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[Bgamer90]

Every console I've ever owned since the Atari 2600 I've kept. The Xbox One will be the first console I ever sell.

I'm just waiting for Gamestop to have a nice promo bonus, and its gone. Then I'll trade that credit for giftcards, probably for Amazon. That's the plan.

The outlook for the Xbox One just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't feel any kind of affinity for it and the decision to port its few watermark games does not help. I could not recommend the console to ANYONE. If they don't even care, why should I?

Uhh... They do care. They want a new IP to do well. Sales show that many console gamers really couldn't care less about PC gaming so the game is still pretty much viewed as an exclusive to many people (a la Street Fighter V).

This move will cause Quantum Break to have a better shot at doing well, which will thus cause it to be in a better position to turn into a series, and thus cause the Xbox brand to have association with another game brand.

I'm really amazed at the response this is getting from (apparently) some of the most hardcore gamers. We want(ed) new AAA IPs. MS makes a move that will help a new IP do better while at the same time not impacting the majority of console gamers (as many of them don't care about PC gaming) but yet this is bad. I don't get it at all.

I guess some would prefer the game to stay Xbox only and send Phil a ton of tweets in the future (3-4 years from now) about why they aren't making a Quantum Break sequel.

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Of and don't be surprised if they announce that 360 backwards compatibility is coming to windows 10. Once Xenia is properly up and running and starts gathering some steam they will look at it and think "we could make money from people who want to play 360 games on their PC". I don't know what it will mean for Xenia at that point in time but I do think they will bring Xbox 360 BC to windows 10 when the time is right.

Yeah, this has to be happening. Why do all the work if it's only Xbox One? They definitely want Xbox to turn into a service/hub in which people have access to a ton of games across various Windows devices.

 

[Koyuga]

It makes sense. Bring in more sales while still keeping your titles out of the hands of the competition. Every console game needs a PC port. It's neutral ground.

 

[Hyunashi]

It makes sense. Bring in more sales while still keeping your titles out of the hands of the competition. Every console game needs a PC port. It's neutral ground.

No, they dont. I respectfully disagree. It takes value away from the console.

Regardless, releasing these games are good for consumers so you have my thanks MS!

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I don't think they're admitting defeat..

They are lowkey. I know they just didnt think of this overnight as the best idea for xbox gamers. If they did they should of been had this for 360 and early XB1 exclusives.

 

[c0de]

Of and don't be surprised if they announce that 360 backwards compatibility is coming to windows 10. Once Xenia is properly up and running and starts gathering some steam they will look at it and think "we could make money from people who want to play 360 games on their PC". I don't know what it will mean for Xenia at that point in time but I do think they will bring Xbox 360 BC to windows 10 when the time is right.

I think a big appeal would be that you can play games you didn't buy with xenia.
If MS is bringing bc to pc, I think it's more work for them to make sure everything works with the various configurations a pc can have but it's nothing they can't do. I guess it also relies on how different the xdk is to DirectX essentially.
Also they have to offer some kind of store for the old games, combined with the publishers giving their ok with games which is also a problem right now.
The current state of xenia is also quite impressive but it will still take a lot of work to be able to appeal to masses which could also never happen at all. For example, I doubt that with xenia you will ever be able to play online with your friends on xbl.

 

[etta]

No, they dont. I respectfully disagree. It takes value away from the console.

Regardless, releasing these games are good for consumers so you have my thanks MS!

No, it doesn't take value away.
Consoles don't compete with the PC.

 

[Bgamer90]

No, they dont. I respectfully disagree. It takes value away from the console.

Regardless, releasing these games are good for consumers so you have my thanks MS!

What value does it take away from the console when the majority of console players don't even play on PC (hence why multiplats do so well on consoles in the first place)?

Does Street Fighter V coming to PC somehow take away value from the PS4 being attractive to console gamers that like fighting games?

 

[GnawtyDog]

No, it doesn't take value away.
Consoles don't compete with the PC.

I assume for this to be true disposable income for gaming must be infinite for every gamer that exist.

 

[c0de]

No, it doesn't take value away.
Consoles don't compete with the PC.

I also don't think they are in such a big competition. In some way they are but this didn't stop the consoles last gen to move 160 million units (of course without Wii).
PC had very much better performance through all multiplatform games.
There are way more reasons to buy a console instead of a pc with many arguments pc users are trying to argue since ever but this never stopped the success of consoles.
Each platform has their own appeal and it's good to have actual choices.

 

[DocSeuss]

No, they dont. I respectfully disagree. It takes value away from the console.

Regardless, releasing these games are good for consumers so you have my thanks MS!

Taking away value from consoles is a good thing.

 

[Crayon]

It's not like these games are coming to steam. They're being used as carrots to get gamers to click on the stupid store. It's not that big a deal.

The reactions today on gaf however, qualify as an event. Seeing the fanboy rhetoric shift and morph and crawl up it's own ass has been marvelous and kept me glued to the screen.

Microsoft Releasing Exclusives on PC Is Great for GAF Readers

 

[etta]

I assume for this to be true disposable income for gaming must be infinite for every gamer that exist.

The overlap is tiny. That's why they're [MS and Sony] doing this in the first place. The sales they get from PC > the loss from selling consoles to some of those people.

 

[wapplew]

This whole thread feel like rubbing salt on Xbox fans wound.

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

Every console I've ever owned since the Atari 2600 I've kept. The Xbox One will be the first console I ever sell.

I'm just waiting for Gamestop to have a nice promo bonus, and its gone. Then I'll trade that credit for giftcards, probably for Amazon. That's the plan.

The outlook for the Xbox One just keeps getting worse and worse. I don't feel any kind of affinity for it and the decision to port its few watermark games does not help. I could not recommend the console to ANYONE. If they don't even care, why should I?

BTW, Windows 10 fuckin' sucks. I got a new PC with it and during setup they ask you to send all kinds of personal data to them; you gotta make sure to untick almost every box if you value your privacy. I gave it a fair shot but just could not take it. Had to install Classic Shell immediately. They've also permanently lost the web browser war (for me at least), so its pretty pathetic they try to grab on your leg pant as you walk away from them (AKA try to set Chrome as default, only for W10 to not accept it)

Total brain fart. I think you should maybe get rid of of your pc and xbox. You sound unhappy with both

 

[GHG]

I think a big appeal would be that you can play games you didn't buy with xenia.
If MS is bringing bc to pc, I think it's more work for them to make sure everything works with the various configurations a pc can have but it's nothing they can't do. I guess it also relies on how different the xdk is to DirectX essentially.
Also they have to offer some kind of store for the old games, combined with the publishers giving their ok with games which is also a problem right now.
The current state of xenia is also quite impressive but it will still take a lot of work to be able to appeal to masses which could also never happen at all. For example, I doubt that with xenia you will ever be able to play online with your friends on xbl.

If they can get BC working on the Xbox One I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to get it working on the PC in a DX12 environment. It just depends on how much demand there is for it and how much they want to do it I guess. They can also get cross play online going if they want as they have proven with Killer Instinct.

I think you should stick to your ps4, definitely. Having a game come to Windows that was 99.9 percent certain to come to pc anyway cause you to feel this way is deffo enough evidence that you should sell it. You should probs sell your pc too and just stick to the beast that is the ps4. It has all the games you need

He didn't even mention the PS4 in his post. Are you feeling ok?

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

If they can get BC working on the Xbox One I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to get it working on the PC in a DX12 environment. It just depends on how much demand there is for it and how much they want to do it I guess. They can also get cross play online going if they want as they have proven with Killer Instinct.



He didn't even mention the PS4 in his post. Are you feeling ok?

Oh shit just woke up and scrolling down on my phone. Must have had a brain fart lol. Thx for heads up. I'll edit it. Apologies to the guy I quoted

Edit wait a minute he mentions ps4 in his title?

 

[texhnolyze]

Anyone take a look at Phil Spencer's twitter today? I hate giving someone like Crapgamer attention, but this was too good.

Phil said it pretty well:

I'm really hoping they go all the way with the idea that it's about the experience, opening up the next Xbox and making it a true Windows 10 gaming rig that can play things like Steam as well.

Damn, Phil summarized these threads on neogaf with two tweets.

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

If releasing the games on PC means giving these games a better chance to be successful, I'm all for it. I've been very happy with MS as a publisher this gen. They've released great games like KI, Sunset, and Halo 5, and have invested in some really interesting upcoming stuff like Recore and Scalebound. I want them to continue doing this. Having games on both Xbox One and Windows 10 helps this.

I'm also of the opinion that the market for consoles is different than the market for high end PCs. As someone who doesn't have a particularly powerful PC, the news that Quantum Break is coming to PC doesn't devalue my Xbox One in anyway.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wasnt there some rumor of steam being put on X1?

 

[Worship]

It's not a bad thing.

But yes, nearly all Microsoft exclusives on dual platforms, is a bad thing.

 

[nynt9]

Wasnt there some rumor of steam being put on X1?

No?

 

[c0de]

If they can get BC working on the Xbox One I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to get it working on the PC in a DX12 environment. It just depends on how much demand there is for it and how much they want to do it I guess. They can also get cross play online going if they want as they have proven with Killer Instinct.

Of course they can, I never said they can't. I think it is just a lot of work to do so but we also don't know exactly how they are emulating 360 games technically so that is of course just a wild guess.
And yes, they could enable cross play and an official emulator would have many benefits xenia doesn't have but again, xenia would be able to emulate more (if not all) games and would also work with isos.

 

[nOoblet16]

While more people experiencing a game is definitely great you also have to consider the point of what makes the console worth it to PC owners.

I bought an Xbox One so that I could play Xboc exclusives, yet the moment I bought an Xbox One to play Dead Rising 3 and Ryse...they ended up on PC.

I buy every other tittle either on PC or PS4. So outside of Halo, Gears, Sunset Overdrive and Forza (which I don't play) the console has little to no big names left. And there are rumors circulating that Gears 4 might make it's way to PC too with Scalebound.

There is another issue with it, imagine if there were no exclusives. The gaming industry would get negatively affected of that were the case since not only will it make platforms irrelevant it will also mean that the competition dies down and competition is healthy. Ofc this doesnt apply to Quantum Break as it's not coming to PS4 but I wanted to use it as an example to show how games being on more platform isn't always by default the best scenario.

 

[etta]

While more people experiencing a game is definitely great you also have to consider the point of what makes the console worth it to PC owners.

I bought an Xbox One so that I could play Xboc exclusives, yet the moment I bought an Xbox One to play Dead Rising 3 and Ryse...they ended up on PC.

I buy every other tittle either on PC or PS4. So outside of Halo, Gears, Sunset Overdrive and Forza (which I don't play) the console has little to no big names left. And there are rumors circulating that Gears 4 might make it's way to PC too with Scalebound.

There is another issue with it, imagine if there were no exclusives. The gaming industry would get negatively affected of that were the case since not only will it make platforms irrelevant it will also mean that the competition dies down and competition is healthy. Ofc this doesnt apply to Quantum Break as it's not coming to PS4 but I wanted to use it as an example to show how games being on more platform isn't always by default the best scenario.

I doubt Microsoft didn't consider these things.

 

[Lanrutcon]

There is another issue with it, imagine if there were no exclusives. The gaming industry would get negatively affected of that were the case since not only will it make platforms irrelevant it will also mean that the competition dies down and competition is healthy. Ofc this doesnt apply to Quantum Break as it's not coming to PS4 but I wanted to use it as an example to show how games being on more platform isn't always by default the best scenario.

Whoa there. If exclusives go away then there'll be even more competition since you can't just moneyhat big IPs to steal customers. They'd actually have to offer competitive services, features and the costing thereof.

 

[Bru]

He didn't even mention the PS4 in his post. Are you feeling ok?

Is your eyesight ok? It's right there in the post title, in big bold letters ;-)

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

BTW, Windows 10 fuckin' sucks. I got a new PC with it and during setup they ask you to send all kinds of personal data to them; you gotta make sure to untick almost every box if you value your privacy. I gave it a fair shot but just could not take it. Had to install Classic Shell immediately. They've also permanently lost the web browser war (for me at least), so its pretty pathetic they try to grab on your leg pant as you walk away from them (AKA try to set Chrome as default, only for W10 to not accept it)

W10 does absolutely suck in so many way I don't know how there isn't more of an uproar about it. I just 'upgraded' my laptop to it and the amount of shit that you have to disable or uninstall is crazy. I've noticed ZERO speed or boot difference too. Seems like basically I've sold my personal info and browsing habits to MS.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

And people wonder why society has a negative perception towards gamers lol.

This thread (and a few others) along with certain loud angry voices on social media are an embarrassment to this hobby of ours.

 

[ViviOggi]

This whole thread feel like rubbing salt on Xbox fans wound.

If this announcement leaves a fucking wound in anyone they should think long and hard about their relationship to a gaming brand

 

[Rurunaki]

And people wonder why society has a negative perception towards gamers lol.

This thread (and a few others) along with certain loud angry voices on social media are an embarrassment to this hobby of ours.

Why is it an embarassment? People have varying opinions and they all have points to back them up. It's one thing to have your games spread to the PC market, but it's another to shaft your fan base.

Quantum Break was basically the Xbox One killer app which made people buy the system. I have no problem with it coming out to the PC, but the way it was marketed by MS made it seem all too shady. MS made a point that QB will not being coming to PC until about a month before it is actually released. This is all too different in what we see from let's say Sony where they use "Console Exclusive" to avoid the pitfall.

The outrage is more with how MS dealt with this announcement rather than QB people not wanting the game to be played by any other gamers. This is amidst Phil saying they will be more transparent with their player base.This might also bite MS in the ass that their big games are basically 3rd party at this point making Nintendo and Sony consoles that much more attractive as they have games you can't play anywhere else.

 

[patapuf]

While more people experiencing a game is definitely great you also have to consider the point of what makes the console worth it to PC owners.

I bought an Xbox One so that I could play Xboc exclusives, yet the moment I bought an Xbox One to play Dead Rising 3 and Ryse...they ended up on PC.

I buy every other tittle either on PC or PS4. So outside of Halo, Gears, Sunset Overdrive and Forza (which I don't play) the console has little to no big names left. And there are rumors circulating that Gears 4 might make it's way to PC too with Scalebound.

There is another issue with it, imagine if there were no exclusives. The gaming industry would get negatively affected of that were the case since not only will it make platforms irrelevant it will also mean that the competition dies down and competition is healthy. Ofc this doesnt apply to Quantum Break as it's not coming to PS4 but I wanted to use it as an example to show how games being on more platform isn't always by default the best scenario.

It doesn't make a difference for Microsoft if you buy their exclusives from the Win10 Store or for the Xbox. They just skip the part where they sell you a box they don't make money on anway. Xbox One sales that don't lead to sales of third party software or Xbox live subscriptions aren't worth all that much to MS.

As for competition. So far this generation, exclusive games for Xbox one and PS4 haven't had much impact. It's all about price, services and hardware power. That's not going away with exclusives.

 

[Lanrutcon]

What this thread has taught me is that way too many people pick platforms based on which games are held hostage by whom.

 

[Rurunaki]

What this thread has taught me is that way too many people pick platforms based on which games are held hostage by whom.

Uhhh.. it's always been that way since like forever.. That's why you have the rivalry of Sega/Nintendo and now Nintendo/MS/Sony.. It's how you entice consumers to buy your console.. It also extends to every other consumable thing in this world.

 

[mrklaw]

Let me stream to my Xbox from my PC. All one ecosystem now it seems. Give me a reason to buy/keep an Xbox one if I have a gaming PC by using it as a rich extender for the living room

Possibly also a good reason to bring out a cut down Xbox slim that only does streaming and media apps.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Uhhh.. it's always been that way since like forever.. That's why you have the rivalry of Sega/Nintendo and now Nintendo/MS/Sony.. It's how you entice consumers to buy your console.. It also extends to every other consumable thing in this world.

Yeah, true. It means brand loyalty is skin deep, right?

 

[Pantaghana]

I assume for this to be true disposable income for gaming must be infinite for every gamer that exist.

It's true because disposable income isn't infinite.
People want to be efficient with their money so they what they consider a good deal, consoles are a good deal.

 

[Koobion]

I can't believe these people are that bothered over this that they crying to Phil Spencer. "OH Phil, Phil, tell me it'll be okay." For fuck sake. It's just so petty.

 

[Rurunaki]

Yeah, true. It means brand loyalty is skin deep, right?

Not true. It's that competitive edge that drives companies to produce products that they think consumers will buy and in this case game IPs to attract them to their consoles. Saying its superficial is akin to asking Nintendo to cancel NX and just develop their games for PC for mad profits.

 

[LilJoka]

Let me stream to my Xbox from my PC. All one ecosystem now it seems. Give me a reason to buy/keep an Xbox one if I have a gaming PC by using it as a rich extender for the living room

Possibly also a good reason to bring out a cut down Xbox slim that only does streaming and media apps.

Or build a mini itx PC and put it in the living room. Now you have real browser, YouTube, Netflix, steam, music players and anything else at your disposal without sacrificing video quality by streaming.

 

[patapuf]

Not true. It's that competitive edge that drives companies to produce products that they think consumers will buy and in this case game IPs to attract them to their consoles. Saying its superficial is akin to asking Nintendo to cancel NX and just develop their games for PC for mad profits.

How about Nintendo has a console and sells their games per e-shop on PC. Would that have hurt their sales this gen?

I mean, there's a reason Nintendo start dipping their toes into mobile.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Why is it an embarassment? People have varying opinions and they all have points to back them up. It's one thing to have your games spread to the PC market, but it's another to shaft your fan base.

Quantum Break was basically the Xbox One killer app which made people buy the system. I have no problem with it coming out to the PC, but the way it was marketed by MS made it seem all too shady. MS made a point that QB will not being coming to PC until about a month before it is actually released. This is all too different in what we see from let's say Sony where they use "Console Exclusive" to avoid the pitfall.

The outrage is more with how MS dealt with this announcement rather than QB people not wanting the game to be played by any other gamers. This is amidst Phil saying they will be more transparent with their player base.This might also bite MS in the ass that their big games are basically 3rd party at this point making Nintendo and Sony consoles that much more attractive as they have games you can't play anywhere else.

I will need to respectfully disagree with your definition of 'shafting'. If that's how you really feel though, fair enough.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Not true. It's that competitive edge that drives companies to produce products that they think consumers will buy and in this case game IPs to attract them to their consoles. Saying its superficial is akin to asking Nintendo to cancel NX and just develop their games for PC for mad profits.

Think you're misunderstanding me.

What I mean is that, if exclusives are the primary force that draws you to your platform, then you're loyal to the exclusives, not the platform. If there were no exclusives and you still chose to buy an Xbox, that's Xbox brand loyalty. But if you bought an Xbox for Gears, and the notion that Gears could be released on PC as well bothers you, that's Gears brand loyalty.

The conclusion I reached from this thread is that platform brand loyalty is skin deep.

Edit: Changed 'console' to 'platform', for obvious reasons.

 

[mrklaw]

Or build a mini itx PC and put it in the living room. Now you have real browser, YouTube, Netflix, steam, music players and anything else at your disposal without sacrificing video quality by streaming.

I don't want to be upgrading two PCs and if one is lower powered I would be streaming anyway via steam. So in that case I'd prefer it to be a more approachable box - I like the Xbox one for media playback - can cast youtube to it, it has plex, and the DVR passthrough is handy for notifications etc.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Why buy a xbox and pay for xbox live gold if a can buy a PC and get better graphics, free online and cheaper games?

This is true no matter which exclusive games also gets released on PC.

 

[pezley]

Probably because Microsoft have realized that console gamers and pc gamers are very different and whilst you get a large portion that either have both or are exclusive to one platform you only have a minimal amount who are dedicated to one and swap to the other. This means that it's very hard to tempt a PC Gamer to consoles with games and vice versa.

we have seen many games go to consoles and never hit PC's and yet PC gamers will still defend their choice, even if they are missing out ( this works the other way to ). People are in nature very stubborn when they have dropped money and invested time into something and it's rare for peoples opinion to change entirely. You make the most of what you have.

This way Microsoft build windows 10 as a gaming platform for PC gamers, build Xbox as a partner to PC Gaming, build a new IP with a much larger audience.

Every body wins.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Phil said it pretty well:

This would be the case if it wern't competeing with a system that has a plethora of exclusives on the horizon. It isn't a case of Xbox One or PC, to the general consumer its PS4 or Xbox One, both of which have the third party games they want. It isn't just about third party games though its the overall library as a whole and whats more appealing, lots and lots of games that are only on the platform or a handful of games that are also on PC? Even if you don't have a gaming PC the value is lost on Xbox One's exclusives, its not that there's no reason to buy one its that the PS4 looks more appealing as thats the only place you can play those games.

A second place console should be trying to compete with high quality software, instead its not competeing at all. Price is the same, hardwares pretty much the same, they're pretty much the same black box. Best port away all our exclusives then, thats bound to cause Xbox One sales to skyrocket.

Its great for PC gamers, the more games the better. Its bad for Xbox as a brand.

It isn't about PC or Console, its about console or console.

 

[Victarion]

Everything should be on PC because my platform of choice is PC. Trying to argue that this has nothing to do with port begging but rather "exclusives are bad for consumers", yet you won't see the same crowd asking for Microsoft games on Sony's platforms or Nintendo on Microsoft's, etc.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Everything should be on PC because my platform of choice is PC. Trying to argue that this has nothing to do with port begging but rather "exclusives are bad for consumers", yet you won't see the same crowd asking for Microsoft games on Sony's platforms or Nintendo on Microsoft's, etc.

As a consumer, I think it would be swell if everything were free. If you don't think everything should be free, you must be a brainwashed corporate loyalist.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Even if many games where not also being released on PC I would still have enough options to not make me want to spend $300 on a PS4/bone. Then $60 on each big game when PC games are cheaper.

I just need that 60fps and versatility.

 

[jmga]

Everything should be on PC because my platform of choice is PC. Trying to argue that this has nothing to do with port begging but rather "exclusives are bad for consumers", yet you won't see the same crowd asking for Microsoft games on Sony's platforms or Nintendo on Microsoft's, etc.

PC as an open platform has objective advantages for consumers, like game preservation or mods.

Even if I didn't have a PC, I would like to have every game released on PC because I know I will buy a PC some day in the future, and those games will be there and I will be playable at high resolution and framerate.