I hope this sets a good precedent going forward. Would be fantastic to start on console and eventually upgrade to PC with most of your library intact.
Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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I hope this sets a good precedent going forward. Would be fantastic to start on console and eventually upgrade to PC with most of your library intact.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Yeah, they're going to retreat back to Windows too, to protect their diminishing PC marketshare.
Oh.
FTFY.
Solrac
Member
the witness cant either
Well, MS has vested interest in Windows gaming, Sony does not.
The way the PS4 is selling, Sony has little incentive to venture into PC gaming.
At this rate ill be selling my XB1, whats the point of owning it if the same games will be available on the PC which will look better and player smoother!?
Its great news for people who only have a PC, but for people like myself that own both, im just stumped at MS plan for the XB1....seems like there just killing any reason to own the system at this rate
Its great news for people who only have a PC, but for people like myself that own both, im just stumped at MS plan for the XB1....seems like there just killing any reason to own the system at this rate
I HOPE so! I want more people to be able to play games like Bloodborne, UC and TLOU!
If you've got a beefy PC I don't think even MS would begrudge you for doing that as long as you continue buying their games. You've already given them the $300-500 for their console so it's not like it'll matter if you sell it.
We have folks wear body paint to football games and cry when their team loses so getting upset when a game that is exclusive to a console isn't anymore seems fairly mild when dealing with fanboyism.
My point exactly. Non-Fanboys may feel like the wasted their money buying the Bone.
You dont need a "high-end" PC to run the games at the XBone level of performance. So why not just invest in that?
They need to embrace the blurring of the boundaries between the Xbox and PC platforms if they want a true shot at regaining the trust and support of PC gamers.
They need to have cross buy promotions for first party titles.
They need to allow cross play between PC and Xbox games.
They need to make PC games streamable to Xbox in a future update, or at least those with Xbox controller support.
They need to include Microsoft published PC games within the monthly free Gold games portfolio.
etc.
They need to have cross buy promotions for first party titles.
They need to allow cross play between PC and Xbox games.
They need to make PC games streamable to Xbox in a future update, or at least those with Xbox controller support.
They need to include Microsoft published PC games within the monthly free Gold games portfolio.
etc.
AmuroChan
Member
Choice is great, but be upfront about it. There was no outcry about games like Halo Wars 2 or Sea of Thieves because MS was transparent and announced they were coming to PC from the beginning. They didn't market the game as an X1 exclusive for 2 years and then suddenly announce 2 months prior to release that it's coming to PC also.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
They're already doing it.
I have an Xbox One. I'm going to build a gaming PC sometime in the future but I'm keeping my Xbox One and still play games on it. I still like the Kinect features for my TV and ease of use. When I have my gaming PC, I'll play that whenever the fiancé wants to watch TV so I can still play my game. It's a win/win for me.
The first game I got it for was Sunset Overdrive, this was before I built my pc and was expecting them to only be on Xbox. If I had known they were planning this then I could of went without Sunset Overdrive and just bought these on PC.
Edit: Those twitter guys are doing a podcast right now. The brand loyalty is hilarious.
Jeronimo Jones
Member
I'm only saying that some of those who are "upset" could be questioning their purchase as well as wondering about the future of their preferred way to play and aren't as convinced as you that consoles will always having a place.
Sony has been toying around with something similar for a while now.
You can't see where they're headed? The inevitable (albeit likely far off) outcome of this groundwork? It's just a matter of how one ecosystem is defined versus another. The days of games being closed off to a single device are coming to a close.
petran79
Banned
Windows Store is much riskier and prone to issues. eg after the upgrade to 10, Store would not launch at all or would not connect. Tried every solution and fix without avail. I read I had to do a clean install. Fortunately there was something I tried myself.
I created a new user account and Store was working!
XB1 owners should not bother about the PC release. Integrating the Store to the OS is typical Microsoft.
Hydrargyrus
Member
Xbox brand seems to be in its lower point atm.
Releasing those games in windows 10 sure it's good for all the gamers but it doesn't look so good for Xbox as console...
Releasing those games in windows 10 sure it's good for all the gamers but it doesn't look so good for Xbox as console...
I disagree, if anything this move could potentially bring them back from the dire situation they got themselves into.
Most people won't buy another console for any of XBONE's exclusives, by releasing them on PC they are creating a new frontier against Sony, capitalizing on added sales from people who don't own an XBONE, and use an extremely large user base with a lot of potential.
Don't forget who makes Windows after all, money coming from XBOX or XBONE doesn't matter, as long as it's coming.
If anything this move could potentially give them some breathing room.
Rain City Gamer
Member
I am more shocked that it took you this long to figure that out.
That's true for many people and it's not a bad thing; however, to advertise at every opportunity that "there's less incentive to buy the console" is somewhat of an outlier.
I for one don't tell people I'm not doing a thing or another unless I'm asked, and I think that's how most people act in their every day life.
I got long arms, so i plan on reaching
While you dont directly care about what other people are doing, you do care when it indirectly affects you.
Less perceived value, less sales (I bought x console because its the only place to get y game, now y game is on z system, so why did i waste money/i now have no reason to buy x console). Less sales, devs dont port their games because "our fanbase is on other systems" (tales and some japanese titles in general).
Now it affects you because you have access to less content.
Unlike 15 years ago, most families now own Laptops and Tablets rather than Desktops, that why games than run on low spec machines are ultra popular.
If you want to play modern releases on PC you need to fork out a decent amount of money, upgrading every 2-3 years and new build every 5-6 years (thanks to lack of CPU advances its getting longer between bulids.
My Rig Cost me £1000 approx 4 and half years ago
i7 2700K
8gb Ram (now 16gb)
560ti (now 770GTX)
1tb Hard Drive
This is fine running games at 1080i on medium/high settings, but its getting long in the tooth, for my liking.
Minimum setting for Quantum Theory, I am sure its inflated (depends on port), As a PC gamer the I enjoy the multi format games as well as PC exclusives, But I want a new monitor/VR with my new rig so I can justify the upgrade. You average gamer wont suddenly decide to buy a PC, and when they buy a budget pc they suddenly get dishearted when they can'nt play the games a console can,
If you want to play modern releases on PC you need to fork out a decent amount of money, upgrading every 2-3 years and new build every 5-6 years (thanks to lack of CPU advances its getting longer between bulids.
My Rig Cost me £1000 approx 4 and half years ago
i7 2700K
8gb Ram (now 16gb)
560ti (now 770GTX)
1tb Hard Drive
This is fine running games at 1080i on medium/high settings, but its getting long in the tooth, for my liking.
Minimum setting for Quantum Theory, I am sure its inflated (depends on port), As a PC gamer the I enjoy the multi format games as well as PC exclusives, But I want a new monitor/VR with my new rig so I can justify the upgrade. You average gamer wont suddenly decide to buy a PC, and when they buy a budget pc they suddenly get dishearted when they can'nt play the games a console can,
As a PS4 owner I don't mind, it's the fact Sony helped create the title that counts, not who gets to play it.
Good for most people.
People already owning an X1 only should not care.
People owning both an X1 and a gaming PC might see some up sides.
People owning a gaming PC will probably do fine without an X1 for the whole generation, and might save a few bucks.
I don´t think it will be good for X1 sales, it might even discourage a few people from buying one (probably not a lot), but for most gamers this should be a good thing.
People already owning an X1 only should not care.
People owning both an X1 and a gaming PC might see some up sides.
People owning a gaming PC will probably do fine without an X1 for the whole generation, and might save a few bucks.
I don´t think it will be good for X1 sales, it might even discourage a few people from buying one (probably not a lot), but for most gamers this should be a good thing.
It's not about only the console anymore...it's about the ecosystem. Xbox is on Windows, XB1, X360, Win10mobile, iPhone, Android...the brand is getting bigger than just the console itself. Once you realize that games should follow you wherever and whatever you are using, you won't be mad because it's not the console. Games should transcend your console. When I go to the next version of Xbox...I expect my games to follow me there.
A game is a game is a game. I buy a game not because of xbox...but because I like the game. Now if that game follows me everywhere in the MS ecosystem...I'm good. My Gamerscore follows me, my messages, my friends, my party chat anywhere...I'm good. The console isn't the thing the connect everyone anymore.
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This is the reason why sales of XB1 doesn't matter (to a point...still need a good amount). PS4 can blow it out of the water (as it has been)...but MS gets the sales on the PC and the XB1 and that's a bigger fanbase. MS wins because they have a two edged sword whereas Sony only has 1.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Some people get attached to the hardware, sure, but I think there are some real concerns (even if they don't affect you, just like always-online didn't affect some potential Xbox One buyers) that are being glossed over here.
For one, some people bought and invested in the XBox One platform under the assumption that certain games would only be available on that platform. That assumption has been overturned, so people feel a little burned. Nothing fanboyish or console-warz about that at all. It's a valid feeling. People can choose to blow up about it and behave fanboyish, but that's on them. The core feeling is still valid.
For two, seems like we may have a situation where games are delayed for Xbox One owners to allow for PC ports, as has been pointed out. That's an objective effect on Xbox One owners, no ifs ands or buts about it.
For three, people want their console of choice to do well. There's being a fan of a console and being a raving fanboy. I don't think people wanting their console to do well is fanboyish, though it can be taken to that degree. I don't think people shaking their heads and seeing this as a negative is fanboyish. I can't think of a single instance where losing console exclusives was "great" for a console. I can think of plenty of times when it didn't matter much, and maybe it won't matter here, but there are also times when losing an exclusive affected the future of the console.
To say otherwise is awfully defensive.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Providing a streaming (degraded quality) service for back-catalog games to any capable streaming device with bluetooth controller support is quite different from porting your latest and greatest AAA games day and date on Windows and Xbox One, with potentially a superior experience on PC.
Where streamed gaming is heading, there's issues with ownership, video quality and latency, online service reliability that need to be fixed before that can be superior to owning your own console and games.
I am sure it would piss off some people like me who bought a PS4 for the exclusives pretty much but I gather the vast majority wouldn't care.
I would love to see the Uncharted collection on PC.
Better chance for the game to sell better means more money for MS to make more and better games for XB1 (and PC). Cross-play titles mean bigger community and player-base. 'Games not available anywhere else' is actually not that primary of a reason why the average consumer buys a console or why consoles sell well. And again, the emphasis is more on 'Games not available on the direct competitor console' rather than also not on PC.
I don't have an Xbox, but I do have a ps4 and a good PC. I couldn't justify the money for an Xbox so I missed out on some games. With this new stance, Microsoft will get some money from me now. I would obviously prefer a steam version buy of it's win 10 store only, I'll get it when I upgrade
their is no dire situation though last i heard the xbox one was selling better than the 360 was just not as well as the ps4. So instead of buckling down and focusing on the xbox one it now looks like they have given up. I'm not saying that they have it just looks like that at a glance. Either way this E3 is gonna be extremely interesting to see the direction that Microsoft goes with the xbox one.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Because they're not making enough profit, or so it seems. Plus having previously worked for Microsoft for about 5-6 years, I've seen them be pretty quick with cutting off the stuff that isn't giving them what they want. Now I believe Xbox is a cornerstone of Microsoft but I don't think it's beyond just being re-purposed for PC and such or wherever Microsoft believes the big money to be. It's mainly the corporate culture I experienced that makes me kind of unsure of whether they'll continue on the traditional path.
And well, whether the average console gamer has any interest or not is pretty irrelevant if there's not enough of them buying Xbox consoles.
IcyRhythms
Member
Yeah, I'm not really looking for Sony to do much in the way of streaming on PC, unless it's some older PS2/PS1 games. I'm looking for them to take well known first party IP's from PS3 and PS4 and CONSIDER what would make sense to put on PC and what would not. PC gamers enjoy so many different experiences(especially considering PC has its own genres)the answer would truly be whatever Sony wants. You're just leaving money on the table at this point. PC can't be ignored.
I'll respond to each of those points in order:
Less perceived value - This is perception not reality and from the wording itself already suggests it is irrational
Less sales - Again the person already bought the console so the "now I have no reason to buy x console" should not be relevant to them. If the hypothetical person didn't already have a PC, they would not be "wasting" money as they would have had to spend double, triple or even more than the cost of an Xbox One to get a PC.
Less sales leading to less ports - the amount of new customers that the Xbox console loses because games go PC as well, is negligible and therefore will have a negligible effect on ports coming or not. These are the reasons:
1) AAA, cross-platform games (Games that were already releasing on PC long before this QB announcement) is what sells consoles, not these console exclusive new IPs. This has been proven again and again this gen. Even a WELL established AAA IP such as Halo did not give the Xbox any true significant, lasting boost.
2) People who didnt already have a PC, either specifically enjoy console gaming or cannot afford to buy a nice PC, which leaves their choice of purchase between the Xbox, PS4 or Wii U. These games going to PC doesn't affect their choice as the only place to play the games on console will STILL be Xbox. So for this group of consumer, if they are enticed by these games that are going over to PC, will still be picking the Xbox.
3) Your specific example of Japanese games is not affected by Xbox's console sales at all. Even during the 360, where the Xbox was arguably number 1, it got very little niche Japanese support except for the games they funded in some way. It has everything to do with Xbox's poor performance in Japan, which does not change with this initiative to release games on PC. To a lesser degree, a secondary reason Xbox does not get these ports is because the audience does not support the types of Japanese games you listed. Given a similar userbase in North America, Japanese games perform poorly on the Xbox one compared to their PS4 counterpart. This is again, a factor that is unaffected by the PC port initiative MS is taking.
Quadraphonic
Member
More platforms means the developer is spread more thin.
PC QA means time is taken away from other QA. Patches for PC written by devs means less time fixing other console-based issues. Artists and designers have to spend more time making new menus, boxes, instruction manuals, etc.
is this actually true?
is Xbox One + gaming rig pc install base bigger than PS4 install base?
GAF isn't a hivemind
Yes, we were just supposed to believe them again after they had not delivered for so many years. the two groups you describe are vastly different people. If you even bother to read the thread you'd see most are happy this is happening. Trying to lump all of GAF together to fit your narrative is both wrong and childish
In this case, people can still get behind Xbox because Xbox games are Windows only. Sony's expanding their gaming catalog via PS Now to more hardware (using your logic people should be pissed at Sony since people bought PS3's for those games). NX is rumored to be developing two devices that share games/experiences.
Times are changing and people will just have to change with it. They'll adjust their perspective from the antiquated ideas of closed hardware to game services and digital licenses.
Some people will get left behind and that is their choice. The rest of us will move forward and continue enjoying games.
Ol No Bones
Banned
joecanada
Member
lol ITT I learned that xbox and Microsoft were two different armies.
Dictator93
Member
We have yet to see the quality of the service that MS is offering on PC, so far the walled gardening and quality of the Port (TR) leave much to be desired.
So yes, skepticism on the side of PC players is still justified. With or without quoting the extremely true timeline.