Abinash117
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More than half of the SC primary are simply not educated enough. If you google you can tell that SC is at that bottom when it comes to education.
I'm sure we are going to get a lot of that.
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The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm
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More than half of the SC primary are simply not educated enough. If you google you can tell that SC is at that bottom when it comes to education.
Leona Lewis
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Light theme.More than half of the SC primary are simply not educated enough. If you google you can tell that SC is at that bottom win it comes to education.
If any Reddit-style extreme Bernie voters jump onto the Trump train (and I really hope there aren't many), then I don't want their votes since they obviously don't care about progressive values in any way. Those types of people are more voting hipsters than principled people.
I'm not from SC so it's moot for this primary, but I know that I'd love to have more liberal policies. However, I don't care so much as to throw my vote away out of spite or anger, and I actually like Hillary so voting for her is easy.
Sectorseven
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That's loser talk.
cpp_is_king
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For some people, a lack of confidence in the entire political system is the principle.
He's quoting the exit polling.
Just quoting the exit polls. Everyone?
vicissitudes
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Is that true? What a lame rule.
Florida briefly going blue in 2000 was highly amusing.
Berned out.
Prodigal Son
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imo PoliGAF is a mess.
*swipes mic*
That surprised me, too. But thinking about it, it makes sense.
I've said before that I think that black voters are probably the Democrats most cynical voting block. And after 7 years of Republicans obstructing hope and change with Obama, black people probably aren't going to fall in line with another Hope and Change candidate so easily. Keeping the white house is a defensive move here.
So you have Bernie Sanders, promising all sorts of fantastical things but remaining somewhat mum on the details. Lumping all criticism of his figures even by prominent and progressive economists as being part of the "Establishment" or, worse, paid off by Hillary. And swearing he's going to fight for black lives but not even bothering to fight for our vote.
I'm not surprised that some are starting to find him to be a bit dishonest.
Those exit polls look like great news for Hillary, not so much for Bernie, Income inequality only at 20%.
User 463088
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Yes. It's from early exit polling.
It also has the racial make up of the SC electorate at
AA 61
White 35
Latino 2
It was 55/43 AA/white in 2008.
Dash_Riprock
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I love Bernie supporters are already making excuses. "Anything less than 25% means uh-oh for Hillary!"
SMH
SMH
I hope it's larger than her New Hampshire loss just for salt in the wound
That honest thing is the pragmatism I believe. Not believing Sanders can make what he's promising possible. Especially how he's saying it. While Clinton isn't doing that and offering more "possible vs "idealistic". People believe Hillary when she makes her promises because people think they're actually possible. Where as they don't with Bernie and therefore think he's being dishonest about what he's promising and think he's just doing it to get support.
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Get rid of the 2 and just make it 5% and I would agree
This is exactly my issue with Bernie, but I don't know if it's dishonesty or overzealous idealism. Either way, it won't produce results.
Aaronology
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To be fair, I also don't find a politician who props up his campaign with unrealistic promises very honest. Sanders is taking advantage of the gullibility and naivete of a lot of (particularly young) people who don't seem to be invested in understanding the political process in the United States of America. And there is no way he can't know he is doing this, even if his heart and goals are noble.
Nevermind his passive aggressive attacks on groups and people who disagree with him while gleefully employing "establishment" as a new hip smear word.
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Exactly!
Even as someone who is voting for him I've grown increasingly tired of this as his campaigns gone. I feel like he's just ramping up the rhetoric about his revolution and promises to an absurd degree that he knows will never happen.
The Technomancer
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Oof
It's looking very bad for him, yes.
This is me, and I'm actually a gen-Xer, not a millennial. If trump wasn't a racist scumbag, I would seriously consider voting for him over hillary, just for a chance to blow up the GOP.
I just want to bern it all down and start over. Fuck the two party system.
Anyway, looks like Hillary's got this tonight. Big time.
Yup. It's all about the unicorns. He's doing the liberal version of Trump's shtick- populism, protectionism, blame it all on an economic boogeyman. (Wall St instead of Immigrants)
The Technomancer
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I think its more of the latter, but I do also think there's a bit of willful...ignorance isn't the right word. Like, Bernie never expected his campaign to get this far so he's sort of deliberately avoiding his gaze from the whole "maybe we shouldn't be running a full on presidential bid on the exact same rhetoric we used to get started" thing
Agent_Carnage
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It is. Hes going to get killed on Tuesday and that will snowball to the 15th.
I agree some are being a little too confident, but it certainly isn't laughable. The numbers are on her side.
Grover Cleveland
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The end for Bernie was Nevada. It's just a matter of margin now.
And I say that as a black man who's going to vote for Bernie Sanders in my state's primary
User 463088
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It's not the end.
It's the beginning of the end. Most of Super Tuesday looks more like SC than it does Vermont or Iowa. He's being blown out in most Super Tuesday states by 20-30 points. The states where he has the best chance of winning are either slightly Hillary leads (Mass) or unknown caucus situations (Colorado and Oklahoma.) Florida, Ohio and Michigan are looking to be big Hillary wins as well.
So, if there is a path you can come up with in which Bernie can overcome a 100 delegate disadvantage, I'd be interested to take a look. I just don't see it.
That's just wishful thinking. He's going to rack up some losses, sure, but then he'll have his own states he'll pull through with. And there's lots that can happen in between.
It's not like anyone is saying bernie will drop out tomorrow but tell me how he wins a diverse state with these numbers?
and this is the state he tried in. he is skipping most of the super tuesday states
cpp_is_king
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Same. Except i may still vote for Trump anyway. I think he speaks and acts in extremes to project a hardline image and set expectations, and then when he sits down to negotiate something he dials back to make the other side feel like he's compromising. So they feel like they've made him budge and gained the upper hand, when he never really wanted that extreme of a result to begin with.
Aaronology
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A little of both? Bernie isn't an idiot and he has been in politics longer than I have been on this earth. He knows he can't deliver on what he's asking his supporters to back him for. However, I do believe he thinks he is bringing attention to issues that legitimately need a spotlight shined on them and this election cycle is his way of gaining a platform that reaches beyond his Vermont. I can't hate him for that, and he's right on so much.
He just has unfortunate timing.
Dash_Riprock
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Everything I've read about Bernie's campaign suggests a slapdash, amateur effort (call it grassroots if you want) that no one expected to get this far.
As I said in another thread his staff all seem to have heart, but not much else, certainly not experience.
Same thing as with Trump- he's an outsider trying to hijack a nomination (at a certain point I think he started believing his own hype) and as such he doesn't really feel any responsibility to the larger whole in terms of not burning the house down.
And the ones with experience are perennial losers.
He's already basically lost after Tuesday.
He has no path forward to get the delegates needed.
There's not though. He'd need to win everything after the 15th, including Hillary's home state of New York, to get the nomination if the current polling holds and that is not going to happen.
Officerrob
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These states he might win will be close and have few delegates. Those don't matter when you get blown out in the states with the large delegates
Ziltoidia 9
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Lower turn out on dem side does worry me tho, for the GE. But hopefully they will able to get the party fired up this fall. Obama will campaign too, so that will help.
User 463088
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Remember, it's not just about winning. You don't get 10 delegates for winning a state. Everything is proportional.
If Hillary wins big in Texas, for example, there are 222 delegates. She gets 60% of them, she nets 133. Bernie would be lucky to get 88. Show me, on the map, where he makes up these huge delegate loses.
If he wins Mass by 5 points, it's essentially a delegate split. For him to have a chance if he gets blown out tonight and Super Tuesday, there need to be states where he can blow her out as well, not just do "okay." I don't see those states.
If Hillary wins big in Texas, for example, there are 222 delegates. She gets 60% of them, she nets 133. Bernie would be lucky to get 88. Show me, on the map, where he makes up these huge delegate loses.
If he wins Mass by 5 points, it's essentially a delegate split. For him to have a chance if he gets blown out tonight and Super Tuesday, there need to be states where he can blow her out as well, not just do "okay." I don't see those states.
You're right. That's next Tuesday.
I wouldn't worry too much at this point. The GOP also has their fair share of worries ahead.
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