not me. still voting for bernie later on this year..even if he's not the nominee.
Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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not me. still voting for bernie later on this year..even if he's not the nominee.
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Yep
I seriously hope this strategy isn't employed in 2020 and 2024 as millenials become THE voting force of the USA. Some Bernie supporters certainly deserve the mocking, though.
If it comes to it I'll vote Hill, not cause I want to, but because it's what I HAVE to do...
He's got 17 votes, actually. And none for Trump it seems.
It cost them the House and Senate. If Sanders pushed for what he wants (much of which I sympathize with) while in office, it would have a similar effect in 2020, along with losing the whitehouse, and he probably would have nothing to show for it because even Democrats would see the writing on wall and not unanimously support his plans.
FunkyMunkey
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save yourself the gas and stay home, same thing
BennyBlanco
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Unless you live in a swing state, it doesn't really matter.
ClayKavalier
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God. Damn.
I really hope we get an account some day of what's going on behind the scenes at the GOP right now.
He seems unwilling to to contort himself to appeal to every demographic in the party.
This is a foolish thing for someone who aims to win the nomination to do.
It is extremely admirable in the fact that all the positions he does take are those he genuinely believes in. Less bullshit in the long run.
In short, he is perfect for pretty much every position in government except president.
A large dollop of guile is a requirement for the job.
Fuck
Colonel Mustard
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Just vote for Jill Stein and cast for Dems down ticket.
metalslimer
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His campaign barely even tried to address its huge issues with minority voters and just ran to the states where he was doing decently.
Slackerish
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Why would you ever want someone not to vote? Everyone should vote, even through they may be not voting for you candidate.
vicissitudes
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This is a more bigoted view than anything Trump has said.
Hillary supporters: "If you don't vote for Hillary in the general then you are an idiot. You are young and clueless. You're ignorant. You're racist. You don't care about America. You know nothing about politics."
Have you considered the possibility that some people just plain don't like her?
Alaska is tied for his best result tonight in a state primary or caucus right now.
andthebeatgoeson
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Ether.
metalslimer
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I don't give a damn if they don't like her. Voting for trump instead shows a level of ignorance that doesn't even deserve addressing. But yes somehow explaining that voting for trump goes against everything Bernie sanders would wanted is worse than the guy that said lets kill terrorist families. Give me a break.
The fact that he won something is probably more than was expected. He's hoping for a brokered convention at this point so he's trying his best to keep getting funding so he can stay in the race until then.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I think they deserve to be called out because I think they are wrong, but I disagree with something fundamental here.
It is NOT about privilege. It is not. Millennials are the first generation of Americans that will do worse than their parents in a very long time. They are DROWNING in student debt. The jobs are not paying enough. They cant buy houses. They cant have kids without it ruining their lives. Blue collar Democrats are in a similar position. Underemployed, no careers. All the wealth going upward.
This is what white Hillary supporters (which are generally richer) dont get. People are fucking DESPERATE FOR CHANGE because the current situation is NOT working for them. Hillary is basically campaigning as continuing the past 8 year of the rich still getting richer plus a sprinkling of slow, 5% change.
It is the people that can tolerate, slow 5% change while everyone else gets fucked that are the privileged ones.
Again, I don't agree with these people, but I understand them. For Hillary supporters it is a complete whoosh. How about you listen and try to understand why someone would prefer Trump over Hillary and try to address it instead of dismiss it?
look at this shit. Exactly what I said!!! ^
But for Rubio coming in third is about the same as coming in first.
THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE
Prodigal Son
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This shit again. Condemn their actions but please remove this racial framework. Sanders polling better with liberal whites doesn't mean all Bernie supporters are fucking white-people. Jesus Christ.
That is the thing, what exactly was he supposed to do?
He started the race very far behind Clinton when it came to minorities, he was pretty much doomed from the onset.
There is very little that he could have done to close that gap. Especially since he was selling a theoretical, while Clinton was an essential certainty.
If there are Bernie supporters willing to switch from Bernie to trump then they must think your views align more with trump then Hillary.
That's problematic.
Or they just want an "outsider" and don't actually care much about substantive issues.
Or they just want to vote as a protest about how they didn't get their way.
All of these are really problematic traits.
That's problematic.
Or they just want an "outsider" and don't actually care much about substantive issues.
Or they just want to vote as a protest about how they didn't get their way.
All of these are really problematic traits.
excelsiorlef
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Why? What does that achieve?
DeviantBoi
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And you would vote for someone that is the polar opposite of Sanders just to spite Hillary?
Yeah, that'll teach her. Fuck the country as long as you show Hillary that you don't like her.
boiled goose
good with gravy
It is so so fucking frustrating. This condescension. They simply dont get it. The inability for some of these Hillary supporters on GAF to see the world from someone else's point of of view is stunning.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Things could not have gone better. Trump wins for the most part, Cruz finds new life, Rubio clings to his one win as some sign of hope, Kasich didn't do totally terribly. No one drops out.
...seriously? Either you haven't been paying attention, or you badly need to rethink your conception of bigotry.
Trump's lead has narrowed with 25% reporting, and Rubio may be in danger of falling beneath 13% threshold:
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alaska
Colonel Mustard
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Downticket votes that will have a greater impact on his life anyway.
Good Job Bob
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Christie looks absolutely miserable.
Are all the Republicans who suck it up and get behind Trump in the general going to appear that dead inside as well?
Are all the Republicans who suck it up and get behind Trump in the general going to appear that dead inside as well?
I know it's popular to say that GAF isn't a hive mind, but there's definitely a kind of groupthink or consolidation of opinions that takes place. It's why people are able to say that GAF is very liberal. There's more opposition when voicing conservative opinion that pushes those people away from political discussions. Similarly, it's easier to voice a liberal opinion and meet agreement so those people are encouraged to participate more. Over time you get these groups which each circle around a single predominant narrative. For example, we have BernGAF and HillGAF as people like to say. There's definitely a tone that each group has, and a particular set of talking points that resonates within each group, giving the group an identity beyond the sum of the individual members.
As you mentioned, I think the big reason that there's a hostility to Bernie's campaign is because people care a lot about winning. People who follow the political process on a regular basis probably do so because they have some interest in the horse race. Bernie is an obstacle to winning, clear and simple. This is the argument that gets repeated frequently, that Hillary is the better choice because she's more electable. It ignores that politics happens on a social level as well, outside of seats in government.
I don't actually think Bernie Sanders would make a very good President. He, like Elizabeth Warren, is an ideologue with a narrow view of how the world works. He probably wouldn't do well in a position of power when reality tends to deviate from expectations. Much like the Republicans (and GAF), he tends to try to fit reality into a preconceived ideological framework. I'll get nervous if these are the only voices we get on these issues, but this isn't the predominant criticism of Sanders.
I'm rooting for his candidacy because his success, even if he doesn't win, is able to bring change to the political discourse and the Democratic party. This is where I'm somewhat disappointed, that others seem to be so hostile to his movement when I feel they should be glad that he's able to do so well. And that's where I start to suspect that some aren't as on-board with socialism as they would like to believe.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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So they like Trump better? Not smart
Yes, we already knew that the new crowd of voters Bernie's campaign is attracting is generally apathetic towards politics. Now that they've finally found a candidate that engages them, a vocal portion of Hillary supporters are actively talking down to them for being delusional, immature kiddies.
eBay Huckster
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Supers are approximately the same that they were yesterday (something like 460 to 20).
Pledged margin is now approximately 200.
Please vote down ticket races.
Yup, this is what I thought the result would look like.
It doesn't matter if they call everyone unreasonable - it matters whether the electorate believes it. With Sanders, that case would be much easier to make given his radical policies.
FunkyMunkey
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because "sending a message" doesn't mean a thing if it allows the gop to take the presidency. a sanders clone's time will come and very soon most likely (the next decade) but the democrats need to retake a solid foundation before that can happen. the path towards a progressive upswing (more than hillary) needs to be built
when sanders eventually concedes and puts his support behind hillary, he's acknowledging this
we call these people trolls or misinformed/unintelligent voters. they deserve ridicule but should not ultimately take up a single lit neuron for anyone who takes politics even remotely serious
boiled goose
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It is not about stated views or teaching her a lesson. Read my post above. It is about someone backed into a corner with two options. One option you know what you get. The other is a gamble. You cant afford to not gamble.
Prodigal Son
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It's becoming ridiculous. I can't even say he overperformed the polls without HillaryGAF rushing in to aggressively emphasize that it doesn't matter (even if I've never claimed it does).
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