Because prior to his election run he was a vocal liberal NY businessman who has also donated to Democratic candidates. I honestly don't believe Trump believes 90% of what he's saying and that's the problem, if you vote for Trump you are getting a complete wild card. Why people love to demonize "special interests" groups they forget that those groups represent particular policies and sections of the population who can hold a candidate responsible for their promises. Workers Unions/AFL-CIO, teacher's unions, planned parenthood, NAACP, these are all special interest groups.
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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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Because prior to his election run he was a vocal liberal NY businessman who has also donated to Democratic candidates. I honestly don't believe Trump believes 90% of what he's saying and that's the problem, if you vote for Trump you are getting a complete wild card. Why people love to demonize "special interests" groups they forget that those groups represent particular policies and sections of the population who can hold a candidate responsible for their promises. Workers Unions/AFL-CIO, teacher's unions, planned parenthood, NAACP, these are all special interest groups.
Outside of superdelegates, he's 44 to Hillary's 51. That's still really close despite superdelegates who can switch with whoever's got momentum.
Good post. But I think that, due to Sanders and his momentum, Hillary is now left of where she started. We're not going to get a revolution under her, but if she's even a solid progressive, that's a big victory from where she started as a centrist.
The lone bright spot that I saw for Bernie, didn't he win Hispanics in Nevada? I thought I saw that somewhere. That's good news, I guess.
Michael F. Assbender
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Good for you. Your idealism may fuck over millions. But at least you can rest easy.
The dude says harmful shit, that has already led to people hurt, but folks wanna just chalk it up to trolling. The dude is using Hitler's playbook and folks seem to have no issue with that for some reason. Fucking privileged assholes.
Yep. Flat tax, no IRS, no abortion and no gay marriage. Guy is as hard right as it comes.
Plus, as said before, who the fuck would like to have a beer with him?
ErnieMcCracken
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Wall, China, Hispanics love him, his daughter is hot, Wall, Guns, 'Merica.
exmachina64
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MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
LOOK AT HOW PRETTY MY DAUGHTER IS
HERE'S MY WIFE
FUCK THE MEXICANS
FUCK ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU AMERICA ISN'T GREAT
WE'RE GONNA BE WINNERS CUZ THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS
RPGCrazied
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Doesn't he always? Ban Muslims, build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. Take our jobs back from China/Mexico.
Rinse and repeat at nauseam.
He showed support for Cruz and Rubio for getting second and third and then got stabbed in the back during Cruz's speech. He also said the wall got 10 feet higher and got applauded for it.
GoldenEye 007
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SEC SEC SEC primary? When did this happen. I've never heard this term until today.
Manmademan
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eh, Trump was also a Romney surrogate and stumped hard for him in 2012. The guy is a republican, he's just not the evangelical lunatic type republican.
behind the bombast he's probably closer to a reagan/dole/HW Bush republican in terms of policy. not GOOD but not exactly Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum.
Of course, but lets be honest. A lot of Bernie support IS from younger voters. young voters typically don't turn out for the midterms. It's why the GOP usually win those. Not because their voter turnout is high. But higher than the opposition.
So then I have to ask. Do Bernie supporters truly care about the process or will they just be upset their guy didn't get in? A dem elected president will be able to put 2-3 justices on the supreme court. That alone is huge!
Kim Davis is a democrat. Past voting records are irrelevant at this point in time. Or Hillary wouldn't be getting half the flack she is.
If I was forced to hang out with him, I'd insist on hard booze at the very least.
Then I could rush to pass out.
Michael F. Assbender
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I think that was based on early exit polls and has since been retracted.
Not anymore. We lost her. So sad.
That was just Jeb being a mentor.
No.
The entrance polls were wrong.
The actual data shows Hillary won the areas where Hispanics live in Nevada.
BUNTING1243
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Obama was preforming well with demographics that are coming up in a lot of the Super Tuesday states (i.e. not white people) and had won Nevada on top of Iowa. She was much less of a sure thing than she is now.
GuyKazama
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I bought Art of the Deal just to understand Trump. It is all right there in those pages. That book really is his bible, and his entire campaign makes sense having read it.
He says this stuff because it works, but in between the lines he is 100% honest (excluding hyperbole) on his views. This provides a protective shield from criticism and sells his authenticity. He has both liberal and conservative positions that cut across both parties, and I think will attract independents.
His dad fucking hates him. You can see it in his face every single time he's on TV.
Whatever you and I think about Trump I think we can unite in the joy that another Bush will not be in the Whitehouse.
If he got the nomination; then "Bernie supporters" would be the majority of the dems. And it would be on the democrats for not turning out to vote, not just "Bernie supporters".
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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They look at it like a stockholder looks at a company: if it isn't growing steadily, it's "weak".
I have no idea.
I would imagine that if the Dems in 2018 or 2020 put forthe another Hillary like establishment player, they won't show up. If they put forth Bernie like candidates, sure.
I don't know if that answered your question.
CNN entrance polls still say that Sanders edged her out among Latinos:
http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/NV/Dem
Even to close the gap as he has among general voters, and Latinos, is quite an achievement. It's not enough to get the nomination, but I hope Sanders stays in for a good while. The Democratic Party desperately needs him.
Cruz is the single biggest liar. He's probably worse than Jeb Bush even.
Entrance polling was wrong about the Hispanic vote.
Rubio and Cruz only really have one path to the Nomination and that is brokered convention. Texas could potentially be a strong showing for Cruz and Texas has 155 delegates at stake.
Wait, is this the third agency Rick Perry wanted gone? He's finally been avenged.
At this stage you also need independent voters. I highly doubt independents would turn out for Bernie in 2020. Personally I just think it's too soon. Not saying a Hillary would be a sure bet.
But dems will not get another Obama for a long time. He's a once in a generation type candidate.
OuterLimits
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True. The narrative of Trump being a Democrat in the past is true, but he has been a Republican often over the years as well. He has donated more money to Republicans as well. He even donated to Ted Cruz in 2014. Lol. Remember Reagan was a Democrat for many years as well. Even as a Republican Gov of California he signed a bill which liberalized abortion rights and raised taxes several times. He bailed out Social security in 1983, and tripled the deficit in his 8 years. So he got more conservative as he aged, but still had some moderate positions at times.
crimsonheadGCN
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Isn't his dad a lot worse in his beliefs than Ted?
GoldenEye 007
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He's pushing for a simple flat tax system. Therefore eliminating the need for much of the modern IRS.
LizardKing
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Cruz should really be going after Rubio IMO, not Trump. A lot of Rubio's people are the "not Trump" vote that would potentially switch. His support seems very timid. If he could add Rubio's supporters to his, he not only will surge ahead of Rubio but would start competing with Trump.
Instead of trying to filter off a few points from Trump who want non establishment. Then what? He pulls more even and still has to fight off Rubio and Trump.
Instead of trying to filter off a few points from Trump who want non establishment. Then what? He pulls more even and still has to fight off Rubio and Trump.
A fine symphony of words that I perfectly balanced with a glass of fine whiskey on ice, while reading and watching the salt pour from both Liberals/Conservatives alike.
Basically a great Saturday night.
minor effort
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I try not to put too much stock into the "Bernie or nobody" crowd today. It's only February. Check back in with them in October and see if that coalition is still there.
ErnieMcCracken
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Either my idealism or Hillary's, you're screwd either way if you ask me. Though my ideals is actually to benefit the world.
I like Bernie because of what he stands for and wants to accomplish. Why would I vote for Hillary when she doesn't have the traits for why I even like Bernie? She'll say anything to win, she's been this way for so long. I don't like her.
I see. Thanks for the info. So I take it that Super Tuesday is the deciding factor?
Black Republican
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Where Jeb! voters go, per NBC/SurveyMonkey: Rubio 19, Kasich 16, Cruz 12, Trump 11, Carson 9, DK 23
https://t.co/bU1KRfQtUa
https://t.co/bU1KRfQtUa
Trump and Cruz are competing for maniacs. The upscale, educated voters that Rubio is attracting aren't interested in Cruz.
ErnieMcCracken
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Then at least vote for Hillary for the sake of the Supreme Court.
My dad is a big Fox News fan. I remember watching Donald Trump calling into Fox and Friends every week with him and thinking that this man is a maniac. I don't doubt he believes (mostly) what he's saying. He would have to have been playing a really long con.
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