
skintight clothes + boob window, no armor 'female warrior' in Valkyria Azure Revolution
a pile of boobs in Nights of Azure
Without even mentioning past transgressions or other non-JRPG games. And a bunch of female character designs with other pandering caveats from these games.
So yes, the female character designs in this game are pretty shit. There's no defense for them, so you should probably orient yourself towards learning more about gameplay and world instead.
Said character designs for this game turned it from a day 1 to a "when it goes on sale" to me. Said character designs will never draw in many females to increase the audience and sales for this game. If you want to grow the market, if you want this game to succeed, then you have to learn to take feedback about the lack of female appeal in the female character designs, as simple as that.
That's another default defense for guys who want to have huge boobs: "You're body shaming!"
It's an excuse. You guys get a lot of female character designs that are designed to appeal to men. The female character designs are rarely designs to appeal to women. And you're saying there's no bigger social/representation of women issue?
You want to have characters with big breasts, then don't try to act like you're a defense of female character designs or defender of women. If you don't have a problem with it, good for you. The people who have a problem with it can voice their complaints.
Maleko Saint
Banned
I'm just really hoping they don't follow he same formula they had with Selvaria with notSelvaria here. That kind of emotion response is only going to work once, and trying to emulate it again by making notSelvaria an antagonists feels kind of wasteful. Honestly, I really have no idea what they're doing making someone so similar the enemy once more unless things change in-game a bit through it. Otherwise it feels like a case of wasted opportunities.
Keep in mind, this is a japanese game, and the character feedback they're probably getting are more along the lines of, "Her breasts should be bigger/she should be a little sister type/more twin tails/DFC please".
The people in charge of design of these games don't give a FUCK about the western prospective.
Wow. Just...
Wow.
Demo is next week (2 weeks? [Soon]).
YianGaruga
Banned
I never even once said I want huge boobs in this game. I don't care, at all. They could be any size, non-existent, whatever. It doesn't matter. They're just boobs. That's the fundamental difference here. That's why I think this whole argument is beyond ridiculous
I know that there is a problem with representation of women in videogames. But this isn't an example. By lashing out against EVERYTHING that seems wrong to you even a tiny bit, you only bring up people against you.
FFXV Cindy? I agree, it's a bit much
SO5 titty-witch? You have a point
This character, based only on the fact that she has large breasts, as that is everything we know? No. You're overreacting. Pick your battles.
AtomskEater
Member
I'm a real life grill. I can see where people are coming from, when a character has breasts that are individually as large or larger than her head it can come off kind of gross/pandering. That said, it looks like there are other lady characters covering a range of breast sizes so it's not like this is Queen's Blade or something.
Looking forward to the game.
Ok so I watched the trailer to have an opinion and.........I'm having a hard time discerning the issue? I haven't played the original Valkyria Chronicles (I've been meaning to though) but I've seen a fair bit of media about it. Most people seemed fine with Selvaria in that game right? This new character seems obviously designed in her vein. Like clearly this new character is well-endowed, perhaps even more so Selvaria. However, I'm having a hard time figuring out how this reflects negatively on her potential character or how this breaks suspension of disbelief in ways the male/female protagonists outfits or weapons don't. I was expecting maybe some awkward male gaze shots in the trailer given responses here but rather the camera completely behaved itself. Obviously people are free to dislike or criticize as they choose. However it feels like some people just used an algorithm of "if bust size > X = character design is lazy, pathetic, gross".
*scratches head*
*scratches head*
Apparently big boobs offend some people.
Acquiescence
Member
There's a lot of bitter ass men in the world.
There's a difference between large breasts for the sake of aesthetics vs comically huge for the sake of doujin material.
The latter is fine for games that are intentionally tongue-in-cheek fap material like Senran Kagura and DOA. But for something that's presumably meant to be taken seriously (in a series known for featuring war themes like genocide and slavery, no less), having a cannon-chested character like that strutting around is more of a distraction than anything else.
Selvaria was fine as a one-off, but if the sentiment here is that all Valkyrie-type girls are of the Dragon's Crown variety, well...
To be fair, that's just the in-game character model. Raita's drawings of Selvaria before being made into a 3D model are a bit different.
Ragnorok64
Member
I'm not touching the entire wall of text in this post, but "transgressions" is an absurdly dramatic word to use in this conversation.
I'm glad to hear your opinion.
I think that by giving a big range of options in terms of character looks in the game, that there should eventually be at least one character everyone can like in this game even if they don't like the character that has a giant chest. They're still introducing characters after all.
Perhaps people don't know the setting of this game?
Or are mistaking it for Chronicles?
Valkyria Revolution is a deep fantasy game where the developers have fully acknowledged disregarding the the rules of reality. Nothing here is supposed to be constrained, limited, or to quote someone "anatomically correct". Really big boobs, a girl flaunting a saber through machine gun fire, a dude wielding a giant ragnite greatsword that's almost as big as he is, giant mechanical scorpions, death songs.... there is nothing wrong with this villain having big fantastical boobs in context.
Sorry but her boobs have passed the acceptable threshold, she can only be used as porn material now.
(also quite enjoying the denigration of artists who draw porn, thats always fun)
AuthenticM
Member
Here's the thing: a man does not have to be in the camp of "I don't like big breasts" or "I don't care about big breasts" for his pro-big breasts arguments to be valid. That's ridiculous, and it's also a way to dismiss other's arguments instead of engaging them. A lot of the arguments in favor (or not against) big breasts in here are perfectly valid and are in no way invalidated should the proponent happen to be into big breasts.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Also, speaking of which, this new character has large boobs but there's not much skin or anything being shown.
To take another approach, let's take a character who is far more 'sexual' than this new villain girl but does not have large breasts, Aliasse from Valkyria Chronicles 2.
As such, I can't really see how this is anything ridiculous for the Valkyria brand or anything. As far as I can tell, this new girl's just got big breasts. It's not like she's wearing a bikini or something.
To take another approach, let's take a character who is far more 'sexual' than this new villain girl but does not have large breasts, Aliasse from Valkyria Chronicles 2.
As such, I can't really see how this is anything ridiculous for the Valkyria brand or anything. As far as I can tell, this new girl's just got big breasts. It's not like she's wearing a bikini or something.
Because this thread is making me feel like a crazy person, I'll just say this much and then leave.
1.) I am not willing to throw the entire production of anything under the bus because of 1 character design I don't like. I didn't give up on Persona 4 Golden because of Marie. That's simply ignorant in this case, especially when the other screenshots show a plethora of other women with various body types. Personally I think this new girl looks pretty damn cool, even if her chest is almost comically oversized.
2.) LOL character designs made by people who don't know the pain of actually having big breasts. To be fair, this new girl looks like she's wearing 10 bras under her outfit but..still...
1.) I am not willing to throw the entire production of anything under the bus because of 1 character design I don't like. I didn't give up on Persona 4 Golden because of Marie. That's simply ignorant in this case, especially when the other screenshots show a plethora of other women with various body types. Personally I think this new girl looks pretty damn cool, even if her chest is almost comically oversized.
2.) LOL character designs made by people who don't know the pain of actually having big breasts. To be fair, this new girl looks like she's wearing 10 bras under her outfit but..still...